joe sch
Legend
Good deal for the Mavs and may just get them into the playoffs ...
Let's Talk Some NBA 2016-17
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joe sch
Legend
Matt is 37 and loves playing in CA especially norcal so maybe a good gig
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Early word from The Undefeated is KD won't be facing season ending surgery so Barnes' role will be as a bridge to the playoffs and then decent minutes off the bench. Very good fit!
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Out an estimated 4 weeks with a sprained MCL and a bone bruise.
The Illustrated Mattie Barnes will be busy. Hope he is ready.
The Illustrated Mattie Barnes will be busy. Hope he is ready.
He's getting reevaluated at 4 weeks....hopefully it's not much longer than that. This season is going to get extra boring if KD's out. Watch Lebron stomp a few mediocre teams onto the finals and an easy win.
Nobody really knows? I know lots have been said, but he did walk off the court on his own. Is Durant a fast healer, and can he play without going all out running and jumping?
Now Barnes, McAdoo, and Looney can split time at forward, S and P, while Pach, West, and McGee hold down the center position. They younguns get to play and develop this year....hopefully they will play enough to contribute enough at P and S forward positions.
Barnes sure seem taller than his listed 6'7" when he played against the Warriors. A rebounding force if he want's to be, capable of hitting corner 3's and playing solid D against any size opponent except big strong centers.
Now Barnes, McAdoo, and Looney can split time at forward, S and P, while Pach, West, and McGee hold down the center position. They younguns get to play and develop this year....hopefully they will play enough to contribute enough at P and S forward positions.
Barnes sure seem taller than his listed 6'7" when he played against the Warriors. A rebounding force if he want's to be, capable of hitting corner 3's and playing solid D against any size opponent except big strong centers.
Crazy game in Portland last night. First Taj hits that baseball full courter, then a fan wins a Siena from half court(not sure if that was on TV). And to finish off we get the W!! That Nurkic trade is looking more and more like an absolute fleecing, he's been huge for us.
Also, as always pleasure to watch Westbrook play. Boy does he take some stupid shots but god is he inhuman athletically.
Also, as always pleasure to watch Westbrook play. Boy does he take some stupid shots but god is he inhuman athletically.
Missed the second half of the T vs T game, but it looked like a good one.
Depressed after watching the Warriors "go through the motions" playing against the Bulls. No sense of urgency, no really moves to replace player's obviously OFF their games, and Curry and Thompson missing their last 10 shots to end the 4th. ANY 2 of those shots, and the Warriors win.
Hate Pachulia missing layups from 2' away from the rim, then flopping for little reason.
Splash Bros must be shooting 20% on THREES the last 4 games.
Bulls have a GREAT winning TNT record, but the Warriors just went thru the motions.
Yes, Kerr was sick, so didn't do a whole lot after the first half.
Depressed after watching the Warriors "go through the motions" playing against the Bulls. No sense of urgency, no really moves to replace player's obviously OFF their games, and Curry and Thompson missing their last 10 shots to end the 4th. ANY 2 of those shots, and the Warriors win.
Hate Pachulia missing layups from 2' away from the rim, then flopping for little reason.
Splash Bros must be shooting 20% on THREES the last 4 games.
Bulls have a GREAT winning TNT record, but the Warriors just went thru the motions.
Yes, Kerr was sick, so didn't do a whole lot after the first half.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Fourth straight 40-plus points game for Westbrook but one dime shy of another tripdub in OKC's loss on the road to Phoenix.
Like their new lineup; may be a tough out 1R.
Like their new lineup; may be a tough out 1R.
T1000
Legend
Pelicans look amazing with cousins. What a great trade!
Yup he's a younger more athletic Tyson chandler fits perfectly next to dirk in carlisle's system. They're finally healthy too which also helps.
Yup he's a younger more athletic Tyson chandler fits perfectly next to dirk in carlisle's system. They're finally healthy too which also helps.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
Sixers were stupid to trade him. Should have traded Okafor even if they couldn't have got nothing but a 2d rounder for him, he's just a liability and his game doesn't equate to modern day.
