Nadal reaching slam title #13 in his hardcourt prime. Unprecedented? Implications?

[NADALRECORD]

Because 2 of the 4 slams are played on hardcourt, if you manage to reach 13 slam titles whilst still in your hardcourt prime, the signs are very good you will finish with a very high number of slam titles.

When Sampras reached 13 slam titles was he still in his hardcourt prime? I don't think so.

When Federer reached 13 slam titles was he still in his hardcourt prime? I don't think so.

The fact that Nadal brought up his 13th slam title via his hardcourt prime (in 2013 he won Indian Wells, Montreal, Cincy, US Open) has majorly record-breaking implications. And 2013 definitely is his prime form because even when he won the US Open in 2010 he didn't win much else on hardcourt that year.

If Nadal's hardcourt prime lasts another 1 or 2 years, it will be thrilling to see him bring up the 17th-18th slam title while in prime form (and therefore have a lot left in the tank for more titles, because we all know you can win slam titles during declining years too - especially in Nadal's case because he owns Roland Garros so thoroughly).

Nadal playing his best hardcourt tennis in his 9th consecutive slam-winning year, is the most incredible act of longevity I've ever seen. To witness an established legend, while he's still playing like a legend is a rare privilege indeed.....a "God on Earth" as it were.

 

[6-3 6-0]

When Federer reached 13 slam titles was he still in his hardcourt prime? I don't think so.

So, according to you when he won the 2008 USO a.k.a his 13th slam, he wasn't in his prime. That means RNadal beat a past prime RFederer to win the Australian Open 2009, no?

 

[NADALRECORD]

So, according to you when he won the 2008 USO a.k.a his 13th slam, he wasn't in his prime. That means RNadal beat a past prime RFederer to win the Australian Open 2009, no?

Of course Federer wasn't in his prime in 2008. I thought that was common knowledge. I've never heard anyone call 2008 Federer's prime. I keep hearing 2004-2007. Remember the whole mono thing? In 2009 AO, Nadal was a few years away from his hardcourt prime (2013+), and Federer was just past his.

 

[6-3 6-0]

Of course Federer wasn't in his prime in 2008. I thought that was common knowledge. I've never heard anyone call 2008 Federer's prime. I keep hearing 2004-2007. Remember the whole mono thing?

Leave the RFederer fans out for a moment. You're a RNadal fan and you stated he was already out of prime in 2008 :lol:

I guess that ends the discussion :lol:

 

[NADALRECORD]

Leave the RFederer fans out for a moment. You're a RNadal fan and you stated he was already out of prime in 2008 :lol:

I guess that ends the discussion :lol:

Not sure what discussion you are looking for. I never said Federer was in his hardcourt prime in 2008/2009.

All I said about Federer's prime was that he was not in his hardcourt prime when he won his 13th slam title.

 

[6-3 6-0]

Not sure what discussion you are looking for. I never said Federer was in his hardcourt prime in 2008/2009.

All I said about Federer's prime was that he was not in his hardcourt prime when he won his 13th slam title.

Thanks! I will quote this everytime when your fellow fans argue prime RFederer was beaten by RNadal at the Aussie open.

Sorry for being off topic.

 

[NADALRECORD]

See the key to winning 19-20 slam titles, is that you MUST be in your hardcourt prime when you reach #13. You need to have the capacity to win both hardcourt slams still. Nadal is the first man to be in this position. An unprecedented opportunity (plus he's still got Roland Garros up his sleeve, if necessary).

 

[NADALRECORD]

Thanks! I will quote this everytime when your fellow fans argue prime RFederer was beaten by RNadal at the Aussie open.

Sorry for being off topic.

Yeah I don't think Federer's 2008 US Open was his hardcourt prime. Murray gave him that one. Andreev had Federer on the brink in Round 4. I doubt any Nadal fan or Federer fan would applaud that form. 2009 AO, better but I still wouldn't call it Federer's hardcourt prime. The 5th set was a donation. And obviously 2009 USO final was not good.

