Magnus Norman : Rafa and Roger are playing better now than 10 years ago

[RS]

Would give Djokovic the clear edge tbh. Murray's peak level relies more on taking advantage of lulls than imposing his game

Like when he kept folding Roddick up and could have won the Wim 09 SF on another day

A lot of TTwers giving Murray the edge of Djokovic these days . But because it’s 2011 Djokovic is hard to go against him and if it’s a dog fight you like Djokovic.

 

[NatF]

Like when he kept folding Roddick up and could have won the Wim 09 SF on another day

A lot of TTwers giving Murray the edge of Djokovic these days . But because it’s 2011 Djokovic is hard to go against him and if it’s a dog fight you like Djokovic.

You're trying too hard mate lol.

 

[RS]

You're trying too hard mate lol.

short lines of truth lol.

 

[RS]

RG 17 Nadal vs RG 07 Nadal chat interesting.

@NonP

Didn’t you say you felt RG 17 was Nadal’s 2nd best RG?

 

[NatF]

short lines of truth lol.

Whatever you say lol.

 

[RS]

Whatever you say lol.

Shouldn’t have brought 2009 Roddick in.

The guy gets enough stick. I should have stuck to Hewitt.

 

[NatF]

Shouldn’t have brought 2009 Roddick in.

The guy gets enough stick. I should have stuck to Hewitt.

You should go outside and play in the sun lol.

 

[RS]

Gonzalez AO 2007 > Federer AO 2011 ?!

Gonzo SF
Fed QF
Gonzo QF
Fed SF
Gonzo F (dropped too much in the final clearly the worse showing of all 5)

 

[RS]

You should go outside and play in the sun lol.

I go out a lot. My job is night shift so it leaves me way to much time and then I have weekends free

 

[RS]

You are not understanding anything right now. I'm not talking strictly about the opponents, rather about the level of tennis as a whole. A 10-15 year time frame is a lot and stuff changes.

If you take Fed of 2004 and everything he had learned in that time and put him against players who are training and playing tennis in 2017, does he beat Birdman-Raonic and Cilic on grass?

Legend

 

[NonP]

RG 17 Nadal vs RG 07 Nadal chat interesting.

@NonP

Didn’t you say you felt RG 17 was Nadal’s 2nd best RG?

I did. So did your fellow card-carrying Nadalite @dapchai. We know what we're talking about.

Norman was still talking nonsense, of course. No way '17 Bull beats his younger '08/10 self outside clay. (I'd add '13 but there's that 1R exit at Wimby.)

Legend

Ditto Fred who was 36 at the time. No amount or kind of improvement in other areas makes up for 10+ years of youth and its physical advantages. Your boy OTOH had just turned 31, so still pretty sprightly.

 

[jl809]

To be fair to Norman, Nadal in ‘17 hit a far higher ceiling on HC than 07 in the 2nd half of the year, and it is debatable as to whether he was better at 17 RG than 07 RG. But for grass 07 was clear, and it is an absolute joke to compare 17 Federer with 07 Federer

 

[dapchai]

RG 17 Nadal vs RG 07 Nadal chat interesting.

@NonP

Didn’t you say you felt RG 17 was Nadal’s 2nd best RG?

I did. So did your fellow card-carrying Nadalite @dapchai. We know what we're talking about.

Norman was still talking nonsense, of course. No way '17 Bull beats his younger '08/10 self outside clay. (I'd add '13 but there's that 1R exit at Wimby.)



Ditto Fred who was 36 at the time. No amount or kind of improvement in other areas makes up for 10+ years of youth and its physical advantages. Your boy OTOH had just turned 31, so still pretty sprightly.

I think I have once said here that '08 was the absolute peak of version of a defensive Nadal and '17 was the absolute peak aggressive one. Pretty hard to compare them, but I would give '08 a nod because of the stamina.

 

[RS]

I did. So did your fellow card-carrying Nadalite @dapchai. We know what we're talking about.

Norman was still talking nonsense, of course. No way '17 Bull beats his younger '08/10 self outside clay. (I'd add '13 but there's that 1R exit at Wimby.)



Ditto Fred who was 36 at the time. No amount or kind of improvement in other areas makes up for 10+ years of youth and its physical advantages. Your boy OTOH had just turned 31, so still pretty sprightly.

How do you rate the rest? Sorry if it’s too much detail don’t feel forced to answer

 

[RS]

Would give Djokovic the clear edge tbh. Murray's peak level relies more on taking advantage of lulls than imposing his game

Have you ever enjoyed a Murray match?