Colangelo's are ruining everything Hinkie had set in motion.
What's a mid round, first round pick really worth? Can someone like Matt Barnes be actually worth MORE than a first round, No. 15 pick?
While there are some pretty good rookies and sophmores, most fall by the wayside and drop out of NBA by their 5th season.
So, wondering what tanking really is worth?
While there are some pretty good rookies and sophmores, most fall by the wayside and drop out of NBA by their 5th season.
So, wondering what tanking really is worth?
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Congrats to The Beard for already shattering the Sara Lee turnovers record he set last year! He now stands alone above the George McGinnis pre-merger records too at 428 and counting. Russell Fumblebrook is ready to pass McGinnis as well...he's currently at 391 and needs just 32 more to stand alone behind Hardfinger.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
RW just broke the record for most points in a tripdub...57/13/11, including the trey to force OT.
435 Sara Lees now too...rewriting every record possible!
435 Sara Lees now too...rewriting every record possible!
stringertom
Bionic Poster
GSW closes to within three at the half.
Sixth straight game at SA as the backend of a back-to-back for GSW. Let's see if they have legs at the end.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
GSW wins going away...plenty of leg left, especially David West with a 4th quarter explosion vs his mates from last year.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
And Boston celebrates their ascent to first place in the NBA Least by losing at home to Milwaukee 103-100 and fall back to second. Isaiah Thomas proves why he's way behind in the MVP race to Hardenbrook by being schooled by ROY candidate Brogdon in the closing minutes...you have to play defense at least a bit for MVP consideration.
NonP
Legend
If D is such a big factor (as it should be), then the Beard is out of the running himself, because he plays almost none every time.
Anyhoo is anyone as psyched as I am about Westbrook's likely historic season? Ever since Agent Orange's election my interest in bball (or tennis for that matter) has been borderline casual at best, but I've been following Russ' ongoing 3-2 campaign most closely. In fact "russell westbrook" has gotta be the only thing I've been googling every nite in the past few weeks, just to give y'all an idea. Back in December I predicted that he'd indeed go on to post the 1st 3-2 regular season since Big O (who BTW is the only one in my book who can seriously challenge MJ all time, and this comes from a Kobe fanboy), but I really didn't see him threatening Oscar's record 41. Now all Russ has to do is 4 more in twice as many games and he'll actually pass Oscar friggin' Robertson!
Now here's where the killjoy crashes the party and says this "record" is somewhat bogus because blocks weren't regularly recorded in Oscar's heyday and Wilt and even Russell might well have posted more 3-2s under today's system. And of course you've heard all that chatter about Russ' (and Harden's) stats being inflated 'cause he always has the ball in his hands. But still, 41 triple-doubles?! You know, one of those numbers that were once thought as untouchable as DiMaggio's 56? Let's just say I'll be mighty, mighty disappointed if Westbrook happens to fall just one short.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Harden is 16th and 15th in the association in rebounds (12th defensive rebounds) and steals respectively. His mataDor Days are highly exaggerated. Thomas is well below 3 rebounds and 1 steal per game. Big difference.If D is such a big factor (as it should be), then the Beard is out of the running himself, because he plays almost none every time.
Anyhoo is anyone as psyched as I am about Westbrook's likely historic season? Ever since Agent Orange's election my interest in bball (or tennis for that matter) has been borderline casual at best, but I've been following Russ' ongoing 3-2 campaign most closely. In fact "russell westbrook" has gotta be the only thing I've been googling every nite in the past few weeks, just to give y'all an idea. Back in December I predicted that he'd indeed go on to post the 1st 3-2 regular season since Big O (who BTW is the only one in my book who can seriously challenge MJ all time, and this comes from a Kobe fanboy), but I really didn't see him threatening Oscar's record 41. Now all Russ has to do is 4 more in twice as many games and he'll actually pass Oscar friggin' Robertson!
