Prince - New form of energy?

themitchmann

Hall of Fame
They're reintroduced more material into the ported areas of the frame to make up for the empty space from the ports themselves. I think more people will play these stock than previous Prince sticks.
 

naylor

Semi-Pro
It's all pure physics. If you introduce a row of holes at the neutral axis of a beam, this effectively reduces the self weight of the beam... which makes the entire structure lighter... and then you have very complex maths to calculate what the size of the holes do to the strength and load bearing capacity of the beam. But most of the maths have been calculated for building construction, namely, supporting weight load from above. In a tennis racket, some of that load comes from impact (so, internally, when the strings pull and twist the frame inwards), or even from the very simple situation when you "tap" the frame on the ground reaching from a low volley (an external force).

But what the holes do by reducing weight/mass in the frame is reducing momentum at impact for the same speed of swing, i.e. with lower weight you have to swing faster to generate the same momentum at impact. And it is this momentum that you pass onto the incoming ball (some gets used up to stop the momentum of the incoming ball - which comes fast but it's a relatively light thing compared to the racketweight - and the rest is used to sent it back to the other side of the net).

What Prince have done is to realise that by making holes they've taken away mass so - for the same swingspeed - they've taken away momentum. By putting back "material" they've put back the weight they took off (basically, they're leading up the frame for you), so they've restored momentum.

Frankly, it's a big con. They first take weight away, launch a series of models, and make lots of bucks from us suckers. But some of us complain the rackets are muted and start tinkering with weights to restore the weight and feel. So now they launch a newer model, both with holes and extra weighting to get us back to square one. It reminds me of Microsoft, in the old days they "had to grow", so they launched a half-baked new version of Windows because they had announced it and were missing the deadline; but then they realised it had faults, so they launched Service Pack 1; but after a while there were still faults (some of them triggered by the first Pack), so they launched Service Pack 2 - they throw a patch to cure a problem triggered by the first patch, and so on, whereas in fact if they had got it right in the first instance you (the paying customer) wouldn't need to b*gger about with upgrades any further. Unfortunately, if you get it right first-time, your sales suffer as people don't see the need to buy flaky upgrades.

So, my take on Prince's 2009 "energy restoring" range is - they sold you a problem-creating, energy-reducing patch (the holes) first time round; they're are now selling you a second, problem-solving, energy-restoring patch. But it is "their" patch solution, and if you buy their new frames but their solution doesn't quite agree with the way you've been solving their momentum-stealing problem till now (with your own leading), then you'll have to go through yet another round of tinkering with weights on the new frames you buy to get back to the frame characteristics you want to play with. It's just not worth the trouble and money.

That's why people still talk about the classic POGs. I used those and loved them, but as soon as they were superceded and Prince went for NXGs (which I tried but didn't like), and then started drilling holes in frames and changing the holes every season, I moved to another make - which in turn did the same thing, n90s to k90s, etc. My coach uses Diablos, which haven't changed for years (no holes there), and has them custom-matched, which of course is a lot easier to do if the base stock frame doesn't change from season to season.

In my view, ideally you have to find a "classic" neutral frame that you like (weight, swingweight, balance, etc.) and will remain unchanged for years (or else you have to be prepared to buy a stock of frames). And then you customise them and change them as your game progresses. Which is another reason why pros don't change frames, they simply get the manufacturers to do PJs on the customised frames they have developed their game on - their personal molds.
 

Voltron

Hall of Fame
^^^

Excuse me sir, but did you just self-censor the word "bugger"? Are we really living the that much of a PC society. :(
 

JSummers

Rookie
well, a racket is not just about weight and materials. What the port does is also for aerodynamics. So you can have the same exact weight/swing weight but it swings faster easier because of less air resistance.

Example: get a paper fan, swing it. Now poke some holes with a pen (not removing any paper), swing again. See?
 
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themitchmann

Hall of Fame
Though the ports in the original O3's meant removing material, it also meant more string movement. In essence, Prince wanted to create a larger sweetspot by allowing more string movement at contact. The ports also functioned to reduce drag during the swing. The O3's were more than just trying to lighten a racquet to make it swing faster...in fact, most racquet companies have low swing weight, head heavy frames. With any new idea, there are sure to be unforeseen complications...or at least things that could make it better. Prince has realized this and corrected the issue. They've listened to the players and provided them with what they've asked for. I don't expect a racquet company to make a racquet that I won't customize to my specs, so I don't expect it from Prince either. I'm fine with leading up and matching my sticks. I enjoy the process.
 
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El Guapo

Semi-Pro
Though the ports in the original O3's meant removing material, it also meant more string movement. In essence, Prince wanted to create a larger sweetspot by allowing more string movement at contact. The ports also functioned to reduce drag during the swing. The O3's were more than just trying to lighten a racquet to make it swing faster...in fact, most racquet companies has low swing weight, head heavy frames. With any new idea, there are sure to be unforeseen complications...or at least things that could make it better. Prince has realized this and corrected the issue. They've listened to the players and provided them with what they've asked for. I don't expect a racquet company to make a racquet that I won't customize to my specs, so I don't expect it from Prince either. I'm fine with leading up and matching my sticks. I enjoy the process.
Finally. Someone who understands. ^^^
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
They're reintroduced more material into the ported areas of the frame to make up for the empty space from the ports themselves. I think more people will play these stock than previous Prince sticks.

I didn't find this info in the video. Where did you get it?
 

Racketdesign

Semi-Pro
Just to chip in for a moment... the weight of the racquet has not been reduced by the introduction of larger holes. This would be correct if the racquet was made from a solid material, but it isnt, its a hollow structure. The walls of the racquet are about 1mm thick and the larger holes actually increase the amount of material used in construction.

Just thought I should point it out.
 

themitchmann

Hall of Fame
Just to chip in for a moment... the weight of the racquet has not been reduced by the introduction of larger holes. This would be correct if the racquet was made from a solid material, but it isnt, its a hollow structure. The walls of the racquet are about 1mm thick and the larger holes actually increase the amount of material used in construction.
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Assuming the surface area is increased to seal the walls of the ports? Makes sense. I think due to the design of the racquets, it makes it more difficult to increase mass in these areas in comparison to a racquet without ports.

Nonetheless, many feel that the ported locations on the racquet need more mass (including myself). Of course, many people lead those areas with other brands as well.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Just to chip in for a moment... the weight of the racquet has not been reduced by the introduction of larger holes. This would be correct if the racquet was made from a solid material, but it isnt, its a hollow structure. The walls of the racquet are about 1mm thick and the larger holes actually increase the amount of material used in construction.

Just thought I should point it out.

Very good! I need to keep reminding myself that a frame is hollow inside, unless it is injected with foam. I assume the holes require more material because the "edges" have to sealed.
 

Totoro

New User
Interesting conversation guys. I always thought the newer O-ported frames felt extremely dense for their thin construction. Their frames are 2 pieces put together in a zipper-like fashion which I assume has something to do with that feeling for me.

I agree with naylor though about the "patching" When the first O-ports came out I knew they didn't get it right the first time... the flex was strange and the configurations of ports still needed to be tuned. They've come a long way though so let's see if the new "patch" works out.
 
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