xtremerunnerars
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All this talk about sweeteners and phenylalanine hydroxylase is messing with my head. Come on guys, that was first nine weeks of bio and I passed the class!
Is Muscle Milk bad for you?
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xtremerunnerars
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CC (5 oz) has 100 Calories (kcals), 17.5g protein, 5g carbs, and 1.3g fat.
So it's good for you and is a solid protein source, but the quality in terms of availability and isolation is not up to par with whey isolates. On top of that, I don't think you want to be wolfing down cottage cheese after a grueling workout!
So it's good for you and is a solid protein source, but the quality in terms of availability and isolation is not up to par with whey isolates. On top of that, I don't think you want to be wolfing down cottage cheese after a grueling workout!
zapvor
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thank you. i am gonna try it.
zapvor
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Ano
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Zapvor, there is an alternative that might be cheaper than Muscle Milk.
Mix 1 scoop of Optimum Nutrition Whey Protein Isolate Gold Standard, 1 tablespoon of flax seed oil, fruit (banana) and water in the blender.
Do the math, I think the alternative I gave you is a bit cheaper than 1 serving of Muscle Milk.
And don't forget, beside supplement, you have to eat wholesome foods (rice, potato, fruits, veggies, lean meat etc.). Try to eat 3 meals of foods, and 3 meals of protein/fruit/oil shakes a day.
Use supplement as suplement. Don't use supplement as your main source
of nutrients.
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Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Wish almond flavoured tofu would provide the protein, yummie w/pineapple
stormholloway
Legend
You lost some credibility with this statement. Aspartame is an absolute poison. Do you think because the FDA approved it that it's safe? If it weren't for Donald Rumsfeld's government connections at the time (he worked for GD Searle, the company now owned by Monsanto of "NutraSweet" fame), aspartame may not have stood a chance at approval.
Just because the government approves something does not make it good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy
Scroll down to Ramazzini Foundation on that page to get an overview of one of the studies of aspartame use. The group that refuted this study was being funded by sweetener manufacturers.
Keep in mind that this chemical, aspartame, is relatively new to our planet, and that not all of its effects are known.
My point is: if it causes tumors in rats, why would you put it in your body?
xtremerunnerars
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You're talking about someone's credibility and you post a link from wikipedia?
The reality is ANYTHING in excess is bad for you and like Ano says all the time it's all about balance. If you want to have a diet Coke fine, your not gonna get a tumor and die...... 10 diet cokes a day? Probably not so good. Of course 10 Coke Classics a day also not so good unless you like going blind and getting diabeties.
Personally I've been trying to steer away from anything processed or containing chemicals that I can't pronounce. That being said I don't obsess, and I'm not gonna go broke spending 500$/month on organic everything.
It's like this protein shake thing, If I had a personel chef to cook my breakfeast, and he made nice snacks, salads and lunch then I wouldn't use protein shakes. But if it's between running and getting an egg mcmuffin, or throwing some protein powder into a shaker, It's a much better alternative.
+++ and guys if you are tired of salads Try making your on Taboulie, taste awesome, and you can make a bunch and it'll last a whole week.
Personally I've been trying to steer away from anything processed or containing chemicals that I can't pronounce. That being said I don't obsess, and I'm not gonna go broke spending 500$/month on organic everything.
It's like this protein shake thing, If I had a personel chef to cook my breakfeast, and he made nice snacks, salads and lunch then I wouldn't use protein shakes. But if it's between running and getting an egg mcmuffin, or throwing some protein powder into a shaker, It's a much better alternative.
+++ and guys if you are tired of salads Try making your on Taboulie, taste awesome, and you can make a bunch and it'll last a whole week.
stormholloway
Legend
I sure did. Maybe you should read what I post:
The study itself is readily available to anyone. It's pretty well known. Wikipedia is still a good resource for information because if you challenge anything you can look more deeply. If you think the Ramazzini study didn't take place, then a quick google of it will show otherwise.
Ano
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Wow, it's really a big deal if I lost credibility with that statement, right?
Anyway, my opinion about aspartame still stand at this moment, even though that might hurt my credibility. (wink)
Bleh. I drink musclemilk all the time and I am perfectly healthy. It tastes good and I say it's alot better for you then eating crap from Taco Bell or whatever. Something like Salmon of course is much better for you but I think MM is a nice alternative for alot of people.
As for artficial sweetners - you can buy muscle milk with Stevia which is "natural" not that that makes any difference.
pete
As for artficial sweetners - you can buy muscle milk with Stevia which is "natural" not that that makes any difference.
pete
stormholloway
Legend
Wow, it's really a big deal if I lost credibility with that statement, right?
Anyway, my opinion about aspartame still stand at this moment, even though that might hurt my credibility. (wink)
I didn't say that to manufacture some attack against you, because I actually respect you quite a bit as a trainer and nutritionist. You're very knowledgable.
My point was that I feel very strongly about this subject and wish you would reconsider your position.
Why artificially sweeten when nature provides plenty of sweetness on her own?
Edit: as an addition, I highly recommend Stevia, which is natural, sweet, and provides fiber.
Ano
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I didn't consider your words as an attack, that's why I put a smilie in my reply.
Let me clarify thing, I am NOT a nutritionist or Registered Dietitian. Right now I consider my self as a part time fitness/nutrition consultant. My main job is a banker. My degree is in Economy.
