professional stringer told me aeropro is horrible racket

Nina-Sky

New User
he said, he'd worked for babolat for 15 years, and told that aeropro is so stiff that its horrible racket and i would not get any feel with it what so ever. He also said i must have around 44lbs to even play with it.

he said, if you dont have rafas muscles, you will hurt yourself...

he continued, noone plays with it on tour (ecept rafa) because its not good racket.

he recommended Dunlop Biomimetic 400...

what do you think of his statements? should i return my aeropro for maybe puredrive?
 

Fed Kennedy

Legend
I agree its not the best racquet out there, but many pros play with it...schiavone, tsonga, querrey, sweeting, paire, chang, not to mention a ton of college players etc etc....its not everyones cup of tea but a lot of good players use it.
 

getsby

Semi-Pro
as many juniors use it. but all rackets, except pure storm series is not suitable for those who wait on the racquet comfort.
 

DANMAN

Professional
he said, he'd worked for babolat for 15 years, and told that aeropro is so stiff that its horrible racket and i would not get any feel with it what so ever. He also said i must have around 44lbs to even play with it.

he said, if you dont have rafas muscles, you will hurt yourself...

he continued, noone plays with it on tour (ecept rafa) because its not good racket.

he recommended Dunlop Biomimetic 400...

what do you think of his statements? should i return my aeropro for maybe puredrive?

I'd find a new stringer because yours is delusional.
 
he said, he'd worked for babolat for 15 years, and told that aeropro is so stiff that its horrible racket and i would not get any feel with it what so ever. He also said i must have around 44lbs to even play with it.

he said, if you dont have rafas muscles, you will hurt yourself...

he continued, noone plays with it on tour (ecept rafa) because its not good racket.

he recommended Dunlop Biomimetic 400...

what do you think of his statements? should i return my aeropro for maybe puredrive?

You're not playing on tour, where player's rackets (heavier, headlight, smaller head size) are the norm. Tweeners like the APDC are popular among the masses for a reason - they are much easier to use for mortals like us.
 

cluckcluck

Hall of Fame
I thought it was too stiff for me. That's just my opinion. It's fun for me for a little while, but I would never carry one in my bag as a "go to" stick.
 

2Hare

Semi-Pro
he said, he'd worked for babolat for 15 years, and told that aeropro is so stiff that its horrible racket and i would not get any feel with it what so ever. He also said i must have around 44lbs to even play with it.

he said, if you dont have rafas muscles, you will hurt yourself...

he continued, noone plays with it on tour (ecept rafa) because its not good racket.

he recommended Dunlop Biomimetic 400...

what do you think of his statements? should i return my aeropro for maybe puredrive?

Beside the hurting yourself part, AeroPro Drive is devilishly awesome! Easy spins, good power, perfect for anyone who's playing a high percentage game. Your stringer is probably quite old and play with more classical flatter follow through strokes. For this type of players, Aeropro's not gonna work for sure. it's designed to cut through air parallel to the hitter surface. it doesn't want to go through air flat as much.

If you are hurting yourself playing with it, you are probably arming it too much and not hitting the ball with good form or playing with dead polys. That's true for 95% of 3.0 or below players. That's why they end up hurting themselves using it. But right form right string, this is truly a modern classic! :twisted:
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
he said, he'd worked for babolat for 15 years, and told that aeropro is so stiff that its horrible racket and i would not get any feel with it what so ever. He also said i must have around 44lbs to even play with it.

he said, if you dont have rafas muscles, you will hurt yourself...

he continued, noone plays with it on tour (ecept rafa) because its not good racket.

he recommended Dunlop Biomimetic 400...

what do you think of his statements? should i return my aeropro for maybe puredrive?


Although I disagree with a lot of his statements, I do agree in general that the aero pro, and pure drive are not very good racquets from a quality standpoint. They tend to prematurely crack, grommets break off frequently, butt caps come loose, etc, etc. To add, they ARE very stiff frames and have a ton of vibration.

As for pros using them,,,,, there are many pros using babolats. That said, in the top 50 there is a handful, and only nadal, tsonga, and roddick use the pure drive or aero pro drive, respectfully.
 

retlod

Professional
he said, he'd worked for babolat for 15 years...aeropro is so stiff that its horrible racket...

he said, if you dont have rafas muscles, you will hurt yourself...

he recommended Dunlop Biomimetic 400...

