Lost respect for Gonzlez today

No he didn't. It is the umpire's job to make calls, not Gonzalez's. Gonzalez is in no way cheating by sticking to playing points rather than calling the match himself.

Also, don't overestimate how easy is to do the right thing when you really, really want to succeed.

What if the umpire calls the score wrong...calling it 3-1 for you instead of 1-3...should you mention anything? Your argument is ridiculous, immature and oviously quite unsportsmanlike...but why should I be suprised considering how many people there are out there who call the lines and closer out...one or two of those people have to be posting on here as well...
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
I dont think its possible to hit the ball and not realise just because hes tired. The ball should feel the same if hes tired or not.

Yes, he was exhausted. Fortunately, Blake was even more exhausted.

They were playing at about 3% of capacity.
 

Ossric

Semi-Pro
It appears that even people who don't like Rafa will be rooting for him on Sunday....

I am not a Rafa fan, but you're right. I'm less of a cheater's fan.

Kills me that Rafa has taken #1 from Roger, but you have to give credit where credit is due, and if Rafa continues like this, he might very well hold all 4 Major titles and the Olympic title at the same time next year at the AO.

I don't see Federer defending the USO with the form he's given us this year and Rafa has not shown that hard courts are going to give him fits, nor has he really been showing signs of slowing down or knee problems.
 

alienhamster

Hall of Fame
Americans don't care when their rude spectators call balls out from the stands in order to give American players an unfair advantage. Ask Nalbandian.
:rolleyes: Andy had no control over that. It was Nalbandian's mistake. It was unfortunate, yes, but in no way comparable to the Gonzo thing today.
 
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joke-a-vich

Rookie
Geez... You have never played in the Olympics and been in that situation. So, you should not be sitting in your glass house throwing rocks.

Blake didn't lose the match from one point. Get over it!

even though he didn't lose the match off that point, I am almost certain he lost his focus because of it, and that loses matches.
 

Atherton2003

Hall of Fame
He has to re-focus - like Nadal does - that's the difference between a #1 player and a "2nd tier player".....top players "find" ways to win under unfair circumstances.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
"Playing in the Olympics, in what's supposed to be considered a gentleman's sport, that's a time to call it on yourself. Fernando looked me square in the eye and didn't call it," Blake said.
"That's a disappointing way to exit the tournament when you not only lose the match, but you lose a little faith in your fellow competitor," he added.


"Wah wah wah....I lost only because of that single point. Wah wah wah.."

Did you even see the point in question or Blake's post-game interview? You can't go by what you've read or heard 2nd hand. Your characterization of the situation is absurd. Blake handled the situation with a lot of class (during the match and in his interview). Who would have said nothing in the same situation -- you?

On your following point: I, like Blake, find it difficult to believe that Gonzo unknowingly touched the ball. Even if he was so tired that he didn't feel the touch, as Gonzo claims, he must have heard it.


Gonzo cheated. I can't believe he's trying to deny it...

That said Blake should have just got on with it and won the match. This just gives him an excuse.

even though he didn't lose the match off that point, I am almost certain he lost his focus because of it, and that loses matches.

I agree with thus last statement. Blake did a good job of trying to put the injustice behind him and play on. Watch the rest of the match to confirm this. I don't believe that I would have been able to handle it as well as he did -- I don't believe that most people would. The situation must have weighed on his mind despite his best efforts to keep playing.

I was really amazed that Blake shook hands with Gonzo at the end of the match -- he is a better man than I.

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Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Saw the re-play on NBC. Thought this was controversial to just the stringheads here but no, the world is watching. Gonzo will forever feel the wrath of what couldabeen.
 

snr

Semi-Pro
I only read the first 2 pages and watched the youtube video.

I'd say for sure he'd feel it. I mean, hes a pro, he would be 1. watching the ball the whole time.

and 2. again these guys are pros, the ball is fast enough that one would feel an impact.
 

coloskier

Legend
No he didn't. It is the umpire's job to make calls, not Gonzalez's. Gonzalez is in no way cheating by sticking to playing points rather than calling the match himself.

Also, don't overestimate how easy is to do the right thing when you really, really want to succeed.

