drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
and who??? other than posters like you are bringing that point of view into this discussion???
Lost respect for Gonzlez today
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and who??? other than posters like you are bringing that point of view into this discussion???
If this had happened to Nadal you would be the first one screaming, especially if Nadal lost. (No it hasn't happened, but if it did, you know what you would do). I'm not a Blake fan, but I am a fan of integrity. And YES!!!! YOU DO GIVE UP POINTS!! I bet you stole candy from your sister and blamed it on your brother.
oranges
Hall of Fame
You think trying to push yourself to the QF of a tournament by administrative gymnastics and push another player out is an example of sportsmanship or are we restricted to a few minutes surrounding to disputable point? Making a fuss about a shot to the body, as he did earlier in this particular match, while doing the same on the controversial shot is not exactly good grounds for his whining either.
Bud
Bionic Poster
Both of you have zero integrity based on your posts. I don't care who was playing whom. When a ball strikes your racquet and goes out... YOU hit the ball out... NOT the guy who initially hit the ball toward you. If you can't play the game fairly, don't play. Gonzo has to live with the fact he's a cheater and everyone knows it based on his response during the incident and the video. He's a liar (stated he wasn't sure if it hit his racquet) and a cheater. End of story.
Bud
Bionic Poster
So, what you're saying is that cheating is OK with you. I'm sure there are even more Gonzos in the world of tennis as many on this board have proved. There are cheaters and there are those who try and maintain their integrity. Gonzo is a cheater and a liar.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
I did not see the earlier incident that you speak of, so I cannot comment to that point. However, I did witness the controversial racket-deflection shot late in the 3rd set.
As I recall, Blake had to hustle to get to the soft shot played by Gonzo at the net. It was not a well-executed drop shot by Gonzo but Blake did have to rush over to the ball to make his reply. He did not appear to have a whole lot of options -- getting the ball back was his primary objective. It did not appear at all that he was maliciously trying to peg Gonzo with the ball. Blake appeared as if he was trying to pass Gonzo or elicit a weak response rather than blasting directly at the body.
oranges
Hall of Fame
Funny how you ask a question, but when you don't like the answer you disregard it as if nothing happened. Are you telling me someone who tries to muscle his way into a QF at the expense of another player is an example of integrity? You can't have it both ways, either you need to be critical of all unsportsmanship behavior or you need to keep silent. Otherwise, you're also just a sore loser.
Bud
Bionic Poster
Again, this is about Gonzalez. You continue to deflect it away from him while making excuses for his bad behavior and poor sportsmanship.
oranges
Hall of Fame
Nadal_Freak
Banned
I've gained respect for Gonzo today. He is a true warrior and Nadal had to play some incredible tennis to beat Gonzo today. Too bad for him as this might be his last chance to win something big.
SystemicAnomaly
Bionic Poster
Look at the title of this thread. Your criticisms in this post make no sense.
No doubt, Gonzo is a fierce competitor with many admirable qualities. He is not an inherently evil player, but he did make a highly questionable decision to keep quiet in his match against Blake. Altho' I would characterize his inaction in that particular case as "cheating", I would not rush to judgment and brand him as a chronic cheater.
oranges
Hall of Fame
What doesn't make sense is that constantly reiterated argument "I don't care if Blake won or lost, it's about sportsmanship and principles" and than disregarding anything else that falls in the same category. It simply cannot be just about one case, either each time something like this happens it's reprehensible or it's not, there's no other way. Hysteria over the entire case makes also very little sense, but have it your own way.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
LOL. Nadal beat him easily.
And, NO! Gonzo did not play as well as he did last year at the Australian.
M
Morrissey
Guest
Ha! Are you kidding? He was lucky to have gotten any medal. He was also lucky that he wasn´t also in the same half as Nadal Joker or else he wouldn´t have gotten far enough to battle for one. I won´t even mention that Blake match. Gonzo had no shot vs Nadal today. What he did in Australia 2007 was his ¨Tsonga Moment¨. He will never play tennis like that ever again.
Shame on Gonzo for not calling the touch, if he did in fact feel it.
