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Out of those 3, who gives federer the worst "match-up problem" on hardcourts?
Nadal, still.
Murray can only beat Federer in a Masters.
Djokovic has to dig deep to beat Federer everywhere (last 2 Us Opens), got bageled the last time they played on a hard court.
Not true! Murray and Djokovic have a 9 wins on HC against Federer, Nadal have a 5! :|
How many times did they played on hard courts?
Federer-Nadal - 11 times
Federer-Murray - 16 times
Federer-Djokovic - gazillion times
Federer-Nadal are pretty much dead even on hard courts in h2h but Nadal leads 2-0 in majors (both at the AO)
Federer-Murray are also pretty much dead even (9-7 to Murray) but Federer has won the only meetings in majors (in straight sets both times)
Federer-Djokovic - Djokovic has the most wins against Federer in HC majors but Federer has still a healthy lead in the h2h (12-9). Also Djokovic is the only other member of the top 4 who Federer leads in the hardcourt outdoor h2h.
Nadal had always been the guy to truly trouble Fed. Djoker proved though he could really put the hurting on Fed in Australia and other slow courts.. While Faster hard courts, its more even.
I would like to see a few Nadal-Fed matches at the USO to see how that goes there.. But my suspicion has always been Nadal would take Fed out there more times then not
Murray.. Not even part of the equation.. He can't do anything to Fed at slams.
Out of those 3, who gives federer the worst "match-up problem" on hardcourts?
You mean 2013 and beyond when Federer is 32 years old?
Can't change history but I would love to see Nadal play Federer at one of the US Opens in 2004-2007,
Out of those 3, who gives federer the worst "match-up problem" on hardcourts?
In Feds prime...only Nadal
Currently...all of the above
:lol::lol::lol::lol: Murray beats Federer at Cincinnati 2006 2:0
Prime for prime of course. Post 2007 Nadal and Pre-2009 or 2010 Federer. 2004-2007 is Fed's main peak years, yet Nadal still had yet to come into his own.. He was failing to even make hard court SF appearances on hard court slams at the time.
:lol::lol: Murray beats Federer at Cincinnati 2006 2:0
Out of the top 3, definitely Nadal or Murray. But I think Berdych is the worst hard court matchup on tour for Federer, maybe even including Nadal. Even though Nadal and Murray are superior players to him, Berdych just poses so many problems to Fed and the match is definitely on his racquet when they play.
Gasquet beat him in his prime as well. What's your point
OP ask about hard courts....
Nadal obviously. While vastly underrated on hard courts on Tennis Nadal hateorade Warehouse he is arguably the weakest hard courter of the three, certainly weaker than Djokovic. Yet despite that has by far the best record vs Federer on outdoor hard courts. Had he not choked a big lead in the 05 Miami final he would have won his 3 hard court matches with peak Federer as a 17-19 year old, something Djokovic a superior hard court player would never come anywhere near doing.
to answer the thread question :
nadal ~ djoker > murray on slow HC ...
murray ~ djoker >> nadal on fast HC ...
but I'd take fed at his best over any of them at their best on any HC ...
That's becoming hard to define on this forum, according to a number of people Fed's best tennis is lasting almost a decade now, which of course makes other members of the top 4 look like complete wussies in comparison as they can't even scrap together 3 years of being at their best combined .
That said, presuming all 3 are at their best, I wouldn't favour Fed over Nadal or Novak on a slow outdoor HC, fast HC? Sure, let's say even a medium one (something like rebound ace) but on slow outdoor HC? Can't see it, I'd favour both of them over Fed in that scenario even at Fed's best to be honest.
well even with federer serving crappily and both playing well off the ground, federer had won quite a few more points vs nadal in the AO 2009 final till the breakdown in the final set .....
even vs an error-prone federer, almost all the sets b/w him and novak @ the AO in 2008/11 were very close ......
when I say that I mean his level of play in matches like the SF/F vs tsonga/murray in AO 2010 , QF vs delpo in AO 2009 ( though delpo played poorly ) ...