Actually, you are VERY wrong!! It is definitely Gonzalez's job to make the call. The rulebook states very clearly that if you felt the ball hit your racket, you are immediately to tell that you did.
 

coloskier

Legend
There are 2 distinctive types of cheating.

1. Calling your opponents shot out while it is in.

2. Unknowingly touching the ball that was definitely going out and not being sure whether you touched it.

Blake should know the difference before crying a river.

Did you even see the point? When a ball gets deflected like it did, you definitely felt it.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
I have never heard so much crying over one point. Is blake claiming because of the first point on gonzos serve made the difference of the match.

Please give me a break, blake is a crybaby+a choker. Now he is going to rip his opponent after the match because of 1 point that nobody knows for sure if gonzo really felt it hit his racquet.

I am sorry but anyone who plays tennis knows there are going to be a few calls here or there that are wrong. Big frigging deal, get over it+play the match. I dont know who is worse blake or all the people here sticking up for this weak excuse for a loss.

Was this also the reason blake lost while up 40-love? I suppose this was still such a shocking display of cheating that blake could not get over it.

I really dont know for sure if gonzo felt that shot or not, unlike everybody here who knows for a fact it was cheating.But even if he did know it glanced his racquet, big deal.

It was 1 point, if blake was not such a choker he could have easily still won. It just proves that blake is not that good+he cant come through when it counts. So now he has to cry like the big baby that he is because he got beat+choked away another match.
 

Char

Rookie
It was poor sportsmanship on Gonzalez's part if he felt the shot, and one assumes he did, but it wasn't cheating. Also, the match didnt turn on that point alone, and its Blake's fault if he lingered on it and let it affect him. That said, I'd like to think most players would have been honest about it and intervened personally to the chair.
 

arnz

Professional
I have never heard so much crying over one point. Is blake claiming because of the first point on gonzos serve made the difference of the match.

Please give me a break, blake is a crybaby+a choker. Now he is going to rip his opponent after the match because of 1 point that nobody knows for sure if gonzo really felt it hit his racquet.

I am sorry but anyone who plays tennis knows there are going to be a few calls here or there that are wrong. Big frigging deal, get over it+play the match. I dont know who is worse blake or all the people here sticking up for this weak excuse for a loss.

Was this also the reason blake lost while up 40-love? I suppose this was still such a shocking display of cheating that blake could not get over it.

I really dont know for sure if gonzo felt that shot or not, unlike everybody here who knows for a fact it was cheating.But even if he did know it glanced his racquet, big deal.

It was 1 point, if blake was not such a choker he could have easily still won. It just proves that blake is not that good+he cant come through when it counts. So now he has to cry like the big baby that he is because he got beat+choked away another match.


You dont really know what people are upset about. I could care less if Blake won or loss. You have no idea about honesty or integrity. I dont care if Gonzo was winning 6-0 5-0 40-love and then did that. The fact that he did it says a lot about him. And the fact that so many condone it says a lot about them.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Okay arnz what makes you the expert on honesty+integrity? How do you know for a fact that gonzo knew that the ball hit his racquet?

Speaking of honesty+integrity, blake showed a lot of that in his post match interview. What a wimpy crybaby, sounds like a poor loser.

I dont care what sport it is, in the heat of battle anything can happen.Quit with all this tennis is above that bs. Anytime there is a tough match going on everybody is not going be perfect all the time.

And unlike most here i dont know for sure if he knew that the ball hit his racquet Even if he did it does not justify blake being a big baby+making excuses.

Also it definitely does not justify the complete trashing of gonzo.Get off your high horse+cut the tennis is above all other sports, because it is not.

It shows a lot of arrogance to think that people in the heat of the moment are always going to do the right thing.These are people out there, not programmed tennis nerds.
 

oranges

Hall of Fame
You dont really know what people are upset about. I could care less if Blake won or loss. You have no idea about honesty or integrity. I dont care if Gonzo was winning 6-0 5-0 40-love and then did that. The fact that he did it says a lot about him. And the fact that so many condone it says a lot about them.

