One handed backhand, please comment!

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Kevo

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Limpinhitter said:
Edberg always used an eastern bh grip on his topsin bh.
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It's been claimed on these forums that he used a continental grip for both backhand and forehand. Some of those people seem to be claiming that the continental is a good choice of grip for a one handed backhand.

I don't know for sure what he used to use. The old footage I've seen it's hard to tell. Anyway, it makes more sense to me that he didn't, but it seems to have legs on this forum, so I don't know.
 
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Kevo

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Limpinhitter said:
What bjg game player has Nadal ever played? Do you know what the big game is?
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Apparently not. If it has something to do with another sport it's almost certain I'm clueless. Tennis is about all I follow, and even then it's only when I have the time and opportunity. Don't have cable so it's what I can see on the main networks or find online.
 
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Kevo said:
Apparently not. If it has something to do with another sport it's almost certain I'm clueless. Tennis is about all I follow, and even then it's only when I have the time and opportunity. Don't have cable so it's what I can see on the main networks or find online.
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The “big game” is attacking the net on both serve and return games as a primary tactic. It was basically invented by Jack Kramer in the early 50’s and prevailed as the dominant approach for many players until about 20 years ago.
 
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Kevo

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Yeah, maybe that's what it used to be. Now, at least in the circles I run it, it seems to mean a big serve and big groundstrokes.

What you describe as big game, I would call an attacking game, or net rushing, or possibly desperation depending on who's doing it. :)

Oh, and Nadal would call it target practice. ;)
 
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Kevo said:
Yeah, maybe that's what it used to be. Now, at least in the circles I run it, it seems to mean a big serve and big groundstrokes.

What you describe as big game, I would call an attacking game, or net rushing, or possibly desperation depending on who's doing it. :)

Oh, and Nadal would call it target practice. ;)
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No. The “big game” is attacking the net as a primary tactic by definition. It’s not because I describe it as such. I did not invent the term. Playing from the backcourt as a primary tactic is the antithesis of the big game.
 
zalive

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Limpinhitter said:
No. The “big game” is attacking the net as a primary tactic by definition. It’s not because I describe it as such. I did not invent the term. Playing from the backcourt as a primary tactic is the antithesis of the big game.
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Well, courts for the big game pretty much disappeared from GS and ATP 1000 and 500, with some leftovers...it's something that is hard to explain tho to all tennis players who either don't know or don't remember how it used to be. So they probably have a hard time imagining how the same big game would be as effective nowadays with court speed from back then. It's really easy to think poly alone killed the style while disregarding the rest of change.
 
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zalive said:
Well, courts for the big game pretty much disappeared from GS and ATP 1000 and 500, with some leftovers...it's something that is hard to explain tho to all tennis players who either don't know or don't remember how it used to be. So they probably have a hard time imagining how the same big game would be as effective nowadays with court speed from back then. It's really easy to think poly alone killed the style while disregarding the rest of change.
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Obviously, you are not familiar with the history of the game. Several factors contributed to the disappearance of the big game. Back to the sub-topic, suffice it to say that, in my view, it would still prevail on grass courts if there were any top players sufficiently skilled in the big game.
 
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Limpinhitter said:
Obviously, you are not familiar with the history of the game. Several factors contributed to the disappearance of the big game. Back to the sub-topic, suffice it to say that, in my view, it would still prevail on grass courts if there were any top players sufficiently skilled in the big game.
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We obviously disagree with the main reason. Give back carpet indoor tournaments and fast hard courts on some big tournaments like there used to be, and it will be back, I can guarantee.
Skilled players for that disappeared because appeal to develop this game has disappeared. With appearing of slow courts all over. Even Wimbledon is nowhere near as fast like it used to be.
 
