Life Change 180

OldButGame

Hall of Fame
I am a very firm advocate of exercise,...always have been,....as are many, people that take supplements. Its all one big 'healthy lifestyle' picture. A person could exercise regularly but if he/she is pounding a case of beer a night,..every night,...along with their diet of potato chips,....that exercise probably isnt going to do the trick for keeping them healthy. Now,...thats an exageration and i know it,...but the point is valid.

So then it would turn to,..."well,..exercise and a regular balanced diet"...."thats good enough"........

Good point,..and then,...does the 300lb male take in the same Vit C as the 90 lb female??,.....if they do,...then someone is either deficient,...or someone is taking in excess,...(possibly a supplement),....
...But they may be OK,...cuz if one is under high stress and the other isnt,...well that tips the scales yet again,....so bodyweight cant be the only criteria we consider,....
...But wait,...what about particular disease states, or more casual states of illness????...well,,that too would alter the picture creating a greater need than normal,...
...Or wait,...what about bodily trauma???.....injury states???....(in hospitals they give burn patients glutamine to facilitate the healing process,.....also a popular bodybuilding supplement,....).
....OK,...that switches the picture up yet again,....
....BUT wait !!!!!
...What about aging ???!!!!,.....there is another case for altered needs of nutrients,.....aging creates deficiencies and demands quite different from from a youthful person.
I have been at professional workshops (Drs,nurses, soc.workers) where Vit E was recomended (supplementary Vit E up to 400 IU) in the prevention of alzheimers (it keeps the myolin sheath around neurons in the brain 'intact', since studies have shown these areas in alzheimer patients become degraded over time,...causing 'virtual short circuits', in the electrochemical pathway resulting in memory loss,).

Water soluable vitamins are lost in sweat, as are electrolytes,...causing yet one more variable in the need or lack of extra nutrients.

Conversely, yes, certain nutrients are toxic at certain levels. Others interfere with particular medications. Others (eg electrolytes, ) need to be in a relative 'balance'.
Sodium is well known to be a factor in regulating blood pressure (typically a reduction in intake) so again here is a nutrient in which the intake level must be altered.

This could frankly go on forever,...but what it illustrates is that it can be a complicated area,...and the best thing a person can do is educate themselves as much as possible,...never take a supplement 'whimsically' without knowing all You can about it.

And most importantly,...while a 'balanced diet' may allow a person to 'survive',....educated supplementation and exercise as well as lifestyle is what constitutes 'health'.
I believe the better You integrate ALL these aspects,...the better athelete, in better health, You can be.

*Addendum-An exrercise 'critic' would say that exercising too much....(like too many nutrients?),...can make you sick (which it does when 'overtraining'....been there,...done that,.....),.......and to an exercise critic i would say,....."A sensible/wise approach is what makes it healthy"................. (as with supplementation).
 
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Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
^Methinks you have been taking *way* too many supplements. :)

Seriously, the complexity of your post suggests to me that the body's need for and processing of nutrients is tremendously complex. We do not have a good understanding of many things. Therefore there is no good science proving that supplements for a normal, healthy person will lead to better health or longer life than eating a varied, healthy diet.

I read an article (New Yorker?) recently that spoke to this very question. The premise was that much of what passes for legitimate scientific medical research is tainted in many ways. I think one example is how someone does a double-blind study showing Vitamin XYZ from a certain food wards off a biological reaction thought to be a factor in the development of Dreaded Disease ABC. From that, we think we can extract XYZ, take mega doses of it, and diminish our risk of Dreaded Disease ABC.

Trouble is, there all sorts of reasons that this conclusion is bogus, including research bias and the fact that it isn't possible to isolate exactly how manufactured vitamin ABC works in the body. Did anyone else see this article?

Anyway, go ahead and gobble those supplements. Totally up to you. Me, I'll skip the chips and beer and instead will eat a variety of delicious foods. I'll take the money I didn't spend on supplements and go to a day spa and have a massage or something.
 