I'm really tired of this topic, but since it persists as the hottest one I'll chip in again. Let's have a thread devoted to just instances of players not conceding a point for which it can reasonably be said they were aware were called wrong. How many players do you think would appear and how often? Should we start a crusade against all of them because we'll be quite busy on many different fronts.
The fact that this particular case is singled out clearly indicates that it is not irrelevant who the participants were as you claim. Otherwise, we would see hot topics like this at least once a week. Bad rulings happen, players do not concede points more often than not, those erred against move on and do not whine pathetically. If you want to avoid cases like that, the best bet is to advocate replay for the umpire to make better rulings, rather than opine that most players will not rule against themselves on their own in the heat of the moment.
Finally, once again, Blake is not the one with the moral high ground for sportsmanship since he failed in that respect all on his own. He has as much right to it as Gonzo from now on. So if I hear him one more time say something along the lines I don't know how he can sleep, he will definitely make my short list of absolutely despised players. For me, that kind of hypocrisy beats mere opportunism, even if hte latter were without mitigating circumstances.
 

Lucy Brown

New User
I'm US born with parents that are Chilean born. I think it's a disgrace what this guy did. Especially in an Olympic tournement. He's not just representing himself here, it's an entire nation. I would have liked to see this guy win the Gold now I hope Nadal kicks the snot out of him. There is no way your going to convince me that he didnt feel the ball hit the racquet. This is a world class athlete not some 2nd rate tennis pro at the local racquet club. Lets face it every one knows (may not be willing to admit) that they know instantly when a ball hits thier racquet. I've played thousands of games and have never ever had a ball hit my racquet and not been aware of it. Just because you may have a legit arguement that Blake didnt lose the match because of this one point doesnt make what Gonzalez did any less bush league. I hope the crowd lays into this creep at the Open.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
People cheat all the time, not just in tennis but everywhere. It's very embarrassing and people who know Gonzo will know that he cheated which is really a loss for him. But it seems to me such things are usually forgotten very quickly by the general public and media. It's sad but true it seems - society nowadays remembers only winners and forgets the loser even whey they cheat. On top of that when "winners" start becoming "losers" people start insulting the former "winner" and the vicious cycle continues. It's a tough world out there ... Shame on Gonzalez (if he did cheat - which seems to be the case) and deep respect to Blake for shaking his hand after the game.

I disagree. Just like the Henin flap from the 2003 FO... it will be talked about whenever another situation like this arises, in the future. He should have just fessed up to his error when it occurred and played on.

Now, this transgression will follow him for the remainder of his tennis career and beyond. When he looks at his silver medal through time, he will be reminded of his own dishonesty and poor sportmanship. That's his burden and he's got no choice now but to carry it around in the form of a silver disk.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
I'm really tired of this topic, but since it persists as the hottest one I'll chip in again. Let's have a thread devoted to just instances of players not conceding a point for which it can reasonably be said they were aware were called wrong. How many players do you think would appear and how often? Should we start a crusade against all of them because we'll be quite busy on many different fronts.
The fact that this particular case is singled out clearly indicates that it is not irrelevant who the participants were as you claim. Otherwise, we would see hot topics like this at least once a week. Bad rulings happen, players do not concede points more often than not, those erred against move on and do not whine pathetically. If you want to avoid cases like that, the best bet is to advocate replay for the umpire to make better rulings, rather than opine that most players will not rule against themselves on their own in the heat of the moment.
Finally, once again, Blake is not the one with the moral high ground for sportsmanship since he failed in that respect all on his own. He has as much right to it as Gonzo from now on. So if I hear him one more time say something along the lines I don't know how he can sleep, he will definitely make my short list of absolutely despised players. For me, that kind of hypocrisy beats mere opportunism, even if hte latter were without mitigating circumstances.

