LeBron vs Curry- who is the best player in the world today

On the eve of an exciting finals match up I think it is as good a time as any to ask this question. Obviously nobody argues Curry deserving his last 2 MVP awards with the stats he produced and how he led his team. However who is the best player in the world is much more debated. Many still think it is Lebron. I probably wont give my opinion since I have been a Curry fan for awhile so am biased. What is your opinion on the subject? I am sure @125downthemiddle will be in this thread at some point as well. :)
 
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On the eve of an exciting finals match up I think it is as good a time as any to ask this question. Obviously nobody argues Curry deserving his last 2 MVP awards with the stats he produced and how he led his team. However who is the best player in the world is much more debated. Many still think it is Lebron. I probably wont give my opinion since I have been a Curry fan for awhile so am biased. What is your opinion on the subject? I am sure @125downthemiddle will be in this thread at some point as well. :)

Steph Curry is the best now. Offensively, he might legitamitely be the best ever. No, that is not a misprint. His defense is serviceable enough, that I think he is the most valuable/best overall right now. (Similar to Novak being the best overall, and his net game not being great but serviceable enough that he's still the best overall)

Another thing to consider is that both are probably all time greats who will be comparable at the end of their careers.

Steph is right at the heart of his absolute prime at 28, Lebron is at the tail end of his at 31.
 
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Steph Curry is the best now. Offensively, he might legitamitely be the best ever. No, that is not a misprint. His defense is serviceable enough, that I think he is the most valuable/best overall right now. (Similar to Novak being the best overall, and his net game not being great but serviceable enough that he's still the best overall)

Another thing to consider is that both are probably all time greats who will be comparable at the end of their careers.

Steph is right at the heart of his absolute prime at 28, Lebron is at the tail end of his at 31.

I could be a bit biased though, I'm a great shooter and around Steph's size, so he inspires me. Of course, I have like 1/1000th of his talent, but it's cool to see a normal sized guy dominating the league.
 
Steph Curry is the best now. Offensively, he might legitamitely be the best ever. No, that is not a misprint. His defense is serviceable enough, that I think he is the most valuable/best overall right now. (Similar to Novak being the best overall, and his net game not being great but serviceable enough that he's still the best overall)

Another thing to consider is that both are probably all time greats who will be comparable at the end of their careers.

Steph is right at the heart of his absolute prime at 28, Lebron is at the tail end of his at 31.

I do remember about 5 years ago many thought Lebron would eclipse Jordan. As great as he has been, I think is doubtful at this point if that will ever happen (already at the tail end of his absolute prime as you say).

I agree with your assessment btw. Curry's shooting and offensive prowess right now is amazing and it makes him the best player currently I believe. I do agree offensively he is right up at the very top all time.
 
I could be a bit biased though, I'm a great shooter and around Steph's size, so he inspires me. Of course, I have like 1/1000th of his talent, but it's cool to see a normal sized guy dominating the league.

Were you ever a basketball player? I dont recall you saying you were, but you were athletic and did a few sports. I know you said you played tennis.
 
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I still think LeBron is the slightly better overall player, and Steph is my fave player ever - I find him more fun to watch than MJ or Iverson or Kobe or anyone else. I just paid good money to watch the finals via NBA TV, so it had better be good.
 
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Were you ever a basketball player? I dont recall you saying you were, but you were athletic and did a few sports. I know you said you played tennis.

Not on a serious level, just dabbled in HS. I shoot very well, not great at much else haha
 
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I do remember about 5 years ago many thought Lebron would eclipse Jordan. As great as he has been, I think is doubtful at this point if that will ever happen (already at the tail end of his absolute prime as you say).

I agree with your assessment btw. Curry's shooting and offensive prowess right now is amazing and it makes him the best player currently I believe. I do agree offensively he is right up at the very top all time.

I think Lebron has been a slight disappointment, but he probably "gets off the hook" if he can win a 3rd championship (if that's with Cleveland.)

Even though Steph won MVP, Lebron's probably still considered the King and best player alive. But if Steph plays well and the Warriors win, I think Steph will have taken the title away from Lebron, perhaps for good.

