Never seen so much overreacting to a loss in Bo3 in my life as with Djokovic - Rune

jl809

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is my favourite for RG and has a decent shot at a 3 slam season. I am amazed at people calling this an open RG, saying he should skip clay, and that we are watching a passing of the torch moment here.

Djokovic has always been vulnerable in Bo3 since 2016, especially on clay. But in Bo5 he has properly lost only 3 times in the last 4 years - to Nadal 3 times on clay and to Medvedev once on HC. Now there is no Nadal on clay. Djokovic completely owns Tsitsipas, Rublev, Shapovalov etc. He would have won RG last year if Nadal’s foot had kept him out of the tournament.

Rune beat Djokovic yesterday but looked utterly gassed at various stages of the match. He has not yet demonstrated the mental or physical endurance to beat an absolutely elite player over Bo5. His clay results this year have been up and down and he is not even a lock to get past guys like Ruud, Rublev, Tsitsipas and co., as we saw at the AO.

Alcaraz’s last match against Djokovic was a very narrow win on clay in conditions that suit Alcaraz’s game. He has won a slam, sure, but narrowly over Cilic, Tiafoe, Sinner and Ruud, not over Djokovic or Nadal. He has never won a big title where Djokovic was also in the draw. His results are actually similar to last year so far.

No-one has demonstrated repeated success on grass over the last 4 years aside from Djokovic except for Nadal, who didn’t even reach a Wimbledon final. There is no reason to assume that Sinner, who has pushed Djoker closest, will even play him again this year or next year, and that Djokovic will play as badly as he did in that 2022 match vs how he then played vs Kyrgios when a title was on the line.

Djokovic just won the AO without losing a set and had what, 1 loss since RG 2022 all the way up to Dubai? The only confounding factor is an out of form Alcaraz from that time. But we don’t KNOW that in form Alcaraz could actually have changed that.

So yeah, Djokovic is nowhere near done.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Everything on this board is an overreaction - We go from he is finished to he is GOAT to he is finished from tournament to tournament, and that isn't just for Djokovic, it is for all of them. We love to build them up and love to tear them down even more.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Slams are a different ball game for Djokovic, as we have seen in the past. The physical, mental preparation is on another level.

And also, only Nadal has beaten Djokovic there for the past 4 editions.

Lets see what happens, but I expect him to step up a level or 2 come FO.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Slams are a different ball game for Djokovic, as we have seen in the past. The physical, mental preparation is on another level.

And also, only Nadal has beaten Djokovic there for the past 4 editions.

Lets see what happens, but I expect him to step up a level or 2 come FO.

Past 3 editions. In 2019, it was Thiem who beat Djokovic.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Pretty hilarious how he went from playing till 40 with 30 GS's to finnish after a couple rusty clay matches.

Guy is still the favorite in any Bo5 match he plays.
And he reiterated that just yesterday:


Nobody is saying Novak isn't the favorite for RG, but he's lost twice in a row to Rune, it's time to take notice of the younger players and respect what they're doing instead of diminishing it as a fluke. I wouldn't bet a dollar on Rune beating Novak at the FO, but Djokovic fans seem to think he's impervious to age and decline. Jim Courier puts into proper perspective below. Holger beat Djokovic in two big matches he really wanted to win. You can spin it any way you want, Courier is 100% correct (notice he also throws shade on Sinner). Roddick also correctly points out Holger "bullied" Novak in their Rome match:

 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
And he reiterated that just yesterday:


Nobody is saying Novak isn't the favorite for RG, but he's lost twice in a row to Rune, it's time to take notice of the younger players and respect what they're doing instead of diminishing it as a fluke. I wouldn't bet a dollar on Rune beating Novak at the FO, but Djokovic fans seem to think he's impervious to age and decline. Jim Courier puts into proper perspective below. Holger beat Djokovic in two big matches he really wanted to win. You can spin it any way you want, Courier is 100% correct (notice he also throws shade on Sinner):


I would say it is Alcaraz, and I say it as a Djokovic fan. Carlos this year has earned that right.
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
I gotta go with Tiny Carl as the favorite for RG. He’s the only contender with multiple titles on clay this year. This most recent loss is going to give him time to reflect on what he did wrong in Rome and will come into Paris fresh. Despite the bad loss there (granted Marozsan played incredibly well and would have beaten either Joker or Rune had he played them with the same level in the Tiny Carl match) he’s still in the best form atm.
 
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Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
I would say it is Alcaraz, and I say it as a Djokovic fan. Carlos this year has earned that right.

Djokovic has had recent trouble with more than just Alcaraz, though. He was PO'd after the last Musetti loss because he knew he got lucky at the French and then couldn't even close out their next meeting after winning the first set. And now Rune has got him 2x in a row.

He has always been the most vulnerable of the B3 to shock losses to "The Field", and now that he won't have Fedal to kick around any longer he will get exposed by more than just Alcaraz. That's why he's so annoyed/frustrated. He can't just gameplan for one guy anymore.