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zalive said:
We obviously disagree with the main reason. Give back carpet indoor tournaments and fast hard courts on some big tournaments like there used to be, and it will be back, I can guarantee.
Skilled players for that disappeared because appeal to develop this game has disappeared. With appearing of slow courts all over. Even Wimbledon is nowhere near as fast like it used to be.
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It appears that we agree, except that the grass at Wimbledon remains the fastest and lowest bouncing surface on the tour (with the exception of the other few remaining grass events). The only change made to the surface at Wimbledon was in 2001. Previously, it was 70% rye and 30% fescue. In 2001 it was changed to 100% rye. The speed of the surface is almost identical.
 
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Limpinhitter said:
It appears that we agree, except that the grass at Wimbledon remains the fastest and lowest bouncing surface on the tour (with the exception of the other few remaining grass events). The only change made to the surface at Wimbledon was in 2001. Previously, it was 70% rye and 30% fescue. In 2001 it was changed to 100% rye. The speed of the surface is almost identical.
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"Previously, it was 70% rye and 30% fescue. In 2001 it was changed to 100% rye. The speed of the surface is almost identical."

Are you Cliff from Cheers? :cool:
 
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steve s

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ME LIKE: Your rhythmic take back and swing looks nice. I am also working on this, I got the idea from COCO'S two hander, you should have posted sooner.

I am having trouble getting height on my stroke. You seem to get good height--- any tips ???

LIMPIN: thanks for the Edberg clip

Which present American players have good 1hbh???
 
wings56

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I mean we're splitting hairs here.... but you posted the video literally asking...

I'd like to see the right wrist picked up higher than you are doing now. You're getting maybe 4 to 6 inches of total change in vertical elevation (prior to contact) on that wrist. The more modern style (Gasquet) one handers will pick the wrist and racquet quite high above the ball before dipping below the ball and into the strike zone. Federer is much more classical in this approach with probably only about 12 or so inches of vertical elevation change in his wrist compared to about 2 feet of movement from Gasquet. Just look at their backhands in slow motion to see the difference.

It also seems there is little wrist rotation with your stroke. Not that I think you should be slapping at the ball, but using your wrist to get a little more windshield wiper motion could be beneficial. Would give you more spin and control, assuming you can adjust your timing.

You might possible be opening up your chest too quickly? It could just be a function of your arm straightening out too soon before contact. Ideally, your elbow would remain bent until as close to contact as possible.

My $.02.
 
Tennis-melike

Tennis-melike

Rookie
steve s said:
ME LIKE: Your rhythmic take back and swing looks nice. I am also working on this, I got the idea from COCO'S two hander, you should have posted sooner.

I am having trouble getting height on my stroke. You seem to get good height--- any tips ???

LIMPIN: thanks for the Edberg clip

Which present American players have good 1hbh???
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One thing I try to focus on is getting decent leg drive, a low starting stance invariably ends with a high finish - for me anyway. At the end of the day, low start, high finish and more or less vertical at contact will end with decent topspin and height
 
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Limpinhitter said:
The “big game” is attacking the net on both serve and return games as a primary tactic. It was basically invented by Jack Kramer in the early 50’s and prevailed as the dominant approach for many players until about 20 years ago.
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If Nadal beats a lot of "big game" players, would he be considered a big game hunter?
 
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Mahboob Khan

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Tennis-melike said:
Hey Guys - It's been a while since i last posted, I had injured my back and since then changed to a one-handed backhand.

Can you give me some comments as to what i'm doing well and what can i do better? -Technical Prep, unit turn, contact, follow through, etc... One thing i'd really like to incorporate is fluidity

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Not bad.

I do not understand as to why you are hitting from quite inside the baseline?

With short pants you will bend well, and move well.

The rest is just practice. Practice from the baseline, and then live hit with someone. Once you get some degree of confidence you may start playing points, sets, matches, etc.
 
Tennis-melike

Tennis-melike

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Yeah, I hurt my back recently so I've been trying to just focus on easier hits - once I've got my movement back, I can do live hits. Pants keep the mosquitos away, been very wet around these parts lately
 
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