On the other hand, if Lebron wins, he acheives that 3rd title and finally wins for Cleveland and probably becomes an immortal top 5 player of all time and will end up historically going down as better than Bird.
 
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Steph trying to take that crown of being the King away from 'Bron. He is the king if GSW win, especially if he bags the Finals MVP award this time around (don't forget it was Iguodala last year).
 
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Mad props to Klay BTW; his game and his attitude. I love hearing him in interviews.
 
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I still think LeBron is the slightly better overall player, and Steph is my fave player ever - I find him more fun to watch than MJ or Iverson or Kobe or anyone else. I just paid good money to watch the finals via NBA TV, so it had better be good.

I find the Warriors in general and especially the Splash Bros. of Curry and Thompson the most fun team to watch in the history of professional sports.

You could see how important composure and mental strength was in those last 2 games against OKC. Durant and Westbrook are a better 1-2 punch, but they lack the composure down the stretch.
 
I think Lebron has been a slight disappointment, but he probably "gets off the hook" if he can win a 3rd championship (if that's with Cleveland.)

Even though Steph won MVP, Lebron's probably still considered the King and best player alive. But if Steph plays well and the Warriors win, I think Steph will have taken the title away from Lebron, perhaps for good.

On the other hand, if Lebron wins, he acheives that 3rd title and finally wins for Cleveland and probably becomes an immortal top 5 player of all time and will end up historically going down as better than Bird.

Yeah I agree with all that. This is a huge series for both guys careers, legacy, and even how they are currently regarded (and you know both guys want to be known as the man currently out there next season).

I find it hard to consider LeBron a dissapointment, and I think it is unfortunate some would feel that way. I think people are just always too excited to see the new GOAT so probably exagerrated what one should have expected from him. And he really has matured, particularly from the point he just wanted to play on an All Superstar team with his bff's and at first had a real douchey attitude, but matured significantly, especialy after losing the NBA final to the Mavs which really humbled him a bit, and he become a new man and better player.
 
Mad props to Klay BTW; his game and his attitude. I love hearing him in interviews.

I totally agree! Good to see him getting some recognition and his huge value to the team. This playoffs he has really shone for the GSW, and has arguably been their most important player thus far, including Curry.
 
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I find the Warriors in general and especially the Splash Bros. of Curry and Thompson the most fun team to watch in the history of professional sports.

You could see how important composure and mental strength was in those last 2 games against OKC. Durant and Westbrook are a better 1-2 punch, but they lack the composure down the stretch.

When Steph got drafted me and my younger bro were instant fans. He looks just like my younger bro so when he scored it was like Phil was scoring. Of course we didn't treat that vicarious habit too seriously but it was a lot of fun. Just typically also, GSW have been playing high tempo exciting basketball for years and were one of the most fun teams to watch long before they were a Championship calibre team. Now he's arguably the best player in the world and his Splash Bro Klay is one heck of a player to boot.
 
Not on a serious level, just dabbled in HS. I shoot very well, not great at much else haha

I honestly was never big on basketball, and even as a spectator I dont watch it as much as other sports but it is hard to not be interested in GSW's run this year.

The bit I did play I tried to use my size effectively. The shooting was my worst part, so I am the opposite of you.
 
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I totally agree! Good to see him getting some recognition and his huge value to the team. This playoffs he has really shone for the GSW, and has arguably been their most important player thus far, including Curry.

Klay's explosion in game 6 kept the Warriors afloat, and what a stretch of shooting that was. That guy is ice cold, with enormous belief in himself, and his defence is usually highly effective. Klay might have just done enough to buy enough time for Steph to continue to get fitter and stronger (knee, ankle, elbow) and for GSW to repeat as champions.
 
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Yeah I agree with all that. This is a huge series for both guys careers, legacy, and even how they are currently regarded (and you know both guys want to be known as the man currently out there next season).