How did Blake fail for sportsmanship? He gave Gonzo the opportunity to admit what he did and Gonzo looked him in the face and lied. I think Blake handled it well. IMO, Gonzo's lucky Blake shook his hand after the match. Blatant cheaters disgust me.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm US born with parents that are Chilean born. I think it's a disgrace what this guy did. Especially in an Olympic tournement. He's not just representing himself here, it's an entire nation. I would have liked to see this guy win the Gold now I hope Nadal kicks the snot out of him. There is no way your going to convince me that he didnt feel the ball hit the racquet. This is a world class athlete not some 2nd rate tennis pro at the local racquet club. Lets face it every one knows (may not be willing to admit) that they know instantly when a ball hits thier racquet. I've played thousands of games and have never ever had a ball hit my racquet and not been aware of it. Just because you may have a legit arguement that Blake didnt lose the match because of this one point doesnt make what Gonzalez did any less bush league. I hope the crowd lays into this creep at the Open.

Well said! I agree. I like Gonzo, and hope he plays well against Nadal, bu what he did was classless.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I have never heard so much crying over one point. Is blake claiming because of the first point on gonzos serve made the difference of the match.

Please give me a break, blake is a crybaby+a choker. Now he is going to rip his opponent after the match because of 1 point that nobody knows for sure if gonzo really felt it hit his racquet.

I am sorry but anyone who plays tennis knows there are going to be a few calls here or there that are wrong. Big frigging deal, get over it+play the match. I dont know who is worse blake or all the people here sticking up for this weak excuse for a loss.

Was this also the reason blake lost while up 40-love? I suppose this was still such a shocking display of cheating that blake could not get over it.

I really dont know for sure if gonzo felt that shot or not, unlike everybody here who knows for a fact it was cheating.But even if he did know it glanced his racquet, big deal.

It was 1 point, if blake was not such a choker he could have easily still won. It just proves that blake is not that good+he cant come through when it counts. So now he has to cry like the big baby that he is because he got beat+choked away another match.
I agree that the complaining about this is way over the top. It was up to the umpire to notice it and make the right decision. You can't ask a player to deliberately renounce a point in a match of that magnitude especially since after all Blake's ball WAS going out. People should be mad at the umpire if he made a bad call. It's crazy to expect Gonzo to volunteer to lose the point IMO.
 
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drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
I agree that the complaining about this is way over the top. It was up to the umpire to notice it and make the right decision. You can't ask a player to deliberately renounce a point in a match of that magnitude especially since after all Blake's ball WAS going out. People should be made at the umpire if he made a bad call. It's crazy to expect Gonzo to volunteer to lose the point IMO.

I guess along with your lack of math skills, you were also never taught anything about honesty. Would hate to have to play you tennis, and have to rely on your integrity to call the shots on your side of the court.
 

edberg505

Legend
I sooooooo hope Gonzo pounds Nadal. Vamos Gonzo. You did nothing wrong. And since he did nothing wrong I hope he wins!!! VAMOS!!!
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
I sooooooo hope Gonzo pounds Nadal. Vamos Gonzo. You did nothing wrong. And since he did nothing wrong I hope he wins!!! VAMOS!!!

LOL,I don't think they would be so understanding if Gonzo did the same thing while playing against Nadal,IMO he would be crucified then.But I don't think there's much a chance of Gonzo pounding Nadal,I think Nadal will take this one in straights.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I guess along with your lack of math skills, you were also never taught anything about honesty. Would hate to have to play you tennis, and have to rely on your integrity to call the shots on your side of the court.
That's why they have umpires!! As another poster said you really think Blake never took advantage of a wrong call knowingly? I've seen it happen time and again, I don't think it's fair Gonzo should be singled out just because his opponent happens to be an American like the commentators. I also do not believe that shot determined the match (it wasn't a break point or a game point). I've seen umpires' errors much much worse than this one on break or set point.
 

Atherton2003

Hall of Fame
I think lots of people are Blake fans and wanted to see him win....would ya'll be complaining like this if the "bad" call went against Nadal and he cried like a baby and dispraged his opponent on national t.v. afterwards or would you say he was being a sore sport???
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I sooooooo hope Gonzo pounds Nadal. Vamos Gonzo. You did nothing wrong. And since he did nothing wrong I hope he wins!!! VAMOS!!!
You would have rooted against Nadal no matter what, so it's not like it's gonna make a big difference...It's OK, we'll be more numerous cheering for Rafa, we won't be affected by a few enemies (neither will Rafa!)
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
That's why they have umpires!!