Sounds like he has an axe to grind with his former employer. Wonder if he got canned and now has it out for Babolat. I play with an APDGT+ strung with full poly at 60 lbs. I play my best with this stick and it does not hurt my arm at all.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The original aeropro, which is the one Nadal plays with, is less stiff than subsequent versions and it was slightly better built than the Storms although it had the usual squeaky butt cap caused by too thin and weak staples.

Really, guys, cheap staples?
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
Pure Storms are better, IMO. I liked playing with them more than the APD or PD, even though I actually use the HEAD clone (MG Extreme MP, because it actually has some feel).

If I had to play with a babolat, it'd be the Pure storm or Aerostorm. probably the former.
 

DANMAN

Professional
I'd find a new stringer because yours is delusional.

I'll go ahead and elaborate...any stringer who would make such a comment either has zero perspective, innate bias, or just likes to hear himself talk and/or argue.

Babolat rackets are used by the masses (Pure and Aeropro drives) typically strung too tight with a poly string and the number of people who get on this message board reporting arm problems are very likely out of proportion to the population who actually has arm problems secondary to a Babolat racket. People have perpetuated the myth that Babolat rackets are automatic arm killers. I know people from 12-80 playing with pure drives with ZERO issues. We have had people on here say Babolats cause arm problems, yet they have never hit with one. Let it go! A prestige can cause arm problems just as easily as a Babolat if you have poor technique. I'd rather swing an 11 ounce racket around improperly than a 12.2 ounce racket. I'd venture to say your risk of injury is lower. If people really think that 1 ounce in weight makes a big difference in whether or not you will get tennis elbow, I'll go ahead and say probably not. If you hit a one handed backhand, are out of shape, and make contact behind the ideal point, thereby adding stress to the common extensor tendon origin at the lateral epicondyle, you are probably going to get tennis elbow with any racket out there.

If you use a racket with a stiffness of 70+ with tight poly strings, you are probably more likely to experience discomfort (wrist, elbow, shoulder) than using a prince o3 tour with an RA of 52 with natural gut at 44 pounds, but you may also be less likely to injure your rotator cuff muscles muscling a heavier racket trying to hit a 120 mph serve (which odds are almost no one on this forum can hit). Life and injury are all about trade offs, and I can assure you playing with a light stiff Babolat has pluses and minuses in the health department as well as in the tennis performance department.

I think tight poly strings are more dangerous than a stiff frame. Pure Drives are pretty comfortable with a synthetic gut...which 95+% of rec players should be using. The problem lies in people wanting to use what the pros use. I've seen plenty of people with problems trying to muscle around a k six one 90 with added lead as 3.5 players.

Let's also admit that many people don't want to use a pure drive because of their popularity...saying they cause arm problems is a more noble excuse in some people's eyes for staying away.

I'm not as strong as Nadal (in a tennis sense of muscular), but I have never had any problems with a Babolat frame and I've tried many. To say they aren't good rackets is asinine. To say they have to be played at 44lbs is even stupider.

I will now step off my soap box.
 
I'll go ahead and elaborate...any stringer who would make such a comment either has zero perspective, innate bias, or just likes to hear himself talk and/or argue.

Babolat rackets are used by the masses (Pure and Aeropro drives) typically strung too tight with a poly string and the number of people who get on this message board reporting arm problems are very likely out of proportion to the population who actually has arm problems secondary to a Babolat racket. People have perpetuated the myth that Babolat rackets are automatic arm killers. I know people from 12-80 playing with pure drives with ZERO issues. We have had people on here say Babolats cause arm problems, yet they have never hit with one. Let it go! A prestige can cause arm problems just as easily as a Babolat if you have poor technique. I'd rather swing an 11 ounce racket around improperly than a 12.2 ounce racket. I'd venture to say your risk of injury is lower. If people really think that 1 ounce in weight makes a big difference in whether or not you will get tennis elbow, I'll go ahead and say probably not. If you hit a one handed backhand, are out of shape, and make contact behind the ideal point, thereby adding stress to the common extensor tendon origin at the lateral epicondyle, you are probably going to get tennis elbow with any racket out there.