I find it hard to consider LeBron a dissapointment, and I think it is unfortunate some would feel that way. I think people are just always too excited to see the new GOAT so probably exagerrated what one should have expected from him. And he really has matured, particularly from the point he just wanted to play on an All Superstar team with his bff's and at first had a real douchey attitude, but matured significantly, especialy after losing the NBA final to the Mavs which really humbled him a bit, and he become a new man and better player.

I don't really consider him one, but you know how sports writers and media can be. I think it's been largely not his fault that his teams have lost in the finals, with the exception of the Mavs series in '11. I do think he lacks a killer clutch gene like Kobe or MJ, but he's also not terrible in the clutch, just not as strong as some of the other greats. He's most comparable to Magic to me, but not quite as good or with quite as much killer instinct, but very, very close.

I say a 3rd gets him off the hook, because Bird had 3. Basketball is obviously a team sport, and I don't think Bill Russell (11 championships) is the best ever. But I do think Lebron needs a win this time. 2-5 in the finals will look ugly.
 
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I trust you've been keeping up with every instalment of ESPN First Take. BTW, nice kiss from Shaq on Stephen A. Smith on the weekend - lol. I think LeBron is in league with Magic and Bird in straight up basketball chops, or arguably better. Gotta close more deals, though.
 
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When Steph got drafted me and my younger bro were instant fans. He looks just like my younger bro so when he scored it was like Phil was scoring. Of course we didn't treat that vicarious habit too seriously but it was a lot of fun. Just typically also, GSW have been playing high tempo exciting basketball for years and were one of the most fun teams to watch long before they were a Championship calibre team. Now he's arguably the best player in the world and his Splash Bro Klay is one heck of a player to boot.

That's cool, I'd root for any athlete that looked like me or a family member haha.

I remember the Warriors were exciting with Baron Davis about 10 years ago. Even a modern sort of offense back then, but questionable defense, similar to the Mike D'antoni coached Suns.
 
I don't really consider him one, but you know how sports writers and media can be. I think it's been largely not his fault that his teams have lost in the finals, with the exception of the Mavs series in '11. I do think he lacks a killer clutch gene like Kobe or MJ, but he's also not terrible in the clutch, just not as strong as some of the other greats. He's most comparable to Magic to me, but not quite as good or with quite as much killer instinct, but very, very close.

I say a 3rd gets him off the hook, because Bird had 3. Basketball is obviously a team sport, and I don't think Bill Russell (11 championships) is the best ever. But I do think Lebron needs a win this time. 2-5 in the finals will look ugly.

Yeah I agree a 3rd Championships is huge for his legacy, especialy doing it with a somewhat weaker team (or atleast perceived to be) than his self created best buddies/ All Stars team he won his previous 2 with.

I also agree he shouldnt be viewed as a dissapointment, but yes to some writers and media he probably is, since the expectations hoisted on him were huge.

I also agree his playing style and in general he is most like Magic, much more than Jordan who is a very different style of player. That would have been a more appropriate comparision to begin with, but everyone wants to talk about someone eclipsing Jordan, so whenever the new phenom comes along that is what you will hear.
 
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I trust you've been keeping up with every instalment of ESPN First Take. BTW, nice kiss from Shaq on Stephen A. Smith on the weekend - lol. I think LeBron is in league with Magic and Bird in straight up basketball chops, or arguably better. Gotta close more deals, though.

I watch First take every day lol and Inside the NBA frequently. Skip's last day is the day after the NBA finals...I'm getting a little bit tired of him to be honest and Stephen A. Smith. Familiarity breeds contempt, I guess. But I'm sure I'll miss it by August.
 
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Yeah I agree a 3rd Championships is huge for his legacy, especialy doing it with a somewhat weaker team (or atleast perceived to be) than his self created best buddies/ All Stars team he won his previous 2 with.

I also agree he shouldnt be viewed as a dissapointment, but yes to some writers and media he probably is, since the expectations hoisted on him were huge.

I also agree his playing style and in general he is most like Magic, much more than Jordan who is a very different style of player. That would have been a more appropriate comparision to begin with, but everyone wants to talk about someone eclipsing Jordan, so whenever the new phenom comes along that is what you will hear.

