NOOOO! HELP. My forehand is sucking and I think it looks like a WTA forehand now!!!

Dly

Rookie
I haven't been playing often and my coach has been busy, so for the last month or so, besides my level of play dropping, I think my forehand has also evolved more and more into a WTA one. It hasn't felt right ever since school started. I only realized this after my brother filmed me. My backswing looks so big and my racket gets really far behind me. How can I shorten the backswing?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
You can start your takeback with both hands until it reaches around 45 degrees to the front/side, then let go, pointing your left elbow at the incoming ball. That usually keeps the rackethand from going too far back.
 

Dly

Rookie
Why do you need to shorten your backswing?

As I get older, my opponents will only hit harder and harder. I need a shorter backswing to handle pace better. Plus I feel like I had a shorter backswing during the summer while I was playing some pretty good tennis.

But I have to admit, I'd be lying if I said I didn't want more of an ATP forehand for the aesthetics as well.
 

WildVolley

Legend
Practice extending the elbow or patting the dog at the end of the back swing.

If you don't do this, you'll tend to let the racket head flop backwards in the standard WTA-style.
 

Dly

Rookie
You can start your takeback with both hands until it reaches around 45 degrees to the front/side, then let go, pointing your left elbow at the incoming ball. That usually keeps the rackethand from going too far back.

listen to LeeD. keep the hand on the racket longer during the turn, almost like hitting a two handed FH like seles.

Yeah! I've realized that my left hand leaves the throat of my racquet almost too soon.

I'll try keeping my left hand on longer, but I feel like when I get a good amount of shoulder turn, it causes my right arm and racquet to really far behind me.
 

Dly

Rookie
Practice extending the elbow or patting the dog at the end of the back swing.

If you don't do this, you'll tend to let the racket head flop backwards in the standard WTA-style.

YES!!! That's what I wanted to describe! My racquet head flops backward with my wrist. Could you explain what extending the elbow and patting the dog means? Or refer me to some pictures?
 

SStrikerR

Hall of Fame
Ah, puberty. Don't worry, you're just going through natural changes. Most boys do indeed grow into men. Some, however, grow into women. I think you should be glad to at least know what direction you're headed.
 

WildVolley

Legend
YES!!! That's what I wanted to describe! My racquet head flops backward with my wrist. Could you explain what extending the elbow and patting the dog means? Or refer me to some pictures?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THDXyS3BZKg

Go to about 3 minutes into the following video and then do what the pros do.

That outward pressing motion on the front-side of the body is the elbow extension or pat-the-dog.

Good luck and take video of yourself to make certain that you're doing it.
 

caugas

Semi-Pro
As I get older, my opponents will only hit harder and harder. I need a shorter backswing to handle pace better. Plus I feel like I had a shorter backswing during the summer while I was playing some pretty good tennis.

But I have to admit, I'd be lying if I said I didn't want more of an ATP forehand for the aesthetics as well.


Really, most of the women on tour can handle pace and hit with a WTA FH, who are you playing with, are they hitting harder than Li Na, Serena Williams, or maria Sharvapova? Unless you are hitting with superior players your big back swing will be fine...
 

jrs

Professional
I like it...

You can start your takeback with both hands until it reaches around 45 degrees to the front/side, then let go, pointing your left elbow at the incoming ball. That usually keeps the rackethand from going too far back.
Nice suggestion! Just what I needed.
 

oble

Hall of Fame
YES!!! That's what I wanted to describe! My racquet head flops backward with my wrist. Could you explain what extending the elbow and patting the dog means? Or refer me to some pictures?

Pat the dog:

RF+FHT-2+FFM+markup.jpg


Federer-Forehand-Torso-Rotation.jpg


Also, keeping the left hand on the racquet until the body is pretty much side-on:

federer-forehand-stroke.jpg
 

Dly

Rookie
Really, most of the women on tour can handle pace and hit with a WTA FH, who are you playing with, are they hitting harder than Li Na, Serena Williams, or maria Sharvapova? Unless you are hitting with superior players your big back swing will be fine...

I prefer the look of the ATP one...heh...heh :)
 

hawk eye

Hall of Fame
Are you also shrieking high and loud on every hit and fistpumping after every point you win? If not, I wouldn't worry too much.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I struggled to stop doing the WTA take back and I think I finally fixed that.

For me at least the idea of a "take back" was messing me up and I was doing everything with my arm. The arm would take the racket back and that would always lead to the wta style.

I worked hard to not "take the racket back". The keys were a proper ready position and just turning the torso and starting the swing from that position. I watched fed for hours and he really just turns the body and is ready to swing. Very little takeback with the arm.

So my two cents is to really focus on the unit turn and starting your swing pretty much from there.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Watching that famous Dolgopov vs Monfils hitting vid, neither guy really does a modern ATP 2 handed take back the first quarter of the backswing.
Both take the racket back basically one handed, with the other hand just pointing at the incoming ball with hand or elbow.
 

WildVolley

Legend
A WTA forehand is better than 100% of the forehands on this forum.

No it isn't. We're talking about a style of swing, not how well any particular individual hits.

There's no reason to attack people who want to hit with an ATP-style rather than a WTA-style.

The white knighting in defense professional women tennis players on this forum is petty and stupid - actually as stupid as most of those who claim they could easily beat a top 100 WTA pro. The top women players have the consolation of the millions they earn even if it causes you great anger that some here don't wish to emulate their form.
 
No it isn't. We're talking about a style of swing, not how well any particular individual hits.

There's no reason to attack people who want to hit with an ATP-style rather than a WTA-style.

The white knighting in defense professional women tennis players on this forum is petty and stupid - actually as stupid as most of those who claim they could easily beat a top 100 WTA pro. The top women players have the consolation of the millions they earn even if it causes you great anger that some here don't wish to emulate their form.

Yes. I don't think that the ATP vs WTA FH difference is that big of a deal but the reason why WTA Players beat Players of this Forum is because they have hit millions more balls in their life and because they are highly trained athletes.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
OK, I be the devil's advocate. I think the ATP FH is fundamentally better because it is more compact, quicker to the mark and more efficient (less moving parts). I also think the WTA FH evolved as most WTA pros learned to play when they were under 10 and needed a big swing to whack the heck out of the ball as their cute little pig tails flew up into the air. Specifically, I think laying the racket head back beyond the back is bad technique that should be corrected in rec players. Also, keeping 2 hands on the frame n prep position and waiting for the ball to bounce (roughly) allows you to vary the size of the take back - small when hitting on the rise and bigger when you have a sitter to whack.

So, I agree with op that learning a compact swing is beneficial and should be pursued.

To learn it:

1. reference lock and roll tennis site for the fundamentals
2. keep 2 hands on the racket as you turn shoulders into prep - keep 2 hands on the racket until you start the swing
3. work on swinging by taking a small loop back and down where the racket hand and racket head never go back beyone the plane of your shoulders

In practice rallys, try thinking turn to prep with 2 hands on, small take back and let the racket hand lay back as you pull the core and arm forward.

look at this link and the Henin video at the top of the page - small take back, arm and hand lag core when starting forward - good, simple, clean efficient FH.

http://www.40lovetenniscamp.com/justinehenin
 

Dly

Rookie
Where is your current forehand breaking down? Why does changing this fix it. Don't think future problems that you might have, think now problems

It's currently breaking down due to a lack of practice honestly. I'm just rusty. But I also would like to get rid of the backswing.
 
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