swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
It is Wimbledon! Can not wait. Besides Murray I want 2 c the whole top 5 upset. Action! Drama! Big aces with big winners. Sick of the monotone boredom.
Nadal Monster Draw!!!!
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It is Wimbledon! Can not wait. Besides Murray I want 2 c the whole top 5 upset. Action! Drama! Big aces with big winners. Sick of the monotone boredom.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Funny.You were calling Sod all sorts of names up untill this year's French.
That was Zeeshan talking.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Looking at it, Nadal has a murderous draw. Not likely he's going to lose, but Nishikori and Blake (if he wins) are tough. But both are coming off injury. Still you never know.
Then Gulbis 3R - again, off injury, but you never know. Isner 4R? Sod QF? Murray SF? That is one heck of a draw on paper.
Then Gulbis 3R - again, off injury, but you never know. Isner 4R? Sod QF? Murray SF? That is one heck of a draw on paper.
Nishikori who isn't even top 50
James Blake who never wins matches at Wimbledon and is washed up
Gulbis - the most inconsistent player on tour
I say Nadal wins in straight sets against Kei and JB and loses a set against Gulbis. Not too tough if you ask me.
ksbh
Banned
LOL, I know ... but times change, Mandy, and one must move with the times!
Funny.You were calling Sod all sorts of names up until this year's French.
ksbh
Banned
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
I don't know about time but you certainly seem to be taking some convenient turns hereLOL, I know ... but times change, Mandy, and one must move with the times!
:wink:Well, possibly getting Blake in the 2nd round could be very difficult. Blake has always pushed Nadal to the limits, it could be very tricky if Blake comes out on fire serving aces and landing his monster groundstrokes. Then he might get Gulbis in the 3rd round, and even on clay this year he pushed Nadal to the limit. Anyway, this is pretty difficult even from the very start.
Look last year, Nadal was INJURED. He even had to withdraw from Wimbledon because of his injury during the french and he was the defending champion at Wimbledon. Do you think it was all a JOKE? Did you even see how emotional this year he got when he won the French? At certain moments he thought he might never be able to compete at a high level because of all his injuries... Get a life!!!!
ksbh
Banned
ROFL
But what the hell ... can't a man support a player of his choice?! It's true I called him all kinds of crap names but that was in the past
Things change, Mandy. Look at the Federer fans for example ... they couldn't talk about anything but Soderling for a couple of months and now they barely even utter his name! LOL!
Like it or not, SoderKing is here and he's here to stay. I hope he wins Wimbledon.
P.S: What do you mean by "taking some convenient turns". Please elaborate!
But what the hell ... can't a man support a player of his choice?! It's true I called him all kinds of crap names but that was in the past
Things change, Mandy. Look at the Federer fans for example ... they couldn't talk about anything but Soderling for a couple of months and now they barely even utter his name! LOL!
Like it or not, SoderKing is here and he's here to stay. I hope he wins Wimbledon.
P.S: What do you mean by "taking some convenient turns". Please elaborate!
I don't know about time but you certainly seem to be taking some convenient turns here
Yep on clay it is nearly impossible. Lucky for soderling that he wasn't good enough meet nadal earlier in the clay court season.
Eh? I mentioned nothing about Nadal being injured in 2009. You seem to have misunderstood my post... And you also seem to be rather unnecessarily angry.
I was referring to how certain Nadal fans were saying healthy Nadal couldn't lose to Soderling (which of course his FO victory this year was "evidence" of), but now, certain Nadal fans are claiming Nadal has a tough draw because of Soderling.
Semi-Pro
Hall of Fame
ROFL
But what the hell ... can't a man support a player of his choice?! It's true I called him all kinds of crap names but that was in the past
Things change, Mandy. Look at the Federer fans for example ... they couldn't talk about anything but Soderling for a couple of months and now they barely even utter his name! LOL!
Like it or not, SoderKing is here and he's here to stay. I hope he wins Wimbledon.
P.S: What do you mean by "taking some convenient turns". Please elaborate!
Ya Mandy, things change, like the weather! :lol:
ksbh
Banned
ROFL, SP! I really hope SoderKing doesn't disappoint else I may have to look for someone else to cheer faster than the change in weather!
seffina
G.O.A.T.
Not if you're in England.
It's no walk in the park, for sure. Every match is with a well known opponent, but it's no monster. Look at Roddick's if you're into those.
Lsmkenpo
Hall of Fame
I'm surprised that both Nadal & Federer fans aren't even discussing Soderling.
I can understand why the Federer fans want to have nothing do with Soderling
:shock:
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TennisandMusic
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He's not bad either. Almost beat Nadal in 07, though admittedly Nadal was about an inch from taking it in straights. But Soderling is also a better player now.