Perhaps someday I would reconsider my position on artificial sweetener, but I doubt it, because as a full time Banker now, I have limited time to read medical / scientific journals.
The reason to use artificial sweetners of course is that extra sugar is a really bad for you. You can prattle on about how "unsafe" artificial sweetners are but REAL sweetners are PROVEN to cause a host of medical problems like obesity, diabetes - and many would say premature aging.
That being said as I said before MM is the last thing to attack - since they make their "natural" line with Stevia.
http://www.amazon.com/CytoSport-Naturals-Muscle-Natural-Chocolate/dp/B000G71A1U
See? We can bring peace to message boards.
Pete
That being said as I said before MM is the last thing to attack - since they make their "natural" line with Stevia.
http://www.amazon.com/CytoSport-Naturals-Muscle-Natural-Chocolate/dp/B000G71A1U
See? We can bring peace to message boards.
Pete
stormholloway
Legend
What do you mean when you say "extra" sugar? Doesn't this imply that some normal amount has been exceeded? Too much of anything is bad for you, even water, but sugar in its natural state is perfectly safe. Artificial sweeteners are not natural. That's why they call them artificial. Humans are built to run in harmony with nature. Creating chemicals to simulate sweetness is totally counterintuitive.
And I would venture to say people that get diabetes are eating refined sugars and corn syrups, not raw cane sugars. If you know anyone that only consumes raw sugars from fruits or cane and got diabetes, let me know.
As for the Muscle Milk Natural... I'm sold! Looks really good actually.
And I would venture to say people that get diabetes are eating refined sugars and corn syrups, not raw cane sugars. If you know anyone that only consumes raw sugars from fruits or cane and got diabetes, let me know.
As for the Muscle Milk Natural... I'm sold! Looks really good actually.
Not really. Just because we CAN consume sugar doesn't mean it's perfectly safe or we are "built" to run on it. Our body has a limited ability to cope with alcohol and likewise large amounts of simple sugars or even simple carbs (like bread) are quite troublesome.
Yes it's UNLIKELY to get diabetes from raw fruits - but you could certainly get it from large amount of something very sweet and natural like orange juice.
The large amount of "natural" sugars that would be needed to make something as sweet as musclemilk is would hammer the bodies ability to deal with sugar - leading to high blood sugar levels with cause a host of negative effects including - premature aging, free radical formation, diabetes and obesity.
MM did the smart thing and replaced that unhealthy sugar with substances that wouldn't boost your blood sugar level. You might believe Sucarlose is "deadly" because it's not natural but I don't. And there is a TON of documented evidence as to the damages caused by high blood sugar levels.
To eat truly heatlhy you should strive to lower not only your cane sugar intake but also your simple carb intake..It's hard to do as most of that stuff tastes good. As for fruits - the anti-oxidants fiber and vitamins they contain offset SOME of the damage done by the sugars. But if you want to get technical quite a few vegetables are often better for you.
And BTW did you know foxglove is "natural" try eating some of that and get back to me on how great natural is compared to artificial...
Pete
stormholloway
Legend
Funny, you talk about the possibility of orange juice causing diabetes, but then blindly accept the safety of Sucralose, a brand new chemical invention. It's simply twisted thinking. Oranges have been tested. They pass the test. Sucralose is brand new, and hasn't been around long enough for us to know enough about.
Did I say everything that was natural was good? Snake venom is natural too.
Again, you can die of drinking too much water, but Sucralose and Aspartame are poisons. There's a big difference here.
Did I say everything that was natural was good? Snake venom is natural too.
Again, you can die of drinking too much water, but Sucralose and Aspartame are poisons. There's a big difference here.
I can't beleive you think artificial sugar is better than real sugar
Well what I'm am about to say is that I'm assuming your taking Muscle Milk as a meal replacement generally. Tennis players really don't take supplements to get buff. They may take it to get bigger and stronger, but like for a body builder is what I'm trying to say. Their is plenty of things you can do. I had the same question which is how I came of course this article. As I have read, Too much of anything is bad. So I say guess take Muscle Milk, but not too much. I can see it MM having some kind of problem for anyone 5-10 years down the road. You can do other things to replace maybe half a serving of MM. Make it a regular thing to eat bananas, apples, or drink regular milk, and then take only half a serving of milk. (like every day at 3pm eat an apple) Get like Borden Hi-Protein Milk. I am only a 17 yr old high school student, so this is just my own opinion with information I know. I have been told Cretin (the ingredient not the supplement) is bad for you, and I think that is the same ingredient I have been told that slows your reaction time. Taking the natural sweeten muscle milk sounds better than the artificial, but I don't believe it will be life threatening either way.
Hope I was Able to help.
Hope I was Able to help.
beamjayman
New User
That's why it gives me gas! Now I've figured it out haha
They have been tested? What study has tested the effects of massive amounts of orange juice? Our diet has changed alot since our caveman days.
The human body wasn't meant to cope with the massive amounts of sugar we can now easily ingest in the form of juices or sodas..
This "natural" = good crap is ruining alot of peoples health. Pasta and Bread are both delicious and regarded as natural but they both spike blood sugar levels and can lead to diabetes.
Pete
coachdavidh
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We use quite a bit of the collegiate version of muscle milk at the U of Minnesota. I think it is pretty decent stuff, especially for the athletes who have poor nutrition habits.
