Nadal's record in first half vs second half the last three years

[McEnroeisanartist]

Big 3's record in first half vs second half the last three years

Looking at Nadal's record in the first half of the year (to end of French Open) and second half year over the last three years

Nadal
First half - 124-12
Second half - 41-12

By comparison,

Federer
First Half - 89-19
Second Half 91-20

Djokovic
First Half - 97-15
Second Half - 104-14

 

[Agassifan]

Amazing. The guy is so smart in preserving his win % and H2H. 136 matches vs 53 matches. Genius.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I think we can safely conclude from this that Djokovic and Federer >>>>> Nadal in the second half of the year. I just never realised it was by that much until now. :shock:

 

[90's Clay]

well yea.. 1 guy has been injured quite a bit and the other two haven't.

Kind of makes sense.

 

[tennisaddict]

well yea.. 1 guy has been injured quite a bit and the other two haven't.

Kind of makes sense.

His injuries have come at the 'opportune' moments - not during first half when you have clay tournaments - but during the hard court and indoor stretch

So, that is a lame excuse and it does not make sense.

 

[90's Clay]

His injuries have come at the 'opportune' moments - not during first half when you have clay tournaments - but during the hard court and indoor stretch

So, that is a lame excuse and it does not make sense.

I don't get this argument.

Nadal dominated the hardcourt swing last year with ease winning Montrael/Cincy/USO and has won 2 USO titles during his career. And has reached the finals of the WTF.

If he dominated last year, you don't think (if he was healthy) he wouldn't be looking to defend his titles?

Its obvious health issues have taken their toll with Rafa. Because there is NO REASON To think Rafa wouldn't be playing if he was healthy to defend titles, win more prize money and continue to go hard for the WTF title which still eludes him.

Why would Nadal sit out (especially during his prime years) just to sit out and not add to his resume.

A big reason he gets injured late in the year is because he goes so hard (and practices insanely by all reports) during the first half of the year he becomes susceptible to injuries and illness later.

 

[tennisaddict]

I don't get this argument.

Nadal dominated the hardcourt swing last year with ease winning Montrael/Cincy/USO and has won 2 USO titles during his career. And has reached the finals of the WTF.

If he dominated last year, you don't think (if he was healthy) he wouldn't be looking to defend his titles?

Its obvious health issues have taken their toll with Rafa. Because there is NO REASON To think Rafa wouldn't be playing if he was healthy to defend titles, win more prize money and continue to go hard for the WTF title which still eludes him

It is obvious health issue has taken a toll. But it is fair to say, Nadal's 2013 hard court was more an aberration than a normal given his last 10 year hard court performance.

So, let us not use health as a reason to hide the gap in the stats presented. Even if you go back, the stats are going to look pretty similar.

 

[90's Clay]

Another thing is Nadal is just injury prone (as some guys are and some aren't) and he has been injury prone even before his tennis career started. (Didn't he have physical issues even before he hit the pro tour)

Thats MAINLY why Nadal is not the hands down open Era GOAT right now. Injuries stopping him.

Fed/Nole have been much more fortunate in the sense that they are not injury prone players.

Genetics play a role into that

 

[90's Clay]

It is obvious health issue has taken a toll. But it is fair to say, Nadal's 2013 hard court was more an aberration than a normal given his last 10 year hard court performance.

So, let us not use health as a reason to hide the gap in the stats presented. Even if you go back, the stats are going to look pretty similar.

I don't think so. Nadal was beating Fed during his teen years on hard courts. Hes 3-0 vs. Fed In australia. Won the Olympics on hards. And has won the Australian. Along with 2 USO titles. I think its safe to say Nadal turned into a nice outdoor hardcourt player. Sweeping the North American hardcourt swing isn't that mind boggling really

 

[eldanger25]

It is obvious health issue has taken a toll. But it is fair to say, Nadal's 2013 hard court was more an aberration than a normal given his last 10 year hard court performance.

So, let us not use health as a reason to hide the gap in the stats presented. Even if you go back, the stats are going to look pretty similar.

Not necessarily - if you swap out 2012 and 2014 and just go with his last 3 years where he played most or all of the second half of the year - 2010, 2011, and 2013 - Nadal's got something like an identical 91-20 record to Federer.

I do wonder if he milked the 2012/13 injury break to get away from the game some, but this year's injuries seem legitimate.

 

[Bartelby]

Nadal is third on hard courts, since Djokovic's ascension, and first on clay.

 

[gambitt]

Thats MAINLY why Nadal is not the hands down open Era GOAT right now. Injuries stopping him.

His injuries are a result of pushing himself so hard for those 14 slams. If he backs off the grinding style then he'd be injured less often but he'd still have 14 slams. Typical Nadal fan wanting it both ways. Almost a childlike attitude.

 

[Boom-Boom]

So basically Nadal is "cycling" and drinking lots of "energy drinks" during the winter pre-season and then run out of "energy" after FO

 

[Chico]

well yea.. 1 guy has been injured quite a bit and the other two haven't.

Kind of makes sense.

How come Nadal is never injured during clay season? :shock:

 

[Aggasirules5]

I think we can safely conclude from this that Djokovic and Federer >>>>> Nadal in the second half of the year. I just never realised it was by that much until now. :shock:

Yes this. Djokovic and Federer also lose out on hth because of this very reason.

 

[ollinger]

So I guess the point here is that Djokovic does better tan Fed in both the first and second half?

 

[Smasher08]

Amazing. The guy is so smart in preserving his win % and H2H.