LOL, Nadal made the final of Wimbledon in the last 3 years he played, and beat Federer in the final too... As for skill, the French Open needs more skill because on faster surfaces, the players who usually win (Federer/Sampras) win it because mostly of their serves. It's nadal who has to die on the court like a man in order to win at the French Open, that's real tennis, not a one shot game.
Once you hit 50 posts you can edit your posts, avoiding embarassing situations like these
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
But he's playing the best tennis of his career obviously, and last year could've definitely made the QF if his rank was higher and he didn't have to play some guy named Federer in the 4R. He also lost to Fed in 08, and as noted had that 5 setter w/ Nadal in 07. It's not like he's a mug on grass.
Wholeheartedly agree on this...his style of play needs higher bounce and even better consistent bounce....as much as he has improved over the years grass for all the variability of bounce will be his least favorite surface.....but his serve will be more potent.
Comparing Nadal and Federer ....definitely fed has gotten a better draw as Nadal did in FO.....so if Nadal can get Wimby title this year he will be in discussion for great grass court player as well. Blake, Gulbis, Isner in my mind are greater threats for Rafa than Sod on grass....and Kei Nishikori is definitely a way tougher 1st rounder than Falla for Fed .....but it is a GS.....have to be ready ....go Rafa ...go Rog ....cant wait for another Rog- Raf final.....Rog is getting older ....so we need enjoy as many as we can get.....now am I getting ahead of me or not!!!!
namelessone
Legend
LOL, how is his draw easy?
Nishikori is a talented youngster who won a set off Rafa in Nadal's best year, in queens 08'
Blake is inconsistent but very dangerous if on.
Gulbis took a set off him in WB when he was much rawer than today.
Isner is basically a karlovic with a groundgame and already has a big scalp in GS(roddick in USO 09')
Soderling is another bad match-up who will probably want to have some revenge.
Murray, another bad match-up for Rafa, in front of the british audience.
Federer, 6 time champ, in the final if he makes it there.
How anyone thinks this is a easy draw is beyond me.
ksbh
Banned
Ken ... shock, confusion & smile, all in the same post! Anything I can do to help or clarify?!
:shock:
Lsmkenpo
Hall of Fame
LMAO, yeah that is why so many old men and beginners love to play on the clay it is such a difficult surface to play on, it really requires much more skill.
Whenever I hear this argument I know I am talking with someone who sucks at the sport themselves or a *******,thus a bias towards clay because their own game is weak and devoid of the weapons needed to win on the manlier surfaces, where the greatest most talented champions of the sport have always held court.
Clay seasons over Son, time to play like a man or go home early holding your knee.
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TennisandMusic
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Can you point me to some of those pieces? I'd like to read them.
If you're referring to this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/wimbledon10/news/story?id=5300783
then please...that's just laughable. :lol:
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namelessone
Legend
Congratulations for insulting all the clay greats in history. And since soderling's best career results have come on clay, does that mean that he is "less manly"? In fact many would argue because that clay is the "manliest" surface because most your weapons are taken away, it is the equivalent of a fist fight if you will. No serve or ballbashing will save you here.
Old guys play on clay because it is easier on the joints and beginners,youngsters play there because their coaches want them to develop their groundstrokes because they will be forced to hit them more because they can't rip through the court.
Let me take a look at Nadal's results on the manly surfaces of grass and HC:
1 Queens title
3 WB finals with 1 title.
1 AO
2 consecutive SF in 08'-09' in AO and USO(worst surfaces for him)
5 HC MS
2 TMC SF(and he missed 2 TMC's in the last 4 years)
1 Olympic Gold Medal on fast HC
Based on your logic and these results only Fed and maybe Roddick/Djoker are manlier than Rafa on tour
. The rest are pusses.LOL......I guess you probably need to understand the nuances of grass court tennis a little bit more.
No wonder you go by what media says...
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
LOL!
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Lsmkenpo
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Congratulations for insulting all the clay greats in history. And since soderling's best career results have come on clay, does that mean that he is "less manly"? In fact many would argue because that clay is the "manliest" surface because most your weapons are taken away, it is the equivalent of a fist fight if you will. No serve or ballbashing will save you here.
Old guys play on clay because it is easier on the joints and beginners,youngsters play there because their coaches want them to develop their groundstrokes because they will be forced to hit them more because they can't rip through the court.
Let me take a look at Nadal's results on the manly surfaces of grass and HC:
1 Queens title
3 WB finals with 1 title.
1 AO
2 consecutive SF in 08'-09' in AO and USO(worst surfaces for him)
5 HC MS
2 TMC SF(and he missed 2 TMC's in the last 4 years)
1 Olympic Gold Medal on fast HC
Based on your logic and these results only Fed and maybe Roddick/Djoker are manlier than Rafa on tour
No, Soderling plays like a man no matter the surface, the match is always on his racquet.