Do you think Jordan is unequivocably the best ever?
 
Do you think Jordan is unequivocably the best ever?

Honestly I dont. I think he might be, but I dont think it is as clear and dry. However I know I am in the minority, and I dont really have the energy to argue it most times. Certainly to media Jordan is the sexy choice by far, and he is the standard they hold all others to.
 
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Honestly I dont. I think he might be, but I dont think it is as clear and dry. However I know I am in the minority, and I dont really have the energy to argue it most times. Certainly to media Jordan is the sexy choice by far, and he is the standard they hold all others to.

I love MJ, but I do think one advantage he had over the older players that came before him is the media explosion, internet, nike sneakers etc. Of course the technology has only expanded and social media since, but he was the 1st to really get big on a global scale due to the blossoming technology of the 90's. And we all remember the 1st.

Of course, he was extremely great anyway, but I do think that plays a role.
 

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Neither. It's Kawhi, the best two-way player in the NBA. Yes I'm serious.

Between the two, though, I'd still take LBJ due to his greater versatility. Curry has way too much trouble passing in traffic/while driving to the basket, which really is an inexcusable sin for a (supposed) PG. And though LeBron's defense has always been overrated it's still better than Steph's raw efforts on that end.

Offensively, he might legitamitely be the best ever.

He's really not. Now I'm ready to anoint Steph the best shooter ever, because I can't imagine anyone in the past (and certainly not anyone I've seen) creating his own long-distance bombs so effortlessly, but unlike MJ and Kobe he can't take hits and finish in heavy traffic (of course LBJ himself is no slouch here), post up (ditto), fade away (here's where both LBJ and Steph take a backseat, though the former's release has improved a lot), etc.

If I had to pick one purely for his offense I'd go with Kobe just over MJ due to his superior dribbling and range, but then others will counter that MJ was more disciplined in his shot selection and could finish better in the paint thanks to his bigger hands and superior athleticism. In any case I'd take both over Steph for now, until/unless the first unanimous MVP in NBA history somehow expands his offensive repertoire.
 
I love MJ, but I do think one advantage he had over the older players that came before him is the media explosion, internet, nike sneakers etc. Of course the technology has only expanded and social media since, but he was the 1st to really get big on a global scale due to the blossoming technology of the 90's. And we all remember the 1st.

Of course, he was extremely great anyway, but I do think that plays a role.

Of course it does. People want to believe someone who came around at the time of advanced technology, internet explosion, social media and social outlet explosion, NBC and ESPN notoriety, and who is far more recent is the best ever. Which I am not criticizing since it is just human emotion I guess. However the comparisions between him and more old school greats (as well as someone like LeBron and Magic to a lesser degree) are somewhat tained with sub conscious bias.

In Curry's case there is probably some inherint bias to his personality (low key, nice key, a bit odd for an NBA all time great), size, that he plays on such a team heavy formatted team, that negates the recency bias, so they probably all balance out and his evaluations will probably be fairer.
 
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Neither. It's Kawhi, the best two-way player in the NBA. Yes I'm serious.

Between the two, though, I'd still take LBJ due to his greater versatility. Curry has way too much trouble passing in traffic/while driving to the basket, which really is an inexcusable sin for a (supposed) PG. And though LeBron's defense has always been overrated it's still better than Steph's raw efforts on that end.



He's really not. Now I'm ready to anoint Steph the best shooter ever, because I can't imagine anyone in the past (and certainly not anyone I've seen) creating his own long-distance bombs so effortlessly, but unlike MJ and Kobe he can't take hits and finish in heavy traffic (of course LBJ himself is no slouch here), post up (ditto), fade away (here's where both LBJ and Steph take a backseat, though the former's release has improved a lot), etc.

If I had to pick one purely for his offense I'd go with Kobe just over MJ due to his superior dribbling and range, but then others will counter that MJ was more disciplined in his shot selection and could finish better in the paint thanks to his bigger hands and superior athleticism. In any case I'd take both over Steph for now, until/unless the first unanimous MVP in NBA history somehow expands his offensive repertoire.

