Kick Serve Racket Drop

Dan R

Professional
I'm struggling with my kick serve after making some changes to my motion. The changes have to do with making the swing more relaxed and less tense, and have produced dramatic improvement in my flat serve. Way way more power. Now my racket drop is lower, loser, and the racket drifts off to the right (I'm right handed) at the bottom of the drop more than before. I'm coming up more on edge and on the right side of the ball and I can nicely pronate back to the left and through the ball. All good things. As my regular playing partner yesterday said "What the F is up with your serve?" But I could only hit a flat serve or slice. I couldn't hit my kick serve that way.

On the kick serve it's not working because the racket is too far to the right at the bottom of the drop, and I couldn't get the racket back over to the left side of the ball to hit from 7 to 1 or 8 to 2 like a normal kick serve. Especially, given that the ball toss is usually a little more to the left, which puts the racket even further to the right of the ball than on a flat serve. I feel like I had to cut the drop shot before the racket got too far to the right, which defeats a lot of the purpose of the lose drop. I found the video below that has a good side by side comparison of a kick and and flat serve. It looks to me like he's bending at the elbow more on the drop to get the racket more to the left. Is that the right adjustment? In general, is there a difference in the racket drop? How should I go about solving the problem?



I understand that keeping the shoulders closed helps you hit on the left side of the ball, but just closing the shoulders to get on the left side of the ball pushes the swing path too far to the right. There has to be some other adjustment, right?
 

PKorda

Professional
Have been thinking about differences in the racket drop between the flat and the kick serve, is this something people focus on? Seems like this would be the starting point to getting the right swingpath?
 

Dragy

Legend
Have been thinking about differences in the racket drop between the flat and the kick serve, is this something people focus on? Seems like this would be the starting point to getting the right swingpath?
It’s all about where and how you launch your body: more vertical+tilted forward and some opening of the chest forward for flat and slice
more tilted back and staying closed for kick serve:
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ballmachineguy

Hall of Fame
FYI, you don’t turn the shoulders when you serve. Where you direct your racquet will pull the shoulder of the arm holding the racquet which turns your upper body. Same with ground strokes.

OP, if your racquet gets too far to the right (assuming I am understanding you correctly), maybe you are turning your shoulders (opening up) before swinging at the ball.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I'm struggling with my kick serve after making some changes to my motion. The changes have to do with making the swing more relaxed and less tense, and have produced dramatic improvement in my flat serve. Way way more power. Now my racket drop is lower, loser, and the racket drifts off to the right (I'm right handed) at the bottom of the drop more than before. I'm coming up more on edge and on the right side of the ball and I can nicely pronate back to the left and through the ball. All good things. As my regular playing partner yesterday said "What the F is up with your serve?" But I could only hit a flat serve or slice. I couldn't hit my kick serve that way.

On the kick serve it's not working because the racket is too far to the right at the bottom of the drop, and I couldn't get the racket back over to the left side of the ball to hit from 7 to 1 or 8 to 2 like a normal kick serve. Especially, given that the ball toss is usually a little more to the left, which puts the racket even further to the right of the ball than on a flat serve. I feel like I had to cut the drop shot before the racket got too far to the right, which defeats a lot of the purpose of the lose drop. I found the video below that has a good side by side comparison of a kick and and flat serve. It looks to me like he's bending at the elbow more on the drop to get the racket more to the left. Is that the right adjustment? In general, is there a difference in the racket drop? How should I go about solving the problem?



I understand that keeping the shoulders closed helps you hit on the left side of the ball, but just closing the shoulders to get on the left side of the ball pushes the swing path too far to the right. There has to be some other adjustment, right?
Imho you will need to turn more ao that the chest is pointing to the back fence or at least the corner of the back fence and sidefence. That should fix it if I understand. Watch edberg
 

PKorda

Professional
Let me ask this, is it correct to bring the racket drop down on the right side of the body on the flat serve and closer to left side of the body on the kick serve? (assume right handed server)
 

Dragy

Legend
Let me ask this, is it correct to bring the racket drop down on the right side of the body on the flat serve and closer to left side of the body on the kick serve? (assume right handed server)
Here's kick serve drop my Domi
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