As far as insulting clay greats, I don't think it is an insult, it is the truth, clay is the easiest surface to play on, strokes break down as the game speeds up anyone who plays the game beyond the intermediate level knows this.
If we look at a list of the greatest ball strikers who ever played, we wouldn't see too many claycourt specialists on that list now would we? Hmm wonder why? Maybe because a claycourt doesn't reward great shotmakers(talent) as much as other surfaces.
Your list is also inaccurate half of those surfaces you listed are not considered fast playing, you do realize there are differences in court speed and bounce in hardcourts or are you ignorant of that fact. That is why your list will never include the US Open, unless Nadal gains some skill with the most important,manliest stroke in the game, the serve.
namelessone
Legend
LOL!
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swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
These pretzels are making me thirsty
LOL! LOVE IT!
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Semi-Pro
Hall of Fame
Who knew you had the aiblity to kid yourself Lsmkenpo but the match is always on Nadal's racquet on clay.
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namelessone
Legend
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Try to hit a sliding winner on clay on the run and tell me how easy that is.
Clay tennis is like a chess game. You have to outmanouver your opponent, not blast him off the court. Not being strong on both sides hurts you on clay whereas you can get away with having a bad BH for example on other surfaces because you can blast off before the opponent has a chance no pick up on that weakness. On clay you need to be consistent, patient and to know WHEN to strike, not just bashing the ball all the time.
What does great ball striker mean to you? Hitting hard? Ever heard of variety of strokes?
You exaggerate the slowness of grass and HC today. Nadal, who is obviously not manly in the way he plays, has won just a few HC and grass titles after years and years of turmoil. He gradually added some elements to his game to suit those surfaces as well. Claycourters had/have problems on fast courts because they don't really develop good serves as it has little importance in a CC game where it is strokes against strokes, not ace-fests. And to be honest I don't even know why I use the term CC'er today when one can play the same type of game on ALL SURFACES, but with varying degrees of success.
Some of the greatest players in the game were claycourters at heart, even though they won on other surfaces as well. No one call look at a guy like Muster and tell me he did not play a "manly" game(whatever that means).
In fact one should wonder why the other manly guys don't have more achievements that he puss of the ATP, Nadal, since they obviously take their fate in their own hands, right? I mean these guys play a big serving, big hitting manly game, have surfaces that favour their game(only clay hampers it somewhat) on most of the ATP tour(grass+HC is 70% of the tour) and yet they still don't win as much on their fav surface as the slowcourt puss Nadal. Guys like Cilic,Soderling,Gulbis,Blake(when he young and healthy),Youzhny,Berdych can hit through any court yet their manly game hasn't added to much. Even if we scratch off Nadal's CC credentials he still has had better HC and grass results than those guys up there. As far as HC is concerned only Fed,Roddick and Djoker have the upper hand in HC credentials over Nadal. How shameful for the manly men of the ATP.
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kraggy
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Try to hit a sliding winner on clay on the run and tell me how easy that is.
Clay tennis is like a chess game. You have to outmanouver your opponent, not blast him off the court. Not being strong on both sides hurts you on clay whereas you can get away with having a bad BH for example on other surfaces because you can blast off before the opponent has a chance no pick up on that weakness. On clay you need to be consistent, patient and to know WHEN to strike, not just bashing the ball all the time.
What does great ball striker mean to you? Hitting hard? Ever heard of variety of strokes?
You exaggerate the slowness of grass and HC today. Nadal, who is obviously not manly in the way he plays, has won just a few HC and grass titles after years and years of turmoil. He gradually added some elements to his game to suit those surfaces as well.
Some of the greatest players in the game were claycourters at heart, even though they won on other surfaces as well. No one call look at a guy like Muster and tell me he did not play a "manly" game(whatever that means).
In fact one should wonder why the other manly guys don't have more achievements that he puss of the ATP, Nadal, since they obviously take their fate in their own hands, right? I mean these guys play a big serving, big hitting manly game, have surfaces that favour their game(only clay hampers it somewhat) on most of the ATP tour(grass+HC is 70% of the tour) and yet they still don't win as much on their fav surface as the slowcourt puss Nadal. Guys like Cilic,Soderling,Gulbis,Blake(when he young and healthy),Youzhny,Berdych can hit through any court yet their manly game hasn't added to much. Even if we scratch off Nadal's CC credentials he still has had better HC and grass results than those guys up there. As far as HC is concerned only Fed,Roddick and Djoker have the upper hand in HC credentials over Nadal.
Why do you bother using logic, Lsm is just bitter after the FO. Let him live in his own world!
Big_Dangerous
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