Now here's where the killjoy crashes the party and says this "record" is somewhat bogus because blocks weren't regularly recorded in Oscar's heyday and Wilt and even Russell might well have posted more 3-2s under today's system. And of course you've heard all that chatter about Russ' (and Harden's) stats being inflated 'cause he always has the ball in his hands. But still, 41 triple-doubles?! You know, one of those numbers that were once thought as untouchable as DiMaggio's 56? Let's just say I'll be mighty, mighty disappointed if Westbrook happens to fall just one short.
Neither hold a candle to RW. He is my MVP but Harden would win it in any other year.
Harden's gonna win it this year I think. Only think Westbrook has going for him is 2 extra rebounds resulting in some arbitrary stat line. Harden is way more efficient and his team is better, which I think will seal it. No one has ever won MVP on a 5th seed team.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Will Lebron lose his smile?
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Celtics + Cavs each trying to give each other the 1 seed lol
T1000
Legend
https://twitter.com/LakeShowYo/status/847921839179415552
You'll appreciate this vid. Biggest statpadder in NBA history
NonP
Legend
I'm sure I don't need to tell you boards and steals make up only a tiny part of defense. And I don't think most experts (the real ones) would disagree with me that Harden is the worst of the four leading candidates when it comes to D. Neglects to go around screens, frequently turns his head to the ball rather than his guy, you name it. At least Westbrook tries harder on his end.
Anyhoo I enthusiastically second your shout-out to RW over the Beard and Isaiah. Frankly don't think it's that close between him and LBJ, either (haven't paid much attention this season, but looks like LeBron has been mostly cruising to fuel up for the playoffs). IMO the only serious challenger to my guy is Kawhi, due to his nonpareil two-way excellence (obviously that last game helps his case more than Russ').
How is Harden "way more efficient"? Yes, he shoots better (in fact I've said before this is RW's biggest weakness), but he commits more TOs and PFs, is the worse passer (don't be fooled by their assist totals) and of course trails far behind in rebounds despite playing more minutes. No wonder Russ easily trumps him in PER (30.67 vs. 27.44 as of April Fools').
But I share your awe of Westbrook's athleticism. I've long maintained that pound for pound RW is the best athlete in NBA history, or at least the best I've seen in the past 30 years or so. Think he was already a certified "superstar" (pace Cuban) last season but still been over the moon at his explosive growth of late. Hope he breaks Oscar's record, now with the great man's blessing.
C'mon, this canard has been debunked many times already. That poseur's puerile handle and tweet should be dead giveaways but here are the official rebound #s:
http://stats.nba.com/players/rebounding/#!?sort=REB_CONTEST_PCT&dir=-1
Even if we focus solely on the teams' respective aces at least four (Lillard, Isaiah, Wall and George - five if we include Dragic) are below RW in % of contested rebounds. Do these ballhogs "steal" rebounds from their mates, too?
Now let's compare the four leading MVP contenders (REB/CR/UCR/CR%):
- RW - 10.6/2.1/8.5/20.0
- JH - 8.1/1.8/6.4/21.6
- LBJ - 8.4/2.0/6.4/23.6
- KL - 5.9/1.7/4.2/29.4
The fact of the matter is that teams tend to defer to their star players and if they tend to have it relatively easy going to the glass that's because they've earned it. If Westbrook is indeed the "biggest statpadder in NBA history" then Harden and LBJ aren't far too behind.
NonP
Legend
40th 3-2 yesterday. At this point it'll be shocking if he doesn't get both the average and the record. Was planning to go to a concert tomorrow night but am now thinking about skipping it to catch him vs. the Bucks. Hope he gets it before I go see Ghost in the Shell (Tuesday discount at AMC, baby).
Also one more reason why Harden ain't the MVP over Westbrook (or Kawhi):
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/31/15134562/james-harden-clutch-stats-history-mvp-rockets
Also one more reason why Harden ain't the MVP over Westbrook (or Kawhi):
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/31/15134562/james-harden-clutch-stats-history-mvp-rockets
NonP
Legend
So a guy who's been out with injuries and shut out of the MVP discussion was somehow going to carry his team better than this other guy who will almost certainly become the only man since Big O to average a triple-double and boasts a 31-9 team record when he gets his magic number? You must have a more active imagination than I thought.