Still, am I the only one that is tired of the Blake whining at every press release? Recall his comments at the French after he was out hit by an up and coming Gulbis? Blamed his loss on trying to play the way his critics say he should play...
Still, am I the only one that is tired of the Blake whining at every press release? Recall his comments at the French after he was out hit by an up and coming Gulbis? Blamed his loss on trying to play the way his critics say he should play...
tlm
G.O.A.T.
Good point gunbuster, if in fact he did feel it. I love the way everyone here knows that gonzo felt the ball. Then i have heard that if he didnt feel it he would have heard it. Do you really think it is that quiet with all the fans there that he could have heard it.
Blake is a certified choker+crybaby, so he has to make his lame excuses like he has done in the past.But to badmouth gonzo like that shows he has no class.
Blake is a certified choker+crybaby, so he has to make his lame excuses like he has done in the past.But to badmouth gonzo like that shows he has no class.
Lucy Brown
New User
Gained respect for Gonzo? Cheater that lost in straight sets for the gold? From reading your prior posts your obviously a newb, arent you?
Lucy Brown
New User
Gonzo is the one with no class for not calling the touch. Whats Blake supposed to make pretend it didnt happen. You guys make me laugh. Have you guys ever played an organized match or are you just hackers at the local park. I'm no fan of Blake. This isnt about Blake losing the match. It's about integrity of the game which Gonzo obviously has none. This is like a guy kicking his golf ball out of the rough when nobody is looking. It's bush league at any level. You guys probably think it's ok to cheat at solitaire.
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Tikiman53
Guest
Everyone cheats. It's just something that all humans eventually give in to. But that definitely doesn't make it right. Gonzo made a mistake. Who knows what really happened. Maybe he truly did not feel it or maybe he felt it and he's a lying scumbag. But then again, he could also be a normal human being who simply made a mistake. No one can really pass any judgment on anyone until the facts are clear. But if Gonzo really knew the ball hit his racket, then that's a shame because even if he is a normal human being like all of us, he had the honor of representing his people in a prestigious tournament. As an athlete, it's his responsibility to play by the rules and put etiquette and fair play in front of victory. If he indeed played dumb to save his butt, then he has shown the world that he can blast a ball over a net but he can't put integrity above winning.
It sucks for both Blake and Gonzo. It sucks that their Olympic experiences have to be tinged by such an event. And I'm disappointed that Gonzo cheated, if he did at all.
It sucks for both Blake and Gonzo. It sucks that their Olympic experiences have to be tinged by such an event. And I'm disappointed that Gonzo cheated, if he did at all.
Il Mostro
Banned
Did you watch the match? His body language after the first set was that of a loser. He quit and went through the motions. So, he's a cheater and a quitter. Not much to be admired.
tlm
G.O.A.T.
Dear lucy brown, to answer your question yes i have played in tournaments+i play in a usta league. What does that have to do with anything? But now that you bring it up lets talk about the usta tennis leagues. Which appears to me to stand for the united states cheaters association.
You know were many of the players lie about their rating + play down so they can win.Or take a year of so they can sandbag the next season. Ya the official tennis really shows me a lot about being honest.
As matter of fact i would love to know of how many hear that are accusing gonzo of cheating, have ever sandbagged in a league or tournament.
As the poster above pointed out IF gonzo knew it hit his racquet. That is one of the points of this debate, except for so many hear that have esp, nobody knows for sure that gonzo knows he touched the ball.
Again i will point out that in the heat of battle in a split second, maybe gonzo thought i might have touched the ball. But then again he wasnt sure so he didnt concede the point. I dont think that justifies calling him a cheater+scumbag.
It is the umpires responsibility to make the call, not gonzos. I love the way everyone here makes out tennis players to be above every other athlete competing in a sport.That is so arrogant, because they are tennis players they are better than everyone else.
They are human beings in a high pressure situation, they are not perfect little tennis nerds that according to many hear never make a mistake+are above doing anything wrong at anytime.
That is a bunch of bs, unlike most here i dont know if gonzo lied or not. But even if he did think it touched+did not admit it i dont think that deserves the thrashing that he is receiving.