 

[6-3 6-0]

See the key to winning 19-20 slam titles, is that you MUST be in your hardcourt prime when you reach #13. You need to have the capacity to win both hardcourt slams still. Nadal is the first man to be in this position. An unprecedented opportunity (plus he's still got Roland Garros up his sleeve, if necessary).

Don't count your chickens before they are hatched

I've learnt it the hard way and expected RFederer to win some of the matches that he lost (eg. USO 2010, 2011).

Plus, hardcourt tennis is most taxing on his knees. (He said that himself, I think)

 

[cluckcluck]

See the key to winning 19-20 slam titles, is that you MUST be in your hardcourt prime when you reach #13. You need to have the capacity to win both hardcourt slams still. Nadal is the first man to be in this position. An unprecedented opportunity (plus he's still got Roland Garros up his sleeve, if necessary).

How is this a key? Has anybody in the open era won 19 or more majors? I don't think so, so your sample numbers are baseless.

 

[cluckcluck]

Don't count your chickens before they are hatched

I've learnt it the hard way and expected RFederer to win some of the matches that he lost (eg. USO 2010, 2011).

Plus, hardcourt tennis is most taxing on his knees. (He said that himself, I think)

Here ya go: http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2013-02-12/11592.php

 

[sbengte]

What is the point of reaching HC prime and winning HC slams when each of the HC slams has only 50% credibility ? (See what one of the most knowledgeable posters had to say about it ) :

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=354664

 

[NADALRECORD]

Don't count your chickens before they are hatched

I've learnt it the hard way and expected RFederer to win some of the matches that he lost (eg. USO 2010, 2011).

Plus, hardcourt tennis is most taxing on his knees. (He said that himself, I think)

Yes, Nadal also said that he took painkillers for every match in 2013, but that he isn't taking painkillers in 2014 because he tried stem-cell therapy and it made his knees healthier than they've been for years.

As far as losing matches you should win, Nadal and Federer are what I call "polar opposites". They have nothing in common, and that is why their career patterns are completely different.

 

[6-3 6-0]

Well then, good luck to him. No matter what anyone says, if he goes past #17 he will deserve every bit of applause/praise he will be getting.

 

[TMF]

See the key to winning 19-20 slam titles, is that you MUST be in your hardcourt prime when you reach #13. You need to have the capacity to win both hardcourt slams still. Nadal is the first man to be in this position. An unprecedented opportunity (plus he's still got Roland Garros up his sleeve, if necessary).

We all know this is a weak era, but you think Nole/Murray is that bad in letting Nadal win 19/20 slams?

Please, this is not the WTA.

 

[Backspin1183]

Thanks! I will quote this everytime when your fellow fans argue prime RFederer was beaten by RNadal at the Aussie open.

Sorry for being off topic.

Do it and make yourself look as silly :lol:

 

[Messarger]

See the key to winning 19-20 slam titles, is that you MUST be in your hardcourt prime when you reach #13. You need to have the capacity to win both hardcourt slams still. Nadal is the first man to be in this position. An unprecedented opportunity (plus he's still got Roland Garros up his sleeve, if necessary).

What makes you think his hard court prime (and actually clay court for that matter) will continue to last long enough for even number 15? Don't get your hopes on RG too high as he has been steadily declining. He looks like he will stop at 14th.

 

[Backspin1183]

On topic, Nadal's 27. He's been very good on the hard surface for years. If he doesn't do well at 27, what kind of athlete is he? He should be doing well until at least he's 31-32.

 

[6-3 6-0]

Do it and make yourself look as silly :lol:

Just like you look when you create threads with wrong title to generate hatred towards RFederer? :lol:

 

[Backspin1183]

Just like you look when you create threads with wrong title to generate hatred towards RFederer? :lol:

Threads like what? Did you mean the "I can knock off Nadal, Djokovic" one? That was the title given on several online news. All I did on this forum was post it.

And I have nothing against RFederer even though he has the silliest of fanboys. He's fun to watch especially in matches against Nadal.

 

[The_Order]

Threads like what? Did you mean the "I can knock off Nadal, Djokovic" one? That was the title given on several online news. All I did on this forum was post it.