Yep, just like his strategic loss yesterday. By ensuring he never reaches Federer when he's vulnerable, he can continue to provide legions of Nadochists and Nadliebers with internet chatroom fodder.

 

[Kalin]

So basically Nadal is "cycling" and drinking lots of "energy drinks" during the winter pre-season and then run out of "energy" after FO

This

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[LazyNinja19]

This is nothing new, that Nadal always has a much better first half of the season than second.

But the pathetic-ness of OP is at full display here. As much of a Fed fanboy and stats muncher he is, he selectively failed to mention the number of tournaments played by these 3 players in the past 3 years.

Djokovic and Federer have played all the tournaments of their schedule, after RG.

Meanwhile Nadal only played the complete second half of the season in 2013. Even though his numbers would have never reached the likes of Fed and Djoko (obviously, because they are better HC players), still the fact that Nadal has missed so much due to injuries is the basis behind these skewed numbers.

 

[Lips]

So basically Nadal is "cycling" and drinking lots of "energy drinks" during the winter pre-season and then run out of "energy" after FO

It makes sense...the clay court season is a grind and we all know Rafa is usually winning every clay tournament he enters...so yeah..running out of energy or "energy"(not sure what is being implied) is entirely possible.

 

[tennisaddict]

Win- Losses in each year (2010-2014)

Novak :
61-18
70-6
75- 12
74-9
52- 8

Fed :
65-13
64-12
71-12
45-17
65-10 (as of date)

Rafa :
71-10
69-15
42-6
75-7
48-11

Of interest :

Novak has won substantially less matches in 2014.

Novak's single digit losses for so many years now is impressive.

Except for the 2013 back issue, Fed has been remarkably consistent , even after 2010.

Rafa has had a very average year by his standards.

 

[tennisaddict]

This is nothing new, that Nadal always has a much better first half of the season than second.

But the pathetic-ness of OP is at full display here. As much of a Fed fanboy and stats muncher he is, he selectively failed to mention the number of tournaments played by these 3 players in the past 3 years.

Djokovic and Federer have played all the tournaments of their schedule, after RG.

Meanwhile Nadal only played the complete second half of the season in 2013. Even though his numbers would have never reached the likes of Fed and Djoko (obviously, because they are better HC players), still the fact that Nadal has missed so much due to injuries is the basis behind these skewed numbers.

Nadal missed in 2012 and not 2013.

Nadal missed the portion of the year where he is susceptible to loss , making sure he plays the dirt portion of the calendar completely. If anything, if he had played, the records will be far worse.

 

[dh003i]

Another thing is Nadal is just injury prone (as some guys are and some aren't) and he has been injury prone even before his tennis career started. (Didn't he have physical issues even before he hit the pro tour)

Thats MAINLY why Nadal is not the hands down open Era GOAT right now. Injuries stopping him.

Fed/Nole have been much more fortunate in the sense that they are not injury prone players.

Genetics play a role into that

Maybe part of Nadal's injury issues are genetic, but certainly part of them relate to his chosen playing style, scheduling, practice habits, etc. In any event, so what if even most of it is genetics? Durability is important and Nadal's been very lucky in the hand he's been dealt as far as genetics goes, as have all of the top players.

Are we going to start trying to adjust for how fortunate people have been gentically? Maybe we should have a genetics-adjusted ranking system; maybe I'd be number 1 in the world under that system even though I'm not good at tennis.

 

[booson]

So, pretty much it shows that Rafa's cycling (if that's true) with a little bit of roids. Other PEDs regimes have shorter inactivity lapses.

Didn't he have physical issues even before he hit the pro tour

I've sincerely never heard that. His first dangerous injury was precisely when he started competing in the ATP tour.

 

[BringBackSV]

Another thing is Nadal is just injury prone (as some guys are and some aren't) and he has been injury prone even before his tennis career started. (Didn't he have physical issues even before he hit the pro tour)

Thats MAINLY why Nadal is not the hands down open Era GOAT right now. Injuries stopping him.

Fed/Nole have been much more fortunate in the sense that they are not injury prone players.

Genetics play a role into that

Exactly. Even though I don't really even care about the GOAT topic, if not for injuries, Rafa is the best GS player in the open era. The guy is just injury prone and as a result hasn't achieved as much as his talent deserves.

 

[BringBackSV]

So, pretty much it shows that Rafa's cycling (if that's true) with a little bit of roids. Other PEDs regimes have shorter inactivity lapses.


I've sincerely never heard that. His first dangerous injury was precisely when he started competing in the ATP tour.

It's pretty ridiculous to think that roids could somehow make a great player. EPO, which doesn't need to be cycled in any way similar to way you may be suggestion (what type of roids are you talking about?) would not require that at all.

 

[BringBackSV]

Nadal missed in 2012 and not 2013.

Nadal missed the portion of the year where he is susceptible to loss , making sure he plays the dirt portion of the calendar completely. If anything, if he had played, the records will be far worse.

That is pure speculation and rather irrelevant anyway. Rafa did not benefit in any way by missing two USO events. He did not benefit by missing AO. If you mean that he benefited by not playing Shanghai, hahaha, hahaha.

 

[furryballs]

It's pretty ridiculous to think that roids could somehow make a great player. EPO, which doesn't need to be cycled in any way similar to way you may be suggestion (what type of roids are you talking about?) would not require that at all.

of course it needs to be "cycled"...do you think the effects just come and go instantly...and you wouldnt do it year 'round for obvious reasons. EPO or blood doping(storing and then injecting your own blood to increase capicity) are different things but same effect.he's looked ****ed since biological passport intro and getting worse all the time. he played terrible against Coric.