You think Kawhi's the best player in basketball? Sorry, I don't see it, yeah he's a great defender as well and that's very important. I'm pretty sure if teams were drafting players to start a team with, or just to be on their team for the next few years or even just next year, Steph and Lebron would go before Kawhi, Kevin Durant likely would also.
 
You think Kawhi's the best player in basketball? Sorry, I don't see it, yeah he's a great defender as well and that's very important. I'm pretty sure if teams were drafting players to start a team with, or just to be on their team for the next few years or even just next year, Steph and Lebron would go before Kawhi, Kevin Durant likely would also.

I agree, but it is actually nice to see someone offering a different choice other than Steph and LeBron all the same.
 

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You think Kawhi's the best player in basketball? Sorry, I don't see it, yeah he's a great defender as well and that's very important. I'm pretty sure if teams were drafting players to start a team with, or just to be on their team for the next few years or even just next year, Steph and Lebron would go before Kawhi, Kevin Durant likely would also.

You make him sound like Avery Bradley or another defense specialist. For the record Kawhi posted 21.2 points this season while shooting over 50%, including 44.3% from deep and 87.4% from the stripe. That's despite him playing fewer minutes and handling the ball a lot less than Steph or LBJ. And of course there's the rest of his all-round game with 6.8 boards, 2.6 dimes, 1.8 steals and 1.0 block this season. I hate to agree on Barkley on anything but he certainly wasn't crazy when he said he'd take Kawhi over LBJ.

Durant's defense in these playoffs impressed me, but his ball handling is nowhere near on par with that of these guys (I'm not just thinking of those costly turnovers in game 6 - his height means he'll never be among the quickest players around) and I'd like to see him keep up his defensive intensity throughout the season. Having said that I wouldn't be surprised to see him win the MVP award again next year. I'm feeling quite bullish on OKC's chances next season :D (of course I'm assuming Kev stays with his team, as he should):

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...some-nba-2015-16.536689/page-34#post-10323294
 
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You make him sound like Avery Bradley or another defense specialist. For the record Kawhi posted 21.2 points this season while shooting over 50%, including 44.3% from deep and 87.4% from the stripe. That's despite him playing fewer minutes and handling the ball a lot less than Steph or LBJ. And of course there's the rest of his all-round game with 6.8 boards, 2.6 dimes, 1.8 steals and 1.0 block this season. I hate to agree on Barkley on anything but he certainly wasn't crazy when he said he'd take Kawhi over LBJ.

Durant's defense in these playoffs impressed me, but his ball handling is nowhere near on par with that of these guys (I'm not just thinking of those costly turnovers in game 6 - his height means he'll never be among the quickest players around) and I'd like to see him keep up his defensive intensity throughout the season. Having said that I wouldn't be surprised to see him win the MVP award again next year. I'm feeling quite bullish on OKC's chances next season :D (of course I'm assuming Kev stays with his team, as he should):

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...some-nba-2015-16.536689/page-34#post-10323294

Interesting perspective.

I don't think OKC will ever win a title with Westbrook and Durant together. It doesn't work.
 

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Interesting perspective.

I don't think OKC will ever win a title with Westbrook and Durant together. It doesn't work.

I'm skeptical about it myself (as you can tell by my sadly accurate prediction about Russ costing his team another ring), but hoping OKC will finally make some trades/moves this off-season so they can cut down on those turnovers (especially by Westbrook). If they can take care of the ball and shoot from outside just a tad better I don't think even GS will be able to stop them.
 

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Put lebron on any team and they instantly make the playoffs and all but like 2 would be legit championship contenders. But kawhai or curry on any team and they wouldn't even make half the league legit contenders. Curry is in the perfect system to hide is awful defense and cannot impact the game when he's not scoring. Kawhai is possibly the best perimeter defender ever but his offense isn't that great he's a system player.
 