If you use a racket with a stiffness of 70+ with tight poly strings, you are probably more likely to experience discomfort (wrist, elbow, shoulder) than using a prince o3 tour with an RA of 52 with natural gut at 44 pounds, but you may also be less likely to injure your rotator cuff muscles muscling a heavier racket trying to hit a 120 mph serve (which odds are almost no one on this forum can hit). Life and injury are all about trade offs, and I can assure you playing with a light stiff Babolat has pluses and minuses in the health department as well as in the tennis performance department.

I think tight poly strings are more dangerous than a stiff frame. Pure Drives are pretty comfortable with a synthetic gut...which 95+% of rec players should be using. The problem lies in people wanting to use what the pros use. I've seen plenty of people with problems trying to muscle around a k six one 90 with added lead as 3.5 players.

Let's also admit that many people don't want to use a pure drive because of their popularity...saying they cause arm problems is a more noble excuse in some people's eyes for staying away.

I'm not as strong as Nadal (in a tennis sense of muscular), but I have never had any problems with a Babolat frame and I've tried many. To say they aren't good rackets is asinine. To say they have to be played at 44lbs is even stupider.

I will now step off my soap box.

this is great !
 

TennisCJC

Legend
I demo-ed AeroPro and it was not my cup of tea. I don't think it is a horrible racket but I didn't like it. As pointed out above there are several pros other than Rafa that use it. For me, it is too stiff and hard to control. Also, it seems best suited to topspin baseline bashing and not well suited for all court tennis. If you are building a game where you want to bash groundstrokes and only go to net to finish off sitters; it may be a good choice. I don't think it is the best choice for volleys, S&V or doubles where touch and volleys are at a premium. Granted, Nadal hits the occasional good volley with it but his game is basically bash it with topspin until I get a soft floater to volley. He doesn't depend on picking up low volleys or half volleys to make a living.

I also don't think it is the most arm friendly option out there. Granted, some players with good fitness, form and string setup can use it without any arm issues, but it is stiff and has a fair amount of shock on off center hits. I have mostly used thin beamed rackets with a flex rating under 65 and the AeroPro did feel hard on the arm/wrist during my demo.

I think last year's Wilson Pro Open is a better tweener thick beam option than the aeropro as it has a flexy feel.

Rackets are subjective and you should pick a racket that suits your physical fitness level, skill level, and style. If you are looking for a I want to bash groundstrokes type of frame, the AeroPro is worth a demo. Also, you might try the Wilson Pro Open, Volkl X8, Volkl X8 315, Prince Black, or similar thick beam relatively light rackets with balance under 8 HL.
 
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Lambo

Banned
well I think Babalots generally suck. Or it is just that I do not have the control to play with that racq. I hit hard and prefer 93 or 94 inch head sizes rather than a stick in which I never feel comfortable with.
 

NRod2

Rookie
I just switched to an APD. Worth every penny.

My stringer is a guy from Portugal, and he has a silky smooth accent. So it was like Inigo Montoya telling me "De Aero Pro is de beeeest. Joo know joo vanna do eet! BUY EET!"
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
Let's also admit that many people don't want to use a pure drive because of their popularity...saying they cause arm problems is a more noble excuse in some people's eyes for staying away.

You wrote a great post except for this part. The PD, APD, PD Lite, APD Lite, PD Roddick are among the top 5 selling frames in the world. So, I sincerely doubt people are actually thinking that.
 
If I sold 100,000 racquets and have 1000 complaints, that'd be 1%. If I sold 10,000 racquets and have 100 complaints, that's also 1%. So is it fair to say the first racquet is inferior because it has 10x the number of complaints? A better statistic would be % complaints.

As drakulie said, Babolats are the top 5 selling frames in the world, so you're bound to hear more complaints statistically.
 
You wrote a great post except for this part. The PD, APD, PD Lite, APD Lite, PD Roddick are among the top 5 selling frames in the world. So, I sincerely doubt people are actually thinking that.

The top top selling hamburgers in the world are from McDonalds, the must be good!!!
 

goober

Legend
he said, he'd worked for babolat for 15 years, and told that aeropro is so stiff that its horrible racket and i would not get any feel with it what so ever. He also said i must have around 44lbs to even play with it.

he said, if you dont have rafas muscles, you will hurt yourself...

he continued, noone plays with it on tour (ecept rafa) because its not good racket.

he recommended Dunlop Biomimetic 400...

what do you think of his statements? should i return my aeropro for maybe puredrive?