Also if we're going to keep focusing on fanciful numbers Basketball-Reference.com has this one called "value over replacement player" that purports to measure how much a team stands to lose were their best player to be replaced by a minimal rotation one. RW's current VORP is the 4th highest ever (since 1973-74), behind only MJ in '87-'89 (two seasons) and LBJ in '08-'09:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_season.html
At some point you have to put your vendetta aside and give the man his due. The fact of the matter is that without Westbrook OKC would be competing with the likes of LAL and Phoenix for the worst team in the deep WC. At the very least he deserves to be among the top MVP contenders.
NonP
Legend
Ugh, fell just 1 board short of the 42nd (not to mention a 8th straight 3-2, which would've given him the 2nd highest spot all by himself). Still a great shooting nite, 14-25 overall and 8-13 from downtown for 45 pts. Knocked down those 3s when his team needed it. Not too crazy about the 7 TOs (nearly offset by 5 steals, though) and his D could've been better, but you'd have to be quite churlish to fault this performance.
Don't think I'll try this League Pass crap again (just too much buffering and disconnection), but he should at the very least clinch the 3-2 average on Friday (just need 6 more dimes). Hope he gets the record too.
Don't think I'll try this League Pass crap again (just too much buffering and disconnection), but he should at the very least clinch the 3-2 average on Friday (just need 6 more dimes). Hope he gets the record too.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
RW just trying to stay in touch with Hardfinger...The Beard leads 440 to 417 in the battle for the Sara Lee Trophy. With four games left for both, Hardfinger will deny Fumblebrook taking that place in the record book.
RW will get his 42nd vs Phoenix on Friday. He's averaging 42/14/14 vs the Suns. The question will be can he get 71 to eclipse Booker's season record for most points in one game.
He doesn't deserve to win this year. We know he's the best player, but the MVP is a regular season reward and he hasn't had the best regular season. He's gotten screwed other years because of the high expectations for him(and voter fatigue), this year his team is way under performing and he doesn't even try on defense.
NonP
Legend
Not quite.
Certainly wasn't for lack of effort, cuz he was almost entirely looking to pass after it became clear his shots weren't going in and the L was coming (though in Russ' defense, the Suns for their part resorted to deliberate fouling in garbage time to deny him the record).Still he did clinch the season 3-2 average tonight. And with this loss the Thunder are almost guaranteed the 6th seed, cuz even if they were to win every one of their 3 remaining games and also LA to lose every one of their own the math is not in OKC's favor. (Memphis can't overtake OKC as they're behind in the H2H.) In other words he can now focus on getting that 42nd only.
Agreed on LBJ not deserving the Podoloff. Again if we're going to value D so highly then Russ' strongest and IMO only legit challenger is Kawhi. And if we're going to knock RW down several pegs because of his team record you really can't ignore the Cavs' own mediocre % of late, not to mention their 20-19 record on the road.
T1000
Legend
Lol what? Westbrook doesn't play defense. No one that has that offensive load (harden lebron etc) does
NonP
Legend
You misunderstood me. I know Russ isn't the defensive stopper that Kawhi is, and for the record I don't really care for the regular-season MVP award (I've long said Finals MVP is the real thing). Just saying, if defense is such a big factor in the MVP discussion then the Beard is out of the running. Like I said Russ at least tries harder on this end.
Two more cases for Westbrook. One, he's been ridiculous in the clutch throughout the season:
Two, he has now overtaken MJ and LBJ in VORP ratings:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_season.html
Of course there are many problems with using fanciful numbers like this, but if MVP really means Most Valuable Player what could be more valuable than meaning so much to your own team, however mediocre they are?
My guess is Harden will eke out the award, but I repeat: Westbrook's true competition in this race is Leonard.