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Steph Curry is the best now. Offensively, he might legitamitely be the best ever. No, that is not a misprint. His defense is serviceable enough, that I think he is the most valuable/best overall right now. (Similar to Novak being the best overall, and his net game not being great but serviceable enough that he's still the best overall)

Another thing to consider is that both are probably all time greats who will be comparable at the end of their careers.

Steph is right at the heart of his absolute prime at 28, Lebron is at the tail end of his at 31.

See this is why people are starting to hate on Steph, because he gets overrated so often. Did Steph have an all time great offensive season? Yes(probably top 10). Does that put him ANYWHERE NEAR the best offensive player of all time? **** no. He's at 1 single season that compares with like 10 of Jordan's seasons offensively. He can't touch Lebron or Durant at this point offensively(talking about on a career level). Let alone Jordan.
 

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Lebron is still the best.

Currys offensive game in this modern times makes it close. But Lebron is the most versatile player since magic Johnson. He could play center in this upcoming series or he can be the PG.

If Kawhi can improve his offensive effecniecy he will approach this because his d is all time.
 

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You make him sound like Avery Bradley or another defense specialist. For the record Kawhi posted 21.2 points this season while shooting over 50%, including 44.3% from deep and 87.4% from the stripe. That's despite him playing fewer minutes and handling the ball a lot less than Steph or LBJ. And of course there's the rest of his all-round game with 6.8 boards, 2.6 dimes, 1.8 steals and 1.0 block this season. I hate to agree on Barkley on anything but he certainly wasn't crazy when he said he'd take Kawhi over LBJ.

Durant's defense in these playoffs impressed me, but his ball handling is nowhere near on par with that of these guys (I'm not just thinking of those costly turnovers in game 6 - his height means he'll never be among the quickest players around) and I'd like to see him keep up his defensive intensity throughout the season. Having said that I wouldn't be surprised to see him win the MVP award again next year. I'm feeling quite bullish on OKC's chances next season :D (of course I'm assuming Kev stays with his team, as he should):

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...some-nba-2015-16.536689/page-34#post-10323294

Which is a lot of the reason why he was as efficient as he was. For the record he played less than 1 minute less than Curry per game. And scored 9 points a game less. You replace Lebron with Kawhi on the Cavs and you honestly think they are ANYWHERE near the same team? Flip that around and the Spurs are literally unstopabble. Kawhi is MAYBE the 4th best player in the league, he's not capable of leading a team anywhere near Lebron, KD, or Curry.
 

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Lebron is still the best.

Currys offensive game in this modern times makes it close. But Lebron is the most versatile player since magic Johnson. He could play center in this upcoming series or he can be the PG.

If Kawhi can improve his offensive effecniecy he will approach this because his d is all time.

I mean I agree Lebron is the best, but can we get rid of this idea that he could play center for more than a play or two? Because it's ********. He would get battered in the post, and his offense would suffer horribly. Look at what happens to Draymond when he actually plays against real centers..
 

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Put lebron on any team and they instantly make the playoffs and all but like 2 would be legit championship contenders. But kawhai or curry on any team and they wouldn't even make half the league legit contenders. Curry is in the perfect system to hide is awful defense and cannot impact the game when he's not scoring. Kawhai is possibly the best perimeter defender ever but his offense isn't that great he's a system player.

While I agree on the general sentiment you take it too far. While it may be true that LBJ for most of his career has not had a supporting cast as strong as prime MJ's or Kobe's (though it's really debatable just how wanting the later editions of his pre-Decision Cavs were) it's also true that his competition has not been as strong either. If my math is correct he now has defeated all of 9 teams with 50 or more regular-season wins in the playoffs (including this season's Raptors), which is less than half of MJ's or Kobe's total at a comparable point in their respective career. Put LBJ in the West and there's no way he'd make all but two of the teams instant championship contenders.

As for Kawhi being a system player that bring us to this:

Which is a lot of the reason why he was as efficient as he was. For the record he played less than 1 minute less than Curry per game. And scored 9 points a game less. You replace Lebron with Kawhi on the Cavs and you honestly think they are ANYWHERE near the same team? Flip that around and the Spurs are literally unstopabble. Kawhi is MAYBE the 4th best player in the league, he's not capable of leading a team anywhere near Lebron, KD, or Curry.