Umpires are people. And they can't see everything. Players are aloud to overrule, and give the point to the opponent. It happens all the time in tennis (including the pros). Its called honesty, and having integrity. being a good sport. But it is obvious you wouldn't know about that.

Society also has police. I suppose you would be fine with it, if your car was stolen in front of you,and you know the person, then the police tell you>>> we didn't see it so unless the criminal confesses, we can't do anything about it.
 

edberg505

Legend
That's why they have umpires!! As another poster said you really think Blake never took advantage of a wrong call knowingly? I've seen it happen time and again, I don't think it's fair Gonzo should be singled out just because his opponent happens to be an American like the commentators. I also do not believe that shot determined the match (it wasn't a break point or a game point). I've seen umpires' errors much much worse than this one on break or set point.

So you are saying that it's basically ok to cheat as long as the umpire doesn't see it? You may not want to respond to that because the IRS may just may decide to audit you. No, one point doesn't make the match. But here's the deal for people who don't really play tennis. He ran down all of those balls just to stay in the point. The last ball he runs down and hit's to Gonzo to make him play it. I mean he ran it down to force an error from him. Blake got the error and Gonzo just stands there and says, no you didn't. Well, hell, why did I just run down all those shots then? Seriously, have you guys ever played competitive tennis at all? No, that one point in particular wasn't the deciding factor of the match. But it was his point. So he goes back to return serve after running down a shot that was his point just to start back over and gain nothing from all the running, when he clearly did. I think I'm in Bizarro World.

LOL,I don't think they would be so understanding if Gonzo did the same thing while playing against Nadal,IMO he would be crucified then.But I don't think there's much a chance of Gonzo pounding Nadal,I think Nadal will take this one in straights.
Oh man they would scream bloody murder and yell, "Off with his head".

The final must really suck for you. Your 2 least liked players against each other. :D

Nope, I didn't have any problem with Gonzo until he pulled this sneak underhanded move. But since he did nothing wrong I guess I'm fine with him. I sooooo hope Gonzo wins. I bet everyone one saying there was nothing wrong will then change their collective tunes.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
LOL,I don't think they would be so understanding if Gonzo did the same thing while playing against Nadal,IMO he would be crucified then.But I don't think there's much a chance of Gonzo pounding Nadal,I think Nadal will take this one in straights.
Actually something very unfair happened to Rafa at Wimbledon at the end of the first set against Gulbis. He returned a drop shot with a winner but the umpire gave the point to Gulbis because he claimed the ball had bounced twice. The replay made it extremely clear that the ball had only bounced once and that Nadal had got there with plenty of time to hit it. It would have given him break point. Nadal was mad but he regrouped very quickly and managed to win the match. Those situations are bound to happen and it's part of the job to find ways to handle or overcome them even though it's never pleasant.
 
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edberg505

Legend
I think lots of people are Blake fans and wanted to see him win....would ya'll be complaining like this if the "bad" call went against Nadal and he cried like a baby and dispraged his opponent on national t.v. afterwards or would you say he was being a sore sport???

If it happend to Nadal it's still called cheating. It doesn't matter who he does it against. Cheating is cheating. I don't care if it happend to Alex Bogomolov or Radek Stepanek, and I can't stand those guys, it's called cheating.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Umpires are people. And they can't see everything. Players are aloud to overrule, and give the point to the opponent. It happens all the time in tennis (including the pros). Its called honesty, and having integrity. being a good sport. But it is obvious you wouldn't know about that.

Society also has police. I suppose you would be fine with it, if your car was stolen in front of you,and you know the person, then the police tell you>>> we didn't see it so unless the criminal confesses, we can't do anything about it.
Yes it happens(extreme honesty), but if it doesn't using it as an excuse for losing is not a noble behavior either. Chances are some of your opponents are gonna act like Gonzo (and no the police aren't going to arrest them) and in that case it's your duty to take the high road and show your class by either putting it behind you and focus enough to win the match anyway or if you lose, take responsability for the loss without blaming it entirely on a wrong call (whether your opponent was a party to it or not)
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
Actually something very unfair happened to Rafa at Wimbledon at the end of the first set against Gulbis. He returned a drop shot with a winner but the umpire gave the point to Gulbis because he claimed the ball had bounced twice. The replay made it extremely clear that the ball had only bounced once and that Nadal had god there with plenty of time to hit it. It would have given him break point. Nadal was mad but he regrouped very quickly and managed to win the match. Those situations are bound to happen and it's part of the job to find ways to handle or overcome them even though it's never pleasant.
Blake was asking too much from Gonzo or anyone. You just don't give up points. Blake also overreacted about Gonzo hitting him in the chest. Now Gonzo has to deal with guilt and hate from fans he doesn't deserve.
 

