please rate two friends of mines

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tonygao

Rookie
first vid, I was on the far end with purple shirt, my friend was in blue shirt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mKoqIghj_s


second vid, my friend was playing against another friend, who was in red shirt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agvKSTCOGc4

please let me know what you think about their levels.

thanks.

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after having seen the first a few replies, I decided to add some background info.

first vid, no editing except for DF, recording two complete games. final score: blue beat purple by 6:2
second vid, only includes HL, actually red player made lots of DFs and UEs. final score: blue beat read by 6:1

now, please continue the rating............
 
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thegreatgiroux

New User
I'd pretty much agree with that...
The guy in the blue would honestly be a really good 3.5 or a really weak 4.0.
The guy in the Red seems solidly a 4.0.
 
tennismonkey

tennismonkey

Semi-Pro
1st guy in blue: low 3.5. needs better footwork and anticipation.

2nd guy in red: solid 4.0 to possibly low 4.5. opponent in blue shirt didn't have the weapons to expose what looked like a weak backhand side. a stronger opponent might be able to pick on this side and get a lot of short balls. blue shirt had a lot of short balls that he attempted to attack but he had almost no transition game.
 
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Mrnoital

Banned
First video,
Purple - 4.0
Blue - 3.0-3.5

2nd video
Red guy's serve looks good for a 4.0 but his shots are pretty loopy for a 4.0.
 
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rkelley

Hall of Fame
Just looked at the first video and focused on Mr. blue shirt. I'd say 3.5, maybe a weak 4.0. I never saw him hit a bh (which is Mr. purple shirt's fault - good on Mr. blue shirt for being able to run around every bh), so I can't comment on this usually critical stroke. His fh and serve both have some significant technical issues, but he gets them over pretty consistently and they're effective enough.
 
Mr.Lob

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
tonygao said:
first vid, I was on the far end with purple shirt, my friend was in blue shirt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mKoqIghj_s


second vid, my friend was playing against another friend, who was in red shirt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agvKSTCOGc4

please let me know what you think about their levels.

thanks.

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after having seen the first a few replies, I decided to add some background info.

first vid, no editing except for DF, recording two complete games. final score: blue beat purple by 6:2
second vid, only includes HL, actually red player made lots of DFs and UEs. final score: blue beat read by 6:1

now, please continue the rating............
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I'd say blue guy a solid 3.0 or weak 3.5
Red shirt 3.5 to weak 4.0
 
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Mrnoital

Banned
After watching again a 4.0 should be able to rally for more than 3 or 4 shots and you can't blame it on the guy in the blue because the red guy has a lot of unforced errors as well. My daughter's matches as a 4.0 have 10-12 ball rallies all the time and their shots are not as loopy.
 
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MurrayMyInspiration

Guest
I rate them both as bad players. Not very good at tennis.
 
GoaLaSSo

GoaLaSSo

Semi-Pro
Loopy does not mean they are bad... A lot of really good players hit loopy strokes.

These ratings are pretty harsh. I can't really tell how good purple is because of how short the video is.

The blue and red guy have some solid points and both consistently hit the ball pretty deep. Other than a few silly mistakes they seemed to be pretty good. Both guys have solid movement as well. Blue's footwork could use some work, but he still is pretty fast. His serve isn't the greatest, but he makes up for it in other areas.

It is hard to tell over camera, but I would say red and blue are at least solid 4.0 and my gut tells me closer to 4.5.

Edit : Just read that these were the highlights... You can't really tell how good people are based on highlights. I would say both would fall in 4.0 then if they had a lot of points with errors.
 
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rkelley

Hall of Fame
Watched the second video. Mr. Red Shirt has some decent strokes. bh slice was the weakest thing I saw. The biggest issue is that he just seems to be walking over to a number of his strokes. I realize that with all of the moon balls it takes forever and a day for the ball to get over the net, but he needs to take the set-up seriously. That should help reduce the UFEs. The other thing for Mr. Red Shirt is to use the whole court on both sides. Make Mr. Blue Shirt hit some bhs, hit short and bring Mr. Blue Shirt in and then pass him or lob him. And he can come in himself a lot more. Push Mr. Blue Shirt back on the bh side, come in, and hit the volley or the overhead. It doesn't appear that Mr. Blue Shirt would have an answer to a deep ball the bh and Mr. Red Shirt up at the net other than to lob.