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r2473

G.O.A.T.
I'll take the exercise, beer, and chips......and skip the supplements :)

And instead of being neurotic and surfing supplement research sites, I'll just stick to my regular porn sites, thanks :)
 
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NLBwell

Legend
Hi Everybody

I've been posting down in the racket forum trying to find "my" racket. I was a tennis elbow sufferer. I went on this "program" called Life Change 180 and I literally stopped having pain within 5 days of being on it! My tennis knee too! I want to outline it here for people, but I also want to say that I think it's a really good idea to find a practitioner to work with...There is a nutritionist through my doctor's office, and I am covered by insurance (except co-pay of course). This is the best "diet" I have ever been on...I lost 3 pounds in 2 weeks with absolutely no hunger or suffering and I think I lost another 5 the last two (I go again this Tues.

In a nutshell here is the Program:


- Eat within 30 min. of waking
- Eat every 3 hours
- Drink 1/2 your body weight in water in ozs.
- Must take the fish oil/EPA/CoQ10
- I am doing zero grains, but if you do do grains severely restrict (see
sheet)
brown rice and ezekiel bread are fine
- Unrestricted "good" oils - must make oil and vinegar salad dressing
- Watch starchy veggies - don't have more than couple x per week (potatoes, etc)
- Can have fruit except for fruit juice, bananas,& pineapple (reasonable amounts)
- Zero "diet" food, no processed food
- No milk "drinking" must use soy or almond milk in coffee
- Must eat "whole" cheeses - white cheeses - string cheese, brie, etc
- Nuts and seeds are fine - Almonds, peanuts, almond butter & PB only
- All protein is fine - unlimited - incl. tofu! (yay - love tofu)
- No sugar or sugar derivative in anything you eat (fructose etc)

Once a week or so, allow yourself to "have" a piece of pizza or a couple glasses of wine. Do not think of it as "cheating."

This is very similar to a Mediterranean Diet, I think, or maybe South Beach.

There is no calorie counting.

This is an anti-cancer, anti-heart disease, anti-diabetes diet. The goal is for a person to be disease-free and off or lowered doses of meds. Here's the link to find a practitioner:

http://www.metagenics.com/practitioners/programs/firstline-therapy-program

I think the reason my tennis elbow and knee went away was the highly anti-inflammatory nature of this diet. However, I should add they are also going to test me for gluten sensitivity/allergy next time I go just to see.

Good luck, I have never found a program so health bringing in my life!

CIAO.

Some here may complain about a point here or there, but in general this is just standard good nutrition. Nothing magic and nothing wrong with it. Congratulations on your improved health.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
Some here may complain about a point here or there, but in general this is just standard good nutrition. Nothing magic and nothing wrong with it. Congratulations on your improved health.

Well . . . I think there are some things wrong with it.

1. *No* sugar? None. Come on.

2. Eat every three hours? No, I think it's better to listen to your body and eat when your body tells you that you should eat.

3. *Must* take fish oil pills? Nah. Just eat some fish.

4. No bananas or pineapple, but grapes, berries and kiwi are OK? Huh?

5. No milk? What's wrong with organic, non-fat milk if you want?

6. Whole cheeses? I don't understand. White cheddar is OK but yellow cheddar is not? Why shouldn't I eat a low-fat mozarella cheese stick?

7. Why are almonds and peanuts the only permissible nuts? What's the harm in walnuts, pecans and cashews?

8. All proteins are fine and unlimited? So if the breakfast bar has bacon and pineapple I should go with the bacon?

Just sayin' . . . .
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Why does every diet feel the need to demonize perfectly appropriate foods? Why not just boil it down to:

1. Eat reasonable portions of healthy foods you cook for yourself.

2. Repeat Rule No. 1.

I would just add "Exercise regularly" as #2.