And I have nothing against RFederer even though he has the silliest of fanboys. He's fun to watch especially in matches against Nadal.

Don't bother with him he's a tdk fanboy, enough said, no?

 

[tennis_pro]

Because 2 of the 4 slams are played on hardcourt, if you manage to reach 13 slam titles whilst still in your hardcourt prime, the signs are very good you will finish with a very high number of slam titles.

When Sampras reached 13 slam titles was he still in his hardcourt prime? I don't think so.

When Federer reached 13 slam titles was he still in his hardcourt prime? I don't think so.

The fact that Nadal brought up his 13th slam title via his hardcourt prime (in 2013 he won Indian Wells, Montreal, Cincy, US Open) has majorly record-breaking implications. And 2013 definitely is his prime form because even when he won the US Open in 2010 he didn't win much else on hardcourt that year.

If Nadal's hardcourt prime lasts another 1 or 2 years, it will be thrilling to see him bring up the 17th-18th slam title while in prime form (and therefore have a lot left in the tank for more titles, because we all know you can win slam titles during declining years too - especially in Nadal's case because he owns Roland Garros so thoroughly).

Nadal playing his best hardcourt tennis in his 9th consecutive slam-winning year, is the most incredible act of longevity I've ever seen. To witness an established legend, while he's still playing like a legend is a rare privilege indeed.....a "God on Earth" as it were.

Implications are that every user who has "NADAL" in his name should be automatically banned.

 

[Fiji]

Nole f*cked up big time at the USO.

 

[sbengte]

Implications are that every user who has "NADAL" in his name should be automatically banned.

:lol: Our dear old n.s.k is so much better than some of the other nadal trolls. He at least provides some entertainment.

 

[jg153040]

Because 2 of the 4 slams are played on hardcourt, if you manage to reach 13 slam titles whilst still in your hardcourt prime, the signs are very good you will finish with a very high number of slam titles.

When Sampras reached 13 slam titles was he still in his hardcourt prime? I don't think so.

When Federer reached 13 slam titles was he still in his hardcourt prime? I don't think so.

The fact that Nadal brought up his 13th slam title via his hardcourt prime (in 2013 he won Indian Wells, Montreal, Cincy, US Open) has majorly record-breaking implications. And 2013 definitely is his prime form because even when he won the US Open in 2010 he didn't win much else on hardcourt that year.

If Nadal's hardcourt prime lasts another 1 or 2 years, it will be thrilling to see him bring up the 17th-18th slam title while in prime form (and therefore have a lot left in the tank for more titles, because we all know you can win slam titles during declining years too - especially in Nadal's case because he owns Roland Garros so thoroughly).

Nadal playing his best hardcourt tennis in his 9th consecutive slam-winning year, is the most incredible act of longevity I've ever seen. To witness an established legend, while he's still playing like a legend is a rare privilege indeed.....a "God on Earth" as it were.

Is this sarcasm ?

 

[Chanwan]

What makes you think his hard court prime (and actually clay court for that matter) will continue to last long enough for even number 15? Don't get your hopes on RG too high as he has been steadily declining. He looks like he will stop at 14th.

You have to be Clarky.

 

[Chanwan]

See the key to winning 19-20 slam titles, is that you MUST be in your hardcourt prime when you reach #13. You need to have the capacity to win both hardcourt slams still. Nadal is the first man to be in this position. An unprecedented opportunity (plus he's still got Roland Garros up his sleeve, if necessary).

It's not impossible - not least because there are no talents under 25 knocking on the door, so even when Nadal get's older, his main competitors will also be in their late twenties.
That said, there are three players, who all have between 60 and 40 % chance of beating Nadal in a HC slam (when fit): Djoko, Murray and Delpo.

 

[DRII]

i'm not certain about the OP's postulate/theory, but i'll say it again. Nadal's slam victories are determined by his physical condition/injuries to a greater degree than by his competition.

If Nadal is physically (and mentally/emotionally) healthy throughout an entire year, which rarely has occurred since he became a great all-round player, he is nearly guaranteed to win at least 2 of the 4 slams.