Sounds like your stringer has an agenda. He is pushing Dunlop and driving you away from Babolat. Hmm wonder why? Financial or maybe a grudge his former employer...? He stated a lot of factually incorrect things so basically I wouldn't trust him.
 

DANMAN

Professional
You wrote a great post except for this part. The PD, APD, PD Lite, APD Lite, PD Roddick are among the top 5 selling frames in the world. So, I sincerely doubt people are actually thinking that.

My point is that some people don't want to use a pure drive because so many people do use it. I know it's a valid statement because friends have told me that. You're killing me haha. I want the rest of my post heard...not my factually irrelevant part.

Some on this forum have been caught talking about babolats giving them arm problems in one thread and then admitting in another they'd never hit with one in another. That's the point I was trying to make.
 
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6-2/6-4/6-0

Semi-Pro
Hit with Babolat rackets but have never had arm problems from one. Personally I don't like them at all. Probably haven't spent enough time playing with them to get arm problems, so who knows if I would or not.

Hit with Dunlop rackets, never had arm trouble from it, really like the ones I've played with.

Your stringer may be a bit 'off' about his reasoning and the absolute nature of his argument, but I do agree that the Bio400 (or Bio500 if you want a little more power) is a better hit than the APD or the APS. That's 1 opinion though, and to an engineer a sample size of one is, essentially, worthless - so take that for what you will...

Ultimately Babolat sells a lot more rackets than Dunlop, so their market is a lot better if nothing else. Does that matter to you?
 

DANMAN

Professional
You wrote a great post except for this part. The PD, APD, PD Lite, APD Lite, PD Roddick are among the top 5 selling frames in the world. So, I sincerely doubt people are actually thinking that.

My point is that some people don't want to use a pure drive because so many people do use it. I know it's a valid statement because friends have told me that. You're killing me haha. I want the rest of my post heard...not my factually irrelevant part.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
My point is that some people don't want to use a pure drive because so many people do use it. I know it's a valid statement because friends have told me that. You're killing me haha. I want the rest of my post heard...not my factually irrelevant part.

I understand. A lot of people, for example, also don't want to use the PS 90 because they don't want to be labeled *******s.

Anyway, as I said, I agree with your post.
 

Hankenstein

Hall of Fame
The Aeropro Drive GT in original is not that good IMO. I have filled the handle with about 20 grams of silicon and 5 grams of leadweights, and then about total 7 grams of lead at 3 and 9.

Strung with MSV Focus Hex 1,27 mm and a Tourna Grip XXL, my 5 raquets weights 345,7 gram and have a balance of 31,9 cm. When strung, i prefer a DT around 30 on clay and around 33 indoors.

With this setup, the APDGT plays like a raw sports-car with extreme speed potential but still has enough feel
 
Just because a racquet is hyper-popular does not mean it is the greatest quality nor worst quality for that matter. Many will argue that Budweiser is not a well crafted complex beer of any real quality, but it is the most popular beer in the world. The reason both of these items are so exceptionally popular is based on one thing.... Fantastic Marketing!
 
Agree with the marketing aspect. When my kid was deciding on a racquet, we were so confused with the vast selection out there. The coach gave him two racquets to try: aeropro drive and pure drive. He liked the aeropro and so we went with it. Coach is sponsored by Babolat and got him a great price. We didn't even try head, wilson, dunlop or any other brands.

I'm willing to bet a lot of juniors start off buying whatever the coach recommends. At tournaments, I see plenty of Babolats. They have great marketing and has cornered the developing players.
 

Xonemains

Semi-Pro
whats the % of people using the APDGT really knows how to use that racquet?

wouldnt 85% of these people just want to look and be like RAFA and buy from a supermarket store?

btw, i nearly bought the 2011 french open frame, it look so cool.
(then i would be included in that 85% of people) lucky my brains were working that day.
 

2Hare

Semi-Pro
Just because a racquet is hyper-popular does not mean it is the greatest quality nor worst quality for that matter. Many will argue that Budweiser is not a well crafted complex beer of any real quality, but it is the most popular beer in the world. The reason both of these items are so exceptionally popular is based on one thing.... Fantastic Marketing!

The opposite is equally true. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's not the best. But it does suck to know that you might be recognized as a Nadal fanboy when you are wielding a Aeropro when you simply bought the racket for it's performance. I have yet found a racket that has as much spin potential as AeroPro though.
 
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