NonP
Legend
LOL, the Denver crowd is oohing/aahing every time Westbrook touches the ball. They know he's just one dime shy of history.
And there's the 42nd!!!!!! Russell Westbrook has passed Oscar Robertson for the most triple-doubles in a season and Wilt Chamberlain for the 4th career slot in NBA history!!!!!!!!!
P.S. And Russ knocks down a near 40-foot buzzer beater to win it 106-105, dashing Denver's fading playoff hopes. A most efficient game by Russ, 17-32 (5-12 from the arc) and 11-11 from the line for 50, 16 boards, 10 dimes, 1 steal, and just 2 TOs and 1 PF, all in just 36 minutes.
I was on the fence between Russ and Kawhi for MVP till recently but not anymore. You've gotta give it to Westbrook now. Few if any have ever carried so much for his team, and the guy's been an absolute stud in the clutch this season.
And there's the 42nd!!!!!! Russell Westbrook has passed Oscar Robertson for the most triple-doubles in a season and Wilt Chamberlain for the 4th career slot in NBA history!!!!!!!!!
P.S. And Russ knocks down a near 40-foot buzzer beater to win it 106-105, dashing Denver's fading playoff hopes. A most efficient game by Russ, 17-32 (5-12 from the arc) and 11-11 from the line for 50, 16 boards, 10 dimes, 1 steal, and just 2 TOs and 1 PF, all in just 36 minutes.
I was on the fence between Russ and Kawhi for MVP till recently but not anymore. You've gotta give it to Westbrook now. Few if any have ever carried so much for his team, and the guy's been an absolute stud in the clutch this season.
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He clinched the playoffs for us, give that man the MVP!
NonP
Legend
Yes, and in the most spectacular fashion to boot:
Been mucho fun watching the reactions. I must've googled his name at least a dozen times by now.
My fave:http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/russell-westbrook-best-photo-record
Anyhoo best of luck to your Blazers.
I'm guessing Damian and CJ will get too hot to handle for at least one game, but that's frankly the best I can expect of them against GS. It'll be a mighty upset if the Warriors and the Spurs don't face each other in the CF.Yes, and in the most spectacular fashion to boot:
Been mucho fun watching the reactions. I must've googled his name at least a dozen times by now.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/russell-westbrook-best-photo-record
Anyhoo best of luck to your Blazers.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised at all if we get swept(assuming Nurkic doesn't play). If Nurkic is healthy and plays I think we will get one, MAYBE two games. But we've got the 1st/2nd youngest team in the league so can't complain too much.
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Chadillac
Guest
Lebaun sticking to the miami fans again. At a nightclub in miami at 3am, but unable to play tonight because he needs rest.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
I'm sure it has nothing to do with trying to freeze Chicago out of the 8th playoff spot.
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Chadillac
Guest
I'm sure it has nothing to do with trying to freeze Chicago out of the 8th playoff spot.
I dont think Lebraun is worried about the playoffs, he will be in the nba finals reguardless of how the team plays.
Stuff like this is why the nba has now joined hockey and baseball in the sub 1% rating club, first time in the history of the sport. They are now averaging .8%.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
They are not a Finals lock. Lots of problems to fix and only one real easy round to get it done. The fact that Chicago swept them in the regular season and are 6-1 against the Lebrons in their last seven meetings shows they would rather face Miami or Indiana in 1R.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Tony Romo will suit up as a Dallas Maverick tonight to participate with the team in their pregame shootaround and layup line. Just a tad less from Mark Cuban than what he got from Jerry Jones.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Crazy long list of DNP/CDs tonight that have impact on what teams nail down the last playoff spots in the East. LOL the loudest at who's sitting for the NetsBelowZero and getting a headstart on their vacations...basically a laydown for Chicago. Pat Riley needs to get in Adam Silver's ear long and loud after this joke. Atlanta is also sitting everyone but their bench is troubling Indiana.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Cancel that thought about Atlanta's scrubs...Jeff Teague has taken the second half over right out of the locker room and the Pacers are cruising by 12 now.