You missed the part about Curry handling the ball more. I don't have the exact numbers but I guarantee you Steph had possession of the ball a lot more than Kawhi in their 30-something minutes.

Also you guys make the all-too-common mistake of assuming a player would play virtually the same way in these what-if scenarios. Yes, Kawhi is a system player, but so is just about anyone else and under Pop's system both LBJ's and Curry's point totals would drop dramatically. And if you really think Kawhi wouldn't be able to pad his stats on other teams get this: this season, the first time Pop really trusted him to take over the SA offense (along with Aldridge), Kawhi played barely one more minute (1.3 if you wanna be anal) than last season but increased his output by nearly 5 points (4.7) while improving his shooting %s everywhere.

Of course that's not to say he'd ever be able to match MJ or Kobe on the offensive end, because I know he wouldn't (for one thing those two were more creative than Kawhi ever was or will be). But considering Kawhi's sizable advantage on the other end over Steph and even LBJ it's surely no stretch to think he's indeed the best player in the world today.

Lebron is still the best.

Currys offensive game in this modern times makes it close. But Lebron is the most versatile player since magic Johnson. He could play center in this upcoming series or he can be the PG.

Actually I'd say LBJ is more versatile. Magic was an even better facilitator especially on the run but he was never a great shooter, nor was his defense up to par. Same reasons why I'd put Kobe above Magic too.

I mean I agree Lebron is the best, but can we get rid of this idea that he could play center for more than a play or two? Because it's ********. He would get battered in the post, and his offense would suffer horribly. Look at what happens to Draymond when he actually plays against real centers..

Here I agree with you. Yes LBJ would get abused in the post by the bigs, and even now he has trouble guarding fleet-footed guards (individual D is where he takes another backseat to MJ and Kobe, at least when the latter set his mind to it which he usually did in the playoffs).

Also I know you dislike him, but Draymond himself is the most versatile player in the league today. Like it or not GS is probably the only team with three legit current top 10 players.
 

Noveson

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@NonP Oh I do hate Draymond, but I know he's very very good. I don't think he's top 10, and I don't think he's the most versatile player(most versatile defender for sure), but he's pretty goddamn good.

As for Kawhi, his numbers going up with his larger role is as much a part of him just getting better due to experience asanything else. Sure give him a higher usg and he'd get more points, but his %'s would go down and his turnovers would go up, and he's isn't near as good of a passer as Lebron or Curry is. Lebron's assist percentage is literally double Kawhi's this last season. I shudder to think of him trying to run an offense, even KD has a significantly higher assist %. Kawhi is fortunate enough to have played his whole career in one of the best offenses in sports, he doesn't have near the workload that the other top guys have to deal with.
 

comeback

Hall of Fame
I remember when Steve Nash had some great years with his new moves but was physically overpowered and worn down with injuries..This could be another case with Curry..Lebron's size and strength always gives him an edge
 

Kevin T

Hall of Fame
Put lebron on any team and they instantly make the playoffs and all but like 2 would be legit championship contenders. But kawhai or curry on any team and they wouldn't even make half the league legit contenders. Curry is in the perfect system to hide is awful defense and cannot impact the game when he's not scoring. Kawhai is possibly the best perimeter defender ever but his offense isn't that great he's a system player.

This. I'm not a Lebron fan or hater but his greatness is obvious. No excuse for the loss to the Mavs in the finals but he took a terrible Cavs team to the finals his first go around and again last year with Love and Kyrie hurt. He can legitimately play all five positions and play them well. For those who think he can't play center more than five minutes...Draymond can and does and is listed 6'7", 230#. Lebron is listed at 6'8", 250# and is a heck of a lot more athletic. He can score at will in the paint, shoots from deep reasonably well, rebounds and passes very well and can lock it down on D when he feels like it. Only Magic and MJ were as complete (MJ being the greatest, of course).
 