Makes complete and total sense, sister. Problem is you can't sell it in book, CD or DVD form, and fool a bunch of people into parting with their money.

Everyone wants a way to "cheat" the fundamentals. Be "fundamentally" lazy, but be able to "fix" everything quickly with some "extreme" healthy living. These are the people that buy the DVD's, take "boot camp" classes, and do other extreme nonsense.........for a few days.

In truth all they do is waste time and money and annoy anyone withing earshot...as these people will prattle on about this nonsense while they are "into it" to anyone who will listen. Often in a "paternalistic" tone. They just want to "help" everyone....well actually they just want everyone to know that they are now "healthy" and make others realize they aren't....unless they too adopt the latest fad.

"Tortoise and the Hare"..........slow and steady "wins" the race.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
^Hey now! No dissing boot camps. I've been doing boot camp for over a decade. It's an awesome way to get fit and stay that way.

Cindy -- noticing that there is a surge in boot camp membership in January with a steady decline promptly thereafter
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
^Hey now! No dissing boot camps. I've been doing boot camp for over a decade. It's an awesome way to get fit and stay that way.

Cindy -- noticing that there is a surge in boot camp membership in January with a steady decline promptly thereafter

Everything "works", so long as you are consistent.

I'm out of the loop on boot camps, I'll admit. Are they the 2000's equivalent to the 80's aerobics classes?

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Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
Ha! I don't know how they are other than the 2-3 in our area.

Our group meets in a parking lot at 5:30 am, five days a week. Two days are upper body, two days are lower body, one day is a long run. One instructor, anywhere from 10 to 30 students. It's basically group personal training -- instructor says what to do and we do it. Cost is $110 month for as many classes as you want to do.

It's the only thing I've been able to stick with. If I exercise later in the day, there is always some conflict, some problem, some excuse that prevents me from doing it.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
If I exercise later in the day, there is always some conflict, some problem, some excuse that prevents me from doing it.

This is my experience as well. To stay consistent, I need to be in the gym at 7am.

5:30 in a parking lot sounds rough.

My wife and mother-in-law have fond memories of 80's aerobics classes. They both taught the classes for a while. Still have the cassette tape mixes they used.

"Let's get physical..."
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
Oh, I did 1980s aerobic classes a la Jane Fonda. I followed that up with step aerobic classes.

The trouble I had with that form of exercise was that the enjoyment varied wildly based on the instructor and his/her music choices. As soon as I got in a groove with someone, they moved on and the new gal liked disco music or something.

And yes, 5:30 in a parking lot is rough. But outdoor exercise does have certain advantages. No gym rat smells, for instance. And I do think the outside air helped me overcome asthma.
 

Talker

Hall of Fame
I tried the early mornings workout.
I figured that with no food my body had nothing to lose but fat.

What happened after 6 weeks, I never lost a pound, I was within a pound of starting weight. The workout was a quick circuit of weights on machines and then 30 min on the treadmill.
I thought I gained some muscle but my waist size was exactly the same, about 41 inches. Probably gained some muscle and lost some fat not in the waist area.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
^I've never thought that morning workouts would be better or worse for weight loss.

For me, it is simply more practical. When I tried to work out over lunch hour, after work, or before bed, something always got in the way. Not to mention how you wind up showering twice daily (and if at work, that includes a second round of hair and make-up). After work meant battling traffic.

Now, all I have to do is get out of bed when the alarm goes off. Not so hard, really. There's no traffic at that hour, no bosses running in demanding this or that, no kids demanding this or that, no husband demanding this or that. Just get up and go exercise.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
What happened after 6 weeks, I never lost a pound, I was within a pound of starting weight. The workout was a quick circuit of weights on machines and then 30 min on the treadmill.
I thought I gained some muscle but my waist size was exactly the same, about 41 inches. Probably gained some muscle and lost some fat not in the waist area.

Ya, that's gotta be it.

No, wait. I think there is even a simpler explanation.................
 
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