Mr. Red Shirt has the better strokes. If he can cut down the UFEs and DFs, and develop a strategy he should be able beat Mr. Blue Shirt.

The level thing is so hard to do because while the strokes look like a solid 4.0, if he can't beat the Mr. Blue Shirt then he's not there yet.
 
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Mrnoital

Banned
italia said:
Agree with most people here. Red is solid 4.0 and Blue is weak 4.0
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It's all just conjuncture but my daughter who is considered a 4.0 has many long rallies with 4.0-5.0 players. You would expect thes guys to have a few 10-12 or 15 ball rallies.
 
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italia

New User
Mrnoital said:
It's all just conjuncture but my daughter who is considered a 4.0 has many long rallies with 4.0-5.0 players. You would expect thes guys to have a few 10-12 or 15 ball rallies.
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Agree. The NTRP itself is not clear and subjective. I used to play in USTA league at 3.5 level and I saw a much variety of 3.5 players. some are even stronger than the one in red.

People should use Elo rating system in tennis more.
 
Topspin Shot

Topspin Shot

Legend
italia said:
Agree with most people here. Red is solid 4.0 and Blue is weak 4.0
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Actually, blue is the best player of the lot; he wins both sets handily. And MMI, you still haven't replied to my previous query. What do you think of the poster mmu's game?
 
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Baxter

Baxter

Professional
Topspin Shot said:
Actually, blue is the best player of the lot; he wins both sets handily. And MMI, you still haven't replied to my previous query. What do you think of the poster mmu's game?
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I think I know where you're going with this. Everybody looks high 3.5 to low 4.0 to me and the guy in light blue is either a hooker or blind.
 
psv255

psv255

Professional
Mrnoital said:
Perhaps but shouldn't the fact that there are no rallies longer than 4 shots tell us something about their play? The 4.0 players I see on an almost daily basis rally for 10-12 or more shots consistently.
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pretty sure the number of balls hit depends on the match-up of playing styles. There are s&v-ers who have success at many different competitive levels, and rallies are few and far in between regardless of level.
 
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PeterWA

New User
Well, I was humbled after hearing I was a 4.0 but accepted it.

However,...after watching both videos before looking at the comments, I honestly thought Mr. Blue was a 3.5 and Mr. Red a weak 4.0.

I guess either I am wrong or my rating and standard is wrong...
 
nhat8121

nhat8121

Semi-Pro
Mrnoital said:
:confused: Loopy shots = easily attacked. I've never heard anyone actually claim loopy shots are an asset.
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this guy...

lmao

I saw this guy played, he's really good, he can just 1 hit winner from the baselines all day. No need to construct points. Haahaha.
 
nhat8121

nhat8121

Semi-Pro
PeterWA said:
Well, I was humbled after hearing I was a 4.0 but accepted it.

However,...after watching both videos before looking at the comments, I honestly thought Mr. Blue was a 3.5 and Mr. Red a weak 4.0.

I guess either I am wrong or my rating and standard is wrong...
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TT standard is just high, everyone here is at least 1 lvl above their real game.
 
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Mrnoital

Banned
psv255 said:
pretty sure the number of balls hit depends on the match-up of playing styles. There are s&v-ers who have success at many different competitive levels, and rallies are few and far in between regardless of level.
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:confused: But they are not serve and volleying in the video. They are just missing a lot.
 
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PeterWA

New User
PeterWA said:
Well, I was humbled after hearing I was a 4.0 but accepted it.

However,...after watching both videos before looking at the comments, I honestly thought Mr. Blue was a 3.5 and Mr. Red a weak 4.0.

I guess either I am wrong or my rating and standard is wrong...
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Sorry, correction. I realized I meant to say that I thought Mr. Blue was a weak 3.5 and Mr. Red a 3.5.