edberg505

Legend
Yes it happens(extreme honesty), but if it doesn't using it as an excuse for losing is not a noble behavior either. Chances are some of your opponents are gonna act like Gonzo (and no the police aren't going to arrest them) and in that case it's your duty to take the high road and show your class by either putting it behind you and focus enough to win the match anyway or if you lose, take responsability for the loss without blaming it entirely on a wrong call (whether your opponent was a party to it or not)

I have not seen any evidence of this yet. Please provide it.
 

Alley Cat

Rookie
I think lots of people are Blake fans and wanted to see him win....would ya'll be complaining like this if the "bad" call went against Nadal and he cried like a baby and dispraged his opponent on national t.v. afterwards or would you say he was being a sore sport???

I'm no Blake apologist by a longshot. If the "bad" call went against Nadal, Fed, Roddick, or some qualifier I would say the same thing. Gonzalez was a dbag and should have had the integrity and class to admit that he hit the ball. I'm a fan of tennis, not anyone particular player, and Gonzo acted like a jerk. Why, "ya'll" think that only Blake fans were p.o.'d about it?
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
So you are saying that it's basically ok to cheat as long as the umpire doesn't see it? You may not want to respond to that because the IRS may just may decide to audit you. No, one point doesn't make the match. But here's the deal for people who don't really play tennis. He ran down all of those balls just to stay in the point. The last ball he runs down and hit's to Gonzo to make him play it. I mean he ran it down to force an error from him. Blake got the error and Gonzo just stands there and says, no you didn't. Well, hell, why did I just run down all those shots then? Seriously, have you guys ever played competitive tennis at all? No, that one point in particular wasn't the deciding factor of the match. But it was his point. So he goes back to return serve after running down a shot that was his point just to start back over and gain nothing from all the running, when he clearly did. I think I'm in Bizarro World.

Oh man they would scream bloody murder and yell, "Off with his head".



Nope, I didn't have any problem with Gonzo until he pulled this sneak underhanded move. But since he did nothing wrong I guess I'm fine with him. I sooooo hope Gonzo wins. I bet everyone one saying there was nothing wrong will then change their collective tunes.
What you don't understand though is that you have to find a way to let go. No matter how unfair it is, if the umpire doesn't make a decision to change the score you have to continue and use your anger to play even better. You seem to be saying that you should just seethe with rage until the end of time. I just don't think it's to the player's advantage to do that.
 

edberg505

Legend
What you don't understand though is that you have to find a way to let go. No matter how unfair it is, if the umpire doesn't make a decision to change the score you have to continue and use your anger to play even better. You seem to be saying that you should just seethe with rage until the end of time. I just don't think it's to the player's advantage to do that.

No, I never said seethe with rage until the end of time. Yeah, he should let it go. But is he not supposed to answer a question when someone in the press conference ask him about it. And you guys talk as if Gonzo did absolutely nothing wrong.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
No, I never said seethe with rage until the end of time. Yeah, he should let it go. But is he not supposed to answer a question when someone in the press conference ask him about it. And you guys talk as if Gonzo did absolutely nothing wrong.
There I agree with you, he has every right to mention it in the press conf. Was Gonzo asked about it in his press conference? It would be interesting to see his reaction.
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
There I agree with you, he has every right to mention it in the press conf. Was Gonzo asked about it in his press conference? It would be interesting to see his reaction.
He talked about winning the match fair and square. That was a sign that he thinks that point actaully made a difference. Blake made it bigger than it should've been due to his bad temper.
 
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