Nadal: I can't Go On Like This

[zagor]

After losing the Wimbledon final to Nadal, he was back to blaming mononucleosis for a series of defeats.

An outright lie,if writer of the article is about to make such an accusation he should find a quote where Fed specifically blames mono for his losses after Wimbledon,otherwise this remains another rubbish internet article.

Also Fed has as much as right to pull out of tournaments because of back injury as your Nadal has the right to pull out of tournies because of his knee injury.

 

[valiant]

An outright lie,if writer of the article is about to make such an accusation he should find a quote where Fed specifically blames mono for his losses after Wimbledon,otherwise this remains another rubbish internet article.

Also Fed has as much as right to pull out of tournaments because of back injury as your Nadal has the right to pull out of tournies because of his knee injury.

You are wrong fed can never be ill coz he is a ROBOT and people who think otherwise are blind.

 

[zagor]

You are wrong fed can never be ill coz he is a ROBOT and people who think otherwise are blind.

Yeah it's quite funny,I remember he got criticized here when he pulled out of Dubai and DC to do a rehab on his back.He supposedly isn't even allowed to pull out of tourney without being accused of having ulterior motives.

 

[BreakPoint]

So where are the statements from Federer himself about his back injury, not opinions from clueless sports writers?

Federer had a back injury from early November '08 to about March '09. That's why he pulled out of Paris, Dubai, and the Davis Cup. He played a few events in between (Shanghai, Doha, and Aus Open) but he was never at 100%. No, he didn't mention his back injury prior to any of the events he played in because he didn't want to make any pre-emptive excuses in case he lost, like Nadal does with his knee injury announcements prior to major events.

That one writer is clueless because how could Federer have announced that he was suffering from mono DURING the Aus Open when he didn't know that the illness he had was mono until AFTER the Aus Open ended? But anyone with two eyes could see that he was sick with something during the AO. He even kept the mono secret from the public from when he found out in early Feb. to early March, but after he lost to Murray in his first match in Dubai, the press demanded an explanation because everyone could clearly see that his form was way off and that there was something really wrong with him.

 

[BreakPoint]

But Catspaw evidently read the same article where he said he's had back problems after matches for years. That's all I said, and it was true. Where's the ignorance? I'm not the only one who saw it.

What article?

And like I said, EVERY competitive tennis player that plays a lot of tennis has back problems after matches. It's a tough sport on the body, especially on hard courts. Heck, I've had back issues for as long as I've been playing tennis. Some days are just better than others.

Do you even play tennis? At a high level?

 

[catspaw]

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[TheTruth]

**** article . What the hell is the bold part about ?

Fed was fine in aus open 2009 , he looked fine throughout including the finals ( just had a bad serving day )

However he was serving cr*p ( by his standards) in the master series events ( till he found some serving form and rhythm in madrid ) . The back injury may have had a significant part to play in that .

As far as the bold & underlined part is concerned , he himself didn't know he had mono till after the aussie open, it wasn't diagnosed correctly . He was sick -> He skipped the warmup event kooyong .

The article isn't even referring to the mono, it's talking about the back problem. Some of the bolded parts are several quotes directly from Federer after losses this year. This post was in response to Breakpoint saying that Paris was the only time the back problem was mentioned.

 

[tata]

Cmon everyone knows by now the knee injury doesnt exist xD. Its just a tactic to pull off on the media to put the pressure back onto Fed so that he chokes and if nadal lost he could use it as an excuse. Nadal is just scared of losing to Fed 2 times in a row because Fed is obviously having a better year than last year and may well be on the hunt for his wimby crown again. =)

 

[catspaw]

From the horse's mouth - won't satisfy some, but seems fair enough to me especially as I suffer from a chronic bad back - no, I'm not an athlete of any shape or form, but the principle still applies - you get neurologically and then psychologically clammed up and the brain won't let you relax; it insists on continuing to protect the area even after the acute episode has subsided. My osteopath told me this, so it must be true.

www.rogerfederer.com/en/fanzone/forum/topicview.cfm?uTopicID=27473&uPage=231

This is from Or at TW:

It seems like we have some answers regarding the affects of Roger bad back on his serve. Someone on MTF posted it, recent (I guess) "l'Equipe" article called "dans l'intimite de Rodgeur".


Quote:
"Bon c'est sûr que j'ai moins mal au dos. Mais, quand j'ai réuni Pierre et Seve pour reprendre l'entraînement, je leur ai dit :"Je dois faire du jeu de jambes dans tous les sens, du service dans tous les sens, parce que mon mental doit savoir que je peux le faire. Je veux m'en persuader."

"En fait, j'ai eu un feeling à l'intérieur de moi : mon corps se retenait et me retenait. Mon corps avait peur de servir ou de s'arracher pour aller chercher une balle en bout de course..Inconsciemment, j'avais peur. J'ai donc décidé de travailler à fond les ballons. On a fait "exprès extrême". Pour mon mental, c'était un passage obligé. Si ça casse, au moins, je saurai. Sinon j'aurai accompli un grand pas sur le bon chemin."