T1000

Legend
While I agree on the general sentiment you take it too far. While it may be true that LBJ for most of his career has not had a supporting cast as strong as prime MJ's or Kobe's (though it's really debatable just how wanting the later editions of his pre-Decision Cavs were) it's also true that his competition has not been as strong either. If my math is correct he now has defeated all of 9 teams with 50 or more regular-season wins in the playoffs (including this season's Raptors), which is less than half of MJ's or Kobe's total at a comparable point in their respective career. Put LBJ in the West and there's no way he'd make all but two of the teams instant championship contenders.

Uh the win totals of the teams jordan and Kobe played have nothing to do with who's better between lebron curry and kawhai lol. The lakers sixers and nets are the only teams that wouldn't be championship contenders with lebron on the team. Maybe the Suns and Kings too. So 5 off the top of my head don't really feel like typing up scenarios for each on my phone right now but I'm pretty confident those are the only 5 that wouldn't be a top 4 team in the league with lebron on it.
 

Noveson

Hall of Fame
Uh the win totals of the teams jordan and Kobe played have nothing to do with who's better between lebron curry and kawhai lol. The lakers sixers and nets are the only teams that wouldn't be championship contenders with lebron on the team. Maybe the Suns and Kings too. So 5 off the top of my head don't really feel like typing up scenarios for each on my phone right now but I'm pretty confident those are the only 5 that wouldn't be a top 4 team in the league with lebron on it.

I hate this argument. Yeah any team where you add a super max player and don't take anything away is probably going to be a contender, there's something called a salary cap....Not to mention you have no idea who would and who wouldnt be. Add Lebron to the Timberwolves and they still have a million problems that the Warriors don't have right now
 

hollywood9826

Hall of Fame
I mean I agree Lebron is the best, but can we get rid of this idea that he could play center for more than a play or two? Because it's ********. He would get battered in the post, and his offense would suffer horribly. Look at what happens to Draymond when he actually plays against real centers..


I said in this upcoming series he could play C. Bogut and Varejao are not enough to pound on LeBron. Draymond as you said isn't a center.


And NonP said Draymond is more versatile what can he that LeBron cant do? You know besides kick dudes in the crotch? You have to theoretically put him in Greens spot on the same GSW team. Would LeBron average a triple double? 15 assists per game could be in play.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
please! LeBron is clearly the better athlete and player overall!

one on one it would be no contest.

it would be like a bear vs a cat, no matter the tactile and tactical adv a feline might have, it just can't compensate for the lack of size, physicality, and strength...
 

Noveson

Hall of Fame
please! LeBron is clearly the better athlete and player overall!

one on one it would be no contest.

it would be like a bear vs a cat, no matter the tactile and tactical adv a feline might have, it just can't compensate for the lack of size, physicality, and strength...

Not sure anything you said has to do with who the better basketball player is..
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Well, in a wrestling match, Lebron is superior to Curry.
In an eating contest also.
And I"m sure Lebron can lift more than Curry, although Curry is much stronger than he looks.
We'll see who can CARRY his team to the NBA Championships. If we knew, there would be no reason or sense to play it.
 
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Deleted member 716271

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See this is why people are starting to hate on Steph, because he gets overrated so often. Did Steph have an all time great offensive season? Yes(probably top 10). Does that put him ANYWHERE NEAR the best offensive player of all time? **** no. He's at 1 single season that compares with like 10 of Jordan's seasons offensively. He can't touch Lebron or Durant at this point offensively(talking about on a career level). Let alone Jordan.

He's had 2 great seasons that compare, and this last sea son was better than any of Jordan's.
 

Kal-El 34

Hall of Fame
Let them play 1 on 1 to decide lol. I love curry but he's nowhere near the better of the 2 players. LeBron does everything better except the 3 point shot. LeBron can n play point guard to center. Can guard anybody. Rebounds. Great passer and can score at will. Colin Cowherd summed it up best.

If LeBron has an off shooting night, he contributes in every other statistical category.

If steph has an off shooting night he 6'2 180 pounds and that's about it
 
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