You know were many of the players lie about their rating + play down so they can win.Or take a year of so they can sandbag the next season. Ya the official tennis really shows me a lot about being honest.
As matter of fact i would love to know of how many hear that are accusing gonzo of cheating, have ever sandbagged in a league or tournament.
As the poster above pointed out IF gonzo knew it hit his racquet. That is one of the points of this debate, except for so many hear that have esp, nobody knows for sure that gonzo knows he touched the ball.
Again i will point out that in the heat of battle in a split second, maybe gonzo thought i might have touched the ball. But then again he wasnt sure so he didnt concede the point. I dont think that justifies calling him a cheater+scumbag.
It is the umpires responsibility to make the call, not gonzos. I love the way everyone here makes out tennis players to be above every other athlete competing in a sport.That is so arrogant, because they are tennis players they are better than everyone else.
They are human beings in a high pressure situation, they are not perfect little tennis nerds that according to many hear never make a mistake+are above doing anything wrong at anytime.
That is a bunch of bs, unlike most here i dont know if gonzo lied or not. But even if he did think it touched+did not admit it i dont think that deserves the thrashing that he is receiving.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Did you watch the match? Nadal won but not like I expected it. I didn't expect Gonzo to consistently hit great forehands and serving big. He played lights out for a set in a half. Starting from 0-3 to 6-6 in the second set. Nadal just wore him down with incredibly aggressive shots as well as being clutch. I consider this the best hardcourt match Nadal ever played.
Lucy Brown
New User
As matter of fact i would love to know of how many hear that are accusing gonzo of cheating, have ever sandbagged in a league or tournament.
Know all about it. Dont understand what satisfaction you would get by sandbagging and winning. To me it's like an adult cheating at shoots and ladders to beat a couple of 8 year olds. Playing in the Olympics, representing your country is not a local 3.0 USTA match at the local high school though.
It is the umpires responsibility to make the call, not gonzos. I love the way everyone here makes out tennis players to be above every other athlete competing in a sport.That is so arrogant, because they are tennis players they are better than everyone else.
I disagree here, it IS Gonzos responsibilty to call a touched ball. This is not Football, Soccer or Baseball where you let a ref make a bad call or no call. In Soccer the phantom penality is a reality of the game. Guys are always taking dives and faking injuries. In baseball if an umpire calls a strike on a pitch that was a ball the pitcher doesnt say "excuse me ump but that wasnt a strike, please change it to a ball". Tennis and Golf are quite different in that there are calls that have to be made by the player. It's not ok to break a rule or a law just because the person in charge of applying said rules or laws doesnt do his or her job. It's not ok to take the wrong change from the cashier just because the cashier counted your change back to you incorrectly.
That is a bunch of bs, unlike most here i dont know if gonzo lied or not. But even if he did think it touched+did not admit it i dont think that deserves the thrashing that he is receiving.
The reason he is getting trashed is because this is a lowly thing to do in tennis. Everybody at my local racquet club seems to agree. Not that my club is better than anybody elses but nobody that I have talked to thinks it's no big deal. Many believe that Blake didnt and shouldnt have lost becuase of that point including myself but all the players and pros thought it was bush league thing to do and nobody at my club has poo pooed it like some of you have.
Know all about it. Dont understand what satisfaction you would get by sandbagging and winning. To me it's like an adult cheating at shoots and ladders to beat a couple of 8 year olds. Playing in the Olympics, representing your country is not a local 3.0 USTA match at the local high school though.
It is the umpires responsibility to make the call, not gonzos. I love the way everyone here makes out tennis players to be above every other athlete competing in a sport.That is so arrogant, because they are tennis players they are better than everyone else.
I disagree here, it IS Gonzos responsibilty to call a touched ball. This is not Football, Soccer or Baseball where you let a ref make a bad call or no call. In Soccer the phantom penality is a reality of the game. Guys are always taking dives and faking injuries. In baseball if an umpire calls a strike on a pitch that was a ball the pitcher doesnt say "excuse me ump but that wasnt a strike, please change it to a ball". Tennis and Golf are quite different in that there are calls that have to be made by the player. It's not ok to break a rule or a law just because the person in charge of applying said rules or laws doesnt do his or her job. It's not ok to take the wrong change from the cashier just because the cashier counted your change back to you incorrectly.