I meant to say that either me or my rating was wrong, meaning that I was wrong or that I'm maybe not really a 4.0 because I honestly don't think Mr. Red could be a 4.0...
 
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Deleted member 232704

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PeterWA said:
Well, I was humbled after hearing I was a 4.0 but accepted it.

However,...after watching both videos before looking at the comments, I honestly thought Mr. Blue was a 3.5 and Mr. Red a weak 4.0.

I guess either I am wrong or my rating and standard is wrong...
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Red played well with using a variety of shots and strategies. Blue didnt use a variety of shots and didnt have a good net game.

Peter, i'm assuming your the Peter that I played against in doubles, I would not say your a 4.0. You're more of a lower or extremely close 4.5. You definitely have an upper 4.5 serve.
 
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PeterWA

New User
Andyroo10567 said:
Red played well with using a variety of shots and strategies. Blue didnt use a variety of shots and didnt have a good net game.

Peter, i'm assuming your the Peter that I played against in doubles, I would not say your a 4.0. You're more of a lower or extremely close 4.5. You definitely have an upper 4.5 serve.
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Just out of curiosity, when would we have played? I haven't had the chance to meet anyone on here that I know from tennis :)
 
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Deleted member 232704

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PeterWA said:
Just out of curiosity, when would we have played? I haven't had the chance to meet anyone on here that I know from tennis :)
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Auburn Game Farm Park? For highschool league.
If i remember correctly, before your Pure Storm, you had a Dunlop 300 i think..
 
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tonygao

Rookie
video can be deceptive.

the truth is, Mr.Blue is 4.0 who have won many local tournament in 3.0, 3.5, even 4.0.

Mr.Red has good strokes but lack of experience and patience, who can get easily beaten by Mr.Blue, so I will put him in strong 3.5+.

the weakness of Mr.Blue is the netgame, but his baseline game is very solid, it would take a 4.5+ to destroy him from the baseline.
 
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gameboy

Hall of Fame
Another pointless exercise. The rating is not for gymnastics or figure skating. It does not matter what your form looks like. Only thing that matters is whether or not you are competitive against other computer rated players. All this discussion amount to jack squat. If you want a rating go out and play.
 
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tonygao said:
video can be deceptive.

the truth is, Mr.Blue is 4.0 who have won many local tournament in 3.0, 3.5, even 4.0.

Mr.Red has good strokes but lack of experience and patience, who can get easily beaten by Mr.Blue, so I will put him in strong 3.5+.

the weakness of Mr.Blue is the netgame, but his baseline game is very solid, it would take a 4.5+ to destroy him from the baseline.
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Well also a 4.5 would understand that he has a weak netgame. Bringing Mr.Blue up to the net would be a breeze with a well placed drop shot.
 
JoelDali

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
4.5 groundies
3.5 serves
4.0 footwork
Rising 4.5 mental toughness

Mid-range 4.5, final answer.
 
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mrpeterman

Banned
JoelDali said:
Rising 4.5 mental toughness
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LOL!!!


USTA 4.5 leagues around here consists of a lot of former college players and current teaching pros. In spite of the "Rising mental toughness" of these players, they wouldn't know what hit them. It wouldn't be remotely competitively.
 
Bartelby

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I'd second this opinion and people need to look at the descriptors given of the various levels to get their criteria straight.



fruitytennis1 said:
Video is very deceptive. TW as a whole consistently underrates those in videos. "Fruity" happens to also be a better, more experienced player than you :)
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JoelDali

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
When I was on the mens 4.5 tour my agent would sit in the stands and listen to what others would say about me. Some would mock my mental instabilities. Others would prognosticate on my eventual rise to 4.5 GOAThood.

My favorites were:

1. He's as cool as ice - like Borg
2. He's a basket case
3. He just broke the new Sampras 88 racquet on the net post.
4. That guy is not a 3.5
5. He's wearing Nike - he must be solid.
6. He's a head case
7. He will never be a rising 5.0
8. He has a Sampras 6 pack GOAT bag
9. If you call out close balls he will scream and wig out and surely lose
10. He has spider veins on his cankles - I wonder if he's anemic
 
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