"Il me manquait la possibilité de varier. Or, sans pouvoir varier, je suis mort. A cause de la douleur, mon geste avait intégré des parasites sans que je m'en rende compte. Me libérer de ça m'a pris du temps. Il y a eu des hauts et des bas, mais, au final, c'a été un grand déclic. Retrouver mon service et mes coups de défense a tout changé pour moi. Mon corps à oublié la peur."


Translation:

"Well, surely my back hurts less. But when I met back with Pierre (Paganini) and Seve(rin Luthi) to start again the practice, I told them : "I want to make footwork all over the place, serve all over the place, because my mind must know that I can do it. I want to convince myself."

"In fact, I had a feeling inside of me : my body restrained itself and myself. My body was afraid of serving or of strong efforts to catch back a ball in the farside (maybe somebody can help me to translate better that part). Unconsciously I was afraid. Hence I decided to work at full tilt. Purposely we did it "extreme". For my mind it was a mandatory path. If it breaks down, at least I'll know. Elsewhere I'll have made a big step in the good direction."

"I missed the possibility of varying. But without being able to vary, I was dead. Because of the pain, my body had assimilated bad movements which I did not realize. Getting free from all of these took me some time. There were ups and downs. But in the end things suddenly fell into place. Finding back my serve and my defensive shots changed everything for me. My body forgot the fear".

 

[TheTruth]

Which article ? Please provide links to the so called 'articles' ..

Edit : Yeah, I saw that there is no link . leave it then .

Go to Google and put in Federer back problem, there's plenty of information there, or you can do a search on the writer's name.

I don't know how to post links, so I usually post articles, and only snippets of them, because everything in the article isn't relevant to the point I'm making.

 

[TheTruth]

An outright lie,if writer of the article is about to make such an accusation he should find a quote where Fed specifically blames mono for his losses after Wimbledon,otherwise this remains another rubbish internet article.

Also Fed has as much as right to pull out of tournaments because of back injury as your Nadal has the right to pull out of tournies because of his knee injury.

It doesn't bother me who pulls out of any tournament. My post was in response to Breakpoint saying the back problem was only for Paris.

? Out of curiousity, are there any internet writers you do like?

Fed can pull out of any tournament he wishes. Doesn't bother me at all.

 

[TheTruth]

So where are the statements from Federer himself about his back injury, not opinions from clueless sports writers?

Federer had a back injury from early November '08 to about March '09. That's why he pulled out of Paris, Dubai, and the Davis Cup. He played a few events in between (Shanghai, Doha, and Aus Open) but he was never at 100%. No, he didn't mention his back injury prior to any of the events he played in because he didn't want to make any pre-emptive excuses in case he lost, like Nadal does with his knee injury announcements prior to major events.

That one writer is clueless because how could Federer have announced that he was suffering from mono DURING the Aus Open when he didn't know that the illness he had was mono until AFTER the Aus Open ended? But anyone with two eyes could see that he was sick with something during the AO. He even kept the mono secret from the public from when he found out in early Feb. to early March, but after he lost to Murray in his first match in Dubai, the press demanded an explanation because everyone could clearly see that his form was way off and that there was something really wrong with him.

Don't you read his pressers? When I've cited his pressers in the past, then I got, "he said that in the heat of the moment." Or, "he was trying not to give his opponents an unfair advantage," or similar comments.

We're not talking about opinion here, we're talking about when the back injury was cited. Several of the quotes were from Federer himself, in Rome, and in Davis Cup.

It's not a big deal. It's just that you said it only happened in Paris, and I thought I'd heard it at different points besides Paris.

 

[abmk]

The article isn't even referring to the mono, it's talking about the back problem. Some of the bolded parts are several quotes directly from Federer after losses this year. This post was in response to Breakpoint saying that Paris was the only time the back problem was mentioned.

Whatever is there in the article about fed and mono is completely wrong -> shows the credibility of the writer ..

secondly ,

fed said :

"I have the feeling that maybe since I had the back problem, my serve is just not working to where I want it to be," Federer said.


note the use of the word since ...

Means from when he had the back problem, his serve wasn't working well , he didn't say it specifically for that match

 

[icedevil0289]

An outright lie,if writer of the article is about to make such an accusation he should find a quote where Fed specifically blames mono for his losses after Wimbledon,otherwise this remains another rubbish internet article.

Also Fed has as much as right to pull out of tournaments because of back injury as your Nadal has the right to pull out of tournies because of his knee injury.

agree. Federer did not blame his wimbledon loss on mono at all. In fact he had said many times that he was fine at that time, just got beat by a great player. Perhaps he could have insinuated that his AO loss was due to mono, but not the FO or wimbly. There was one interview he did, I believe for doha, and he mentioned that mono had nothing do with his wimbly loss.