I have been watching and rewatching the match and it's unreal how bad he looked. It should have been a straight-set loss, and he wasn't able to run away after the delay like he usually does. Rune just outhit him plain and simple. He looked weak and gassed.
 

Fabresque

Legend
There’s no point in BO3 matches for him. Only useful to get a few reps in before a slam. He wants to win everything, sure, but even at his age he knows a Best of 3 mostly favors younger players.

Guys like Rune, Sinner, Alcaraz (to a degree) haven’t yet mastered the ability to sparse out your best tennis over a long period of 5 sets. If they go to a fifth, they’ll be at around 15-20% capacity than they were in the first.

Djokovic knows this. He strategically peaks in the later portions of matches because he knows he has a mental edge, and at that point trusts his physicality as well.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
And he reiterated that just yesterday:


Nobody is saying Novak isn't the favorite for RG, but he's lost twice in a row to Rune, it's time to take notice of the younger players and respect what they're doing instead of diminishing it as a fluke. I wouldn't bet a dollar on Rune beating Novak at the FO, but Djokovic fans seem to think he's impervious to age and decline. Jim Courier puts into proper perspective below. Holger beat Djokovic in two big matches he really wanted to win. You can spin it any way you want, Courier is 100% correct (notice he also throws shade on Sinner). Roddick also correctly points out Holger "bullied" Novak in their Rome match:

Wait a second. Back up. We nolefams respect both Alcaraz and Rune. We don't need to respect every youngsters because frankly all of them suck. But Alcaraz and Rune we do.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
This is THE MOST HONEST COMMENT I've seen from a Novak fan since I've been coming to this board in 2010. You deserve a standing ovation for it!
I am all about honesty.
Honestly I will add another honest comment.

Since pandemic started I was screaming on twitter, VACCINATE yourself every day. But the day Nole said he is in Australia, I changed my stance. Now I say bodily freedom.
 

gold325

Hall of Fame
He lost 1 match and they put him in the same "Dead and Buried boat" as Nadal. If the rain had not stopped the match I'm pretty sure he would have run away with it....

I think Nadal will come back - destroy some next genners and then retire on this own terms. Djokovic will win atleast 2 more slams, maybe 3 and then call it a day.
 

Impetus

Semi-Pro
And I believe Thor rides a chariot on the lightning and only the bravest vikings go to Valhal.

Until then lets talk about facts.

Rune was superior to Djokovic with offense in the first set and superior to Djokovic with defense in the third set.

I have never seen that before. Rune has the highest top level of all players.
His problem is his mental breakdowns.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Djokovic is my favourite for RG and has a decent shot at a 3 slam season. I am amazed at people calling this an open RG, saying he should skip clay, and that we are watching a passing of the torch moment here.

Djokovic has always been vulnerable in Bo3 since 2016, especially on clay. But in Bo5 he has properly lost only 3 times in the last 4 years - to Nadal 3 times on clay and to Medvedev once on HC. Now there is no Nadal on clay. Djokovic completely owns Tsitsipas, Rublev, Shapovalov etc. He would have won RG last year if Nadal’s foot had kept him out of the tournament.

Rune beat Djokovic yesterday but looked utterly gassed at various stages of the match. He has not yet demonstrated the mental or physical endurance to beat an absolutely elite player over Bo5. His clay results this year have been up and down and he is not even a lock to get past guys like Ruud, Rublev, Tsitsipas and co., as we saw at the AO.

Alcaraz’s last match against Djokovic was a very narrow win on clay in conditions that suit Alcaraz’s game. He has won a slam, sure, but narrowly over Cilic, Tiafoe, Sinner and Ruud, not over Djokovic or Nadal. He has never won a big title where Djokovic was also in the draw. His results are actually similar to last year so far.

No-one has demonstrated repeated success on grass over the last 4 years aside from Djokovic except for Nadal, who didn’t even reach a Wimbledon final. There is no reason to assume that Sinner, who has pushed Djoker closest, will even play him again this year or next year, and that Djokovic will play as badly as he did in that 2022 match vs how he then played vs Kyrgios when a title was on the line.

Djokovic just won the AO without losing a set and had what, 1 loss since RG 2022 all the way up to Dubai? The only confounding factor is an out of form Alcaraz from that time. But we don’t KNOW that in form Alcaraz could actually have changed that.

So yeah, Djokovic is nowhere near done.

1. Djokovic lost a set to Couacaud in AO 23. Should have lost 2nd set to Tpas who choked so horribly that it'd have made Almagro proud.
2. Djokovic hasn't even made the semi of a single clay event this year.
3. Alcaraz won Barcelona and Madrid. He's the favorite for RG.
4. Djokovic is nowhere near done, but he's not the favorite for RG. Alcaraz is.
 
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