That is a bunch of bs, unlike most here i dont know if gonzo lied or not. But even if he did think it touched+did not admit it i dont think that deserves the thrashing that he is receiving.
The reason he is getting trashed is because this is a lowly thing to do in tennis. Everybody at my local racquet club seems to agree. Not that my club is better than anybody elses but nobody that I have talked to thinks it's no big deal. Many believe that Blake didnt and shouldnt have lost becuase of that point including myself but all the players and pros thought it was bush league thing to do and nobody at my club has poo pooed it like some of you have.
some6uy008
Semi-Pro
I seriously love how people come in and basically make the excuse "People cheat all the time, I don't see why people are making a big deal here." Tennis and golf place more responsibility on the players than other sports. Because a few players lack integrity, it doesn't mean the game should lower the bar to make it the norm.
tlm
G.O.A.T.
I am not making the excuse that people cheat all the time. Nobody here knows if gonzo really did cheat, if you can even call that cheating. If he did do what everyone seems to think, it was one time.
But i know tennis players are above everyone else so none of them would ever do this. By the way dont compare golf+tennis please.Tennis is a sport, golf is not!!!!!!!!!!!
But i know tennis players are above everyone else so none of them would ever do this. By the way dont compare golf+tennis please.Tennis is a sport, golf is not!!!!!!!!!!!
Atherton2003
Hall of Fame
I think Blake already forgot about this...why can't everyone else?
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Epic fail my friend! Gonzo played splendid tennis in the first 2 sets and did everything he humanly could to try and hang on in the third set. He deserves only kudos for his brave and gutsy performance against a practically invincible player at the moment. He never gave up and he has all my respect for this.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I agree with you. The level of tennis they played today was incredibly high.
Bud
Bionic Poster
How many times does it need to be pounded into your tiny brain that James Blake is not my favorite player? So, your comment concerning sportsmanship is bogus and inaccurate.
Repeatedly, you continue to deflect the real issue by creating a smoke screen because you can't address the issue properly.
Bud
Bionic Poster
There ya go. Perfectly stated.
I love the solitaire statement. If you know you cheated are you really happy winning?
Bud
Bionic Poster
Again, great statement.
Is victory really satisfying when the price of admission is one's integrity?
some6uy008
Semi-Pro
I see more smoke
edmondsm
Legend
Wow do you miss the point. The point was, as I read it, if people cheat when the stakes are so low then of course they will when the stakes are high.
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I don't know which pro tennis you've been watching, not the one I have. When is a player in pro tennis required to make a call? The challenge system doesn't apply here so you are completely, without a doubt, wrong.
Oooooo you're local sewing circle thinks Gonzo is a cheater. Well, case closed guys. Do you or any of your friend have proof that Gonzo knew he touched that ball. I didn't think so.
oranges
Hall of Fame
Go back to previous posts and make some arguments there, otherwise enjoy the holy crusade convinced that you're addressing everything that needs to be addressed. Bye.
some6uy008
Semi-Pro
I have been addressing your arguments, and I have gone over your arguments. You are the one who sounds like a broken record in all your post and never acknowledge other people's point.
As for the "holy crusade" I'm really disappointed that integrity to you is such an impossible task that no one should be expected to live up to such expectation.
edberg505
Legend
Yup, that's pretty much what I saw. Once he went down 2 sets forget about it. He just swung for the hills and hoped it went it.
oranges
Hall of Fame
You haven't addressed a single one, broken record indeed. I have no desire to continue reading, let alone participating in this schizophrenic jumping from integrity talk to "stinking cheater, let's hang him if possible" talk, as you see fit depending on the post you pretend to be replying to. If you read my posts, you'd realize that I never questioned the integrity part, though I argued that Blake who whines about the lack of one in his opponent also failed in that respect both in the past and in this particular match. It's the second part that I find highly exaggerated and hysteric reaction. Feel free to jump on that train again.