 

[vtmike]

i think u are giving too much meaning to certain things.
u really think soderling gives a %^&^ about what people think? lmao
it was his first grandslam final and he got nervous.

It was Soderling's First Fourth Round match, First QF & First SF too!!

He never got nervous in all those matches & didn't even get nervous playing against the four time RG champion, but suddenly got nervous and choked only in the final against a player who has never won RG before?? :-?

 

[vtmike]

i think u are giving too much meaning to certain things.
u really think soderling gives a %^&^ about what people think? lmao
it was his first grandslam final and he got nervous.

Get over yourself and face reality...which is that Soderling played lights out tennis throughout the tournament...Its just that Nadal did not have a game plan when he was being pushed behind the baseline while Federer OTOH had a better game plan to handle Soderling's big shots!

 

[rommil]

Federer got nervous too especially towards the end of the final. So nerves is a normal part of the equation most of the times. These players have different kinds of pressure to face. It's just a matter of how they go about it. I also think that Nadal meant he was not nervous during the Soderling match (didn't he kept saying he "couldn't keep calm"?).

 

[pmerk34]

It was Soderling's First Fourth Round match, First QF & First SF too!!

He never got nervous in all those matches & didn't even get nervous playing against the four time RG champion, but suddenly got nervous and choked only in the final against a player who has never won RG before?? :-?

?? He was in his 1st GS final against an all time great. The stage got much bigger than his 4th round match with Nadal which had no attention paid to it all until people found out he was winning. There was no build up to that match.

He missed a lot more serves, did not have the same pace on them and was spraying forehands long. He was definitely tight the first set at least.

 

[Mick]

imo, soderling wasn't in the same form as when beat nadal when he got to the final. but even if he was, federer would have beaten him anyway. federer was quite sharp in the final, and no power hitter could deny him the 14th GS title on that fine day.

 

[random1]

?? He was in his 1st GS final against an all time great. The stage got much bigger than his 4th round match with Nadal which had no attention paid to it all until people found out he was winning. There was no build up to that match.

He missed a lot more serves, did not have the same pace on them and was spraying forehands long. He was definitely tight the first set at least.

Agreed, clearly Soderling was tight in the first set. I don't think he made a first serve in the first game...

I thought Soderling played very well the final 2 sets - only one break. Federer played so well throughout though, Soderling barely got a sniff at a break. And Fed was more or less perfect in the tiebreak too.

 

[pmerk34]

Agreed, clearly Soderling was tight in the first set. I don't think he made a first serve in the first game...

I thought Soderling played very well the final 2 sets - only one break. Federer played so well throughout though, Soderling barely got a sniff at a break. And Fed was more or less perfect in the tiebreak too.

Fed served like a Beast and when he does that say goodnight.

 

[BreakPoint]

It doesn't bother me who pulls out of any tournament. My post was in response to Breakpoint saying the back problem was only for Paris.

That was the only time that Federer gave his back problem as the reason for pulling out of a tournament mid-way through. He had a back problem for almost 6 months, but he never again gave the back problem as a reason for pulling out of a tournament once it started. He also never mentioned his back problem PRIOR to any tournament, like Nadal does about his knees. Federer just played through the pain in those tournaments. It's not very surprising that he didn't win any of them. His movement was compromised and he couldn't serve nearly as well nor as effectively as without any back pain. If you watch any of his matches during that period, he actually had to alter his service motion to try and reduce the back pain.

 

[BreakPoint]

Don't you read his pressers? When I've cited his pressers in the past, then I got, "he said that in the heat of the moment." Or, "he was trying not to give his opponents an unfair advantage," or similar comments.

We're not talking about opinion here, we're talking about when the back injury was cited. Several of the quotes were from Federer himself, in Rome, and in Davis Cup.

It's not a big deal. It's just that you said it only happened in Paris, and I thought I'd heard it at different points besides Paris.

But those statements were not made PRIOR to events nor were they made as reasons for pulling out of matches once a tournament has started. He only did that once in Paris.

 

[nikdom]

All this knee drama is going to go away and he'll play Wimbledon. It'll only be discussed again if he manages to lose before lifting the trophy.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

All this knee drama is going to go away and he'll play Wimbledon. It'll only be discussed again if he manages to lose before lifting the trophy.

Everytime he gets broken it's going to be his knees. Everytime he lands a ball into the net its going to be his knees.
Knee talk has now attached to Nadal for good. In win or lose, it is at what % his knees was.

 

[TennezSport]

Well............

Everytime he gets broken it's going to be his knees. Everytime he lands a ball into the net its going to be his knees.
Knee talk has now attached to Nadal for good. In win or lose, it is at what % his knees was.

Since Rafa's game is solely based on Run and Rip, everything will hinge on his knees percentage of ability. Sorry, had to :evil:

Cheers, TennezSport