Is Concentrated Dominance Overrated ? Are weeks at 1 really a significant stat ?

Amitabh_Tennis

New User
I feel weeks at 1 is a very overrated stat.

Hewitt with 80 weeks and Murray with 40 weeks have more weeks at 1 than Boris Becker who has just 12 and never ended the year as 1 while Hewitt did twice and Murray did once, does that make them better players than Boom Boom? Absolutely no, Boris is in a higher tier than both of them - Period !

Assuming 2 players have won 4 slams in their career, one of them won all 4 in an year and another won 1 slam for 4 years, both of them should be equally great because if you can win 4 in an year then why can't you win more after that ? Did you win in a vacuum ? Such questions might come, so concentrated dominance is actually a direct indicator of weak eras. A normal athlete is supposed to win some, then have injuries, then come back and win more, thats how Sampras and Nadal won their titles, even Novak (though he has some concentrated dominance on his resume) also won his titles. Same for Serena, she too won like that.

Nadal has a 16 years and 7 Months gap between his 1st and last grand slam title, this is the biggest margin in ATP and the second highest of all time behind the legendary Serena Williams (17-18 years gap between 1st and last) who is the colossus of our era. So Nadal's 21 slams should logically put him ahead of Federer's 20 despite Federer having 237 weeks at 1 and overall 310. At this point even Nole's 365 weeks at 1 with 20 slams is not greater than Nadal's 21, now whether Nadal's 0 WTFs (while Fed has 6 and Nole has 5) nullified his 1 slam advantage ? Maybe it does, but that still doesn't prove that concentrated dominace in not overrated. A guy who can win 12 slams in 4-5 years should win 15 more after that (in the next 10 years of his off peak) since he is that great and has an insane peak level, so what happened to his off peak level ?


So what are your thoughts ? Will concentrated dominance compensate for wininng in bits and pieces ? I think no.
 

ADuck

Legend
Having more concentrated dominance is preferable in my opinion. Doing the same thing as someone else but in a shorter period of time is always more impressive. But if you don't end up achieving the same, it doesn't elevate you above the other person.
 

Amitabh_Tennis

New User
Having more concentrated dominance is preferable in my opinion. Doing the same thing as someone else but in a shorter period of time is always more impressive. But if you don't end up achieving the same, it doesn't elevate you above the other person.


Concentrated dominance is always because of weak eras/transitional phases, whatever you call it.

Fed's 04-07 was a result of no ATG rival being born for 15 years between Sampras and Rafael Nadal
Borg's dominance (the channel slams are very impressive) was because of the absence of a genuine grass court serve and volleyer like Mcenroe in the 70s, if Mac was of the same age as Borg then Borg would have half the wimbledons that he had.
Steffi Graf's concentrated dominance in mid 90s was a result of Seles being taken out by a lunatic.

Short spans of dominance are always because of lack of suitable rivals.
 

Amitabh_Tennis

New User
Weeks at #1 is the most GOAT stat there is. It shows dominance over the tour.

Hewitt - 80 weeks at 1
Murray - 40 weeks at 1
Becker - 12 weeks at 1

Becker has more slams than Hewitt+Murray combined.

Rafael Nadal is as worthy a GOAT candidate as Djokovic or Federer, the weeks at 1 stat should not fool us.
 

Phoenix*

Professional
Hewitt - 80 weeks at 1
Murray - 40 weeks at 1
Becker - 12 weeks at 1

Becker has more slams than Hewitt+Murray combined.

Rafael Nadal is as worthy a GOAT candidate as Djokovic or Federer, the weeks at 1 stat should not fool us.
No he's not worthy because he can't dominate the tour outside of a minor surface. That's why 2/3 of his slams are at 1 event and he can't ramp up weeks at #1.

Yes, he's an atg outside clay too but his goat rival gatekept him.

Yes absolutely love how our current world number is dominating the tour. I am out of words for the dominance he has shown. I mean being 2-2 for the whole year is not an easy task.
I didn't realize tennis was only played since 2022. My bad.
 

Amitabh_Tennis

New User
No he's not worthy because he can't dominate the tour outside of a minor surface. That's why 2/3 of his slams are at 1 event and he can't ramp up weeks at #1.

Yes, he's an atg outside clay too but his goat rival gatekept him.


I didn't realize tennis was only played since 2022. My bad.


If he was so average outside clay then why does he have 5 year end 1s which is same as the number of year end 1s as Federer has ?

He is not that bad, isn't it ?

If he ends this year as 1 then he moves ahead of Fed in YE1s leveling Sampras and 1 below Nole.
 
B

Beerus

Guest
The time spent at #1 is the 2nd most important metric in tennis.

Agreed upon by all objective tennis observers.
 

Phoenix*

Professional
If he was so average outside clay then why does he have 5 year end 1s which is same as the number of year end 1s as Federer has ?

He is not that bad, isn't it ?

If he ends this year as 1 then he moves ahead of Fed in YE1s leveling Sampras and 1 below Nole.
He's an ATG outside clay. Also this year is asterisked, his last "slam" too.

He competed directly with Djokovic and came short on 2 surfaces and at time being #1. Objectively not the greatest.
 
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ChaelAZ

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travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I feel weeks at 1 is a very overrated stat.

Hewitt with 80 weeks and Murray with 40 weeks have more weeks at 1 than Boris Becker who has just 12 and never ended the year as 1 while Hewitt did twice and Murray did once, does that make them better players than Boom Boom? Absolutely no, Boris is in a higher tier than both of them - Period !

Assuming 2 players have won 4 slams in their career, one of them won all 4 in an year and another won 1 slam for 4 years, both of them should be equally great because if you can win 4 in an year then why can't you win more after that ? Did you win in a vacuum ? Such questions might come, so concentrated dominance is actually a direct indicator of weak eras. A normal athlete is supposed to win some, then have injuries, then come back and win more, thats how Sampras and Nadal won their titles, even Novak (though he has some concentrated dominance on his resume) also won his titles. Same for Serena, she too won like that.

Nadal has a 16 years and 7 Months gap between his 1st and last grand slam title, this is the biggest margin in ATP and the second highest of all time behind the legendary Serena Williams (17-18 years gap between 1st and last) who is the colossus of our era. So Nadal's 21 slams should logically put him ahead of Federer's 20 despite Federer having 237 weeks at 1 and overall 310. At this point even Nole's 365 weeks at 1 with 20 slams is not greater than Nadal's 21, now whether Nadal's 0 WTFs (while Fed has 6 and Nole has 5) nullified his 1 slam advantage ? Maybe it does, but that still doesn't prove that concentrated dominace in not overrated. A guy who can win 12 slams in 4-5 years should win 15 more after that (in the next 10 years of his off peak) since he is that great and has an insane peak level, so what happened to his off peak level ?


So what are your thoughts ? Will concentrated dominance compensate for wininng in bits and pieces ? I think no.
I stopped reading after the thoughts on Boris. He has removed himself from his tier by later revealing he lacked the mental capacity to be a sustained World #1.
 
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