donnayblack99
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So, I'm interested in the differences in feel, control, power, etc. between these two. I've played the POG for years and thinking about making the move to one or the other... let's discuss your impressions.
Huge following from TTW maybe. Unfortunately the average rec players wouldn't even consider it after looking at its head size and static weight, which is a shame.Imo, the frame is so well made that even if Prince introduces another in-between string pattern (*16x19), there would be a huge following. Maybe there will be 93P Control (*18x20), 93P Power (*16x19) & 93P Spin (*14x18).
Huge following from TTW maybe. Unfortunately the average rec players wouldn't even consider it after looking at its head size and static weight, which is a shame.
The average guy truly believes he needs a tweener to compete.
If you cant hit the tweener are you even playing tennis though?
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A tweener is not a game improvement stick, but allows players with average tennis knowledge still to play a decent tennis game.
The same is for skiing, you see on the slopes the average skiers with the world cup skis how to torture themselves, on the other hand, those with easy carving skis make nice turns ...
Were these 3.5s older players? Seems like there's cut off between flat hitters and topspin hitters somewhere around age 40-50.I walked into a 3.5 mixer this morning in the Desert with all these 3.5’s using tweeners. Everyone hit flat balls. They had no clue how to deal with my topspin FH. They were shocked I could direct my serve. I won all my sets 6-2 or better and at the end they all said, “your no 3.5 with that FH”. Meanwhile I was thinking why all these flat hitting intermediates were rocking Pure Drives and Wilson Ultras and just hitting flat bunty shots around. Here I am with an 18x20 mid and getting way more topspin than any of them.
Again I’ll just keep this racket as my secret weapon. Spin is still mostly technique.
Again you are wrong in your comparison. Plenty of people at 4.0 can play with a frame like the p93 without torturing themselves at all. You grossly overrate the impact of the racquet.
Is the 14x18 pattern going to eat strings?
Were these 3.5s older players? Seems like there's cut off between flat hitters and topspin hitters somewhere around age 40-50.
Were these 3.5s older players? Seems like there's cut off between flat hitters and topspin hitters somewhere around age 40-50.
They were in their late forties with a couple 70 year olds. I was 3rd oldest in this group of 8.
I just wonder if people get success too easily with tweeners that they don’t really delve into technique enough. I used to think people played them because they were addicted to spin, but maybe it’s still the easy power. At least for the 3.0-3.5 crowd.
You bet it will. Solinco Hyper G 17 lasts 1/3 less in my PP100P (16x18) than it does in my 93P (18x20), so you can imagine what a 14x18 pattern will do. Of all the racquets I have owned over 40+ years, the Prince Graphite Pro 90, which was also 14x18, was the one I broke strings fastest with.
The 14x18 pattern probably demands a 16 or 16L gauge in the 93P, while the 18x 20 93P works best with 17 or 18 gauge.
Agreed. Can't remember the last time when TTW's Racquet forum's first page had this many Prince threads.I've been using the Exo3 93 for years, which is almost identical in spec to the Phantom 93, but has the string pattern sitting between the two at 16\18. I find this string pattern to be perfect for the 93 head size, so I hope the powers that be do produce a Phantom in that string pattern. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be the most popular. It's great to see Prince back on the map though for the tennis connoisseurs.
I briefly tried out the 14x18 during my warm-up session before my USTA match yesterday. Felt like I had much less power than the 18x20 for some reason on groundstrokes. Strung it with Alu Power 125 at 46lbs. It still had plenty of pop on serve though but felt I had less control on serve than the 18x20. Still have to get more playing time with it. I also tried my new Phantom Pro 100 18x20(strung with HyperG 17ga at 46lbs). Groundstroke felt better, hit a deeper ball with more topspin. However, serves were not as powerful as the 93p 18x20, more spin though. Felt dead in the upper hoop at times. I actually switched between the PP100 18x20(return games) and P93 18x20(service games) during the match(which I unfortunately lost).
So, I'm interested in the differences in feel, control, power, etc. between these two. I've played the POG for years and thinking about making the move to one or the other... let's discuss your impressions.
I'll make it real simple for you:
If you like tight control and lower, flatter ball to penetrate the court go for 18x20
If you like spins and angles go for 14x18
If you are not sure go for 14x18 as it is probably easier to play with for most.
Did you feel like the string pattern added any unique hitting characteristics compared to something like your DR98 lite?
You’re right. You know what works for your own body based on experience. I too, grew up learning on a wood frame and transitioned into steel then graphite. I played div 1 tennis in late 80s with a pro staff 85 and a POGO and never had any injury until I started to dabble in widebody and stiffer frames of the early 2000s. I ended up changing my swing to account for the extra power the frames provided coupled with the poly. I screwed myself up so bad that I couldn’t play or teach for a year. So now it’s 2019 and I’m looking at my bag and I see 4 POGOs strung with syn gut at 45 lbs... I guess we’re both getting old! That 93p open patten is calling my name... we’ll have to see what the spring brings. If Dunlop reissues a maxply in wood I’ll be all over it.!donnayblack99, I am in the other 10%. I have a top 30 national age ranking, was a former college all conference player, former teaching pro, tourney win over a top 100 ATP player in the early 1980's, etc. I'm still a pretty good athlete, but have a lot of mileage on the body, 4 knee surgeries, a back surgery, a couple of broken wrists, etc. The wrist is pretty arthritic. I tape it heavily before every tennis workout, or weight room workout. In most cases I can look at the specs on a frame and know if I can play with it, or if it will be too tough on the wrist. I try to stay with frames around 12 ounces with a flex in the lower 60's or below. I have a game developed in the 1970's with small head, heavy frames, so don't hit the modern huge topspin wristy shots. I've developed a little more topspin, but hit alot of slice backhands, and try to not be too wristy with my strokes. The Ezone DR 98 is so muted that I can use all poly if not strung too tight. I've used lots of different frames over the years, and have closets full of them. But yes, as you mentioned, the 100% heavier graphite frames from the early days are certainly better for your arm than the very stiff modern frames. That said, if you have a chronic issue like I do, it is very clear instantly when too much feedback comes through the frame to your wrist / arm. Before the Ezone DR 98, I played The Pacific 95 for a few years, and it was very arm friendly as well. I've pulled out old frames at times for fun to hit, the old wood frames, what I played in high school and college (Head Ashe Comp, Head Pro, Yamaha Fiberglass), and others. I'm sure I could put a soft string in the old Prince Graphite 90 and it would feel better, but I would have a tough time playing my aggressive attacking game. Was just wondering if the new Prince 93 had the exact same old school graphite feel that the 90 inch model I hit did. If so, would just transmit too much shock into my achy wrist. The Yonex seems to be amazingly muted from that standpoint. The new 93 Prince 14 x 18 sounds interesting otherwise.