And MLK is on tape screwing women who were not this wife in numerous hotel rooms. Does that reveal who he truely was?
Aad Serena has never blown up on a court like this. So how is this here true self?
random thoughts on "The Serena Incident"...
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And MLK is on tape screwing women who were not this wife in numerous hotel rooms. Does that reveal who he truely was?
Aad Serena has never blown up on a court like this. So how is this here true self?
Edberg foot faulted all the time. They would call it in the first set etc. When it mattered he magically learned to never footfault.
obsessedtennisfandisorder
Professional
TTW needs to settle with the williams hate.
I remember watching a tennis clip of connors playing on clay.
he hit a ball that was debatable whether in or out. his opponent was
going to call down the umpire to check the mark.
get this: connors ran across to the other side of the court and rubbed out
any evidence as the umpire was coming.
In my opinion the guy should have been disqualified on the spot for that
behaviour...yet connors doesn't get anywhere near the hate SW gets.
In 1987 Mac went balistic at a line judge at the US open and nothing happened...should have been disquailified on the spot for that too.
If you don't like serena..fine...what happened tonight still won't stop
the fact she is a ten-slam winner and potential GOAT female tennis
player nowhere near as bad ebhaviour as aforementioned guys who get alotta love around here.
Henin's behaviour at the final of AO Final 2006 was roughly 100 times worse IMHO....
People pay good money to watch and henin behaves like that....at least
serena realised she lost the match...and didn't just quit because she was losing.
I remember watching a tennis clip of connors playing on clay.
he hit a ball that was debatable whether in or out. his opponent was
going to call down the umpire to check the mark.
get this: connors ran across to the other side of the court and rubbed out
any evidence as the umpire was coming.
In my opinion the guy should have been disqualified on the spot for that
behaviour...yet connors doesn't get anywhere near the hate SW gets.
In 1987 Mac went balistic at a line judge at the US open and nothing happened...should have been disquailified on the spot for that too.
If you don't like serena..fine...what happened tonight still won't stop
the fact she is a ten-slam winner and potential GOAT female tennis
player nowhere near as bad ebhaviour as aforementioned guys who get alotta love around here.
Henin's behaviour at the final of AO Final 2006 was roughly 100 times worse IMHO....
People pay good money to watch and henin behaves like that....at least
serena realised she lost the match...and didn't just quit because she was losing.
Deuce
Banned
^ If that's true, I suppose it does reveal who he truly was.
^ When you grow up and take your blinders off, and gain a degree of objectivity, only then will intelligent people engage you in detail.
Deuce
Banned
If what you are suggesting is true - and there is obviously no way to prove it one way or another - but assuming it is true that linespeople would not call foot faults on Edberg when he was foot faulting late in a match, then I seriously must question your 'logic' here.
You're saying that they screwed up with Edberg, so they should be screwing up with Serena, too - and if they don't screw up with Serena, it is somehow 'not fair'.
Exactly how many wrongs make a right in your little world?
If that's true? the FBI would play the tapes to Coretta King - you know his wife. The lady he WASN'T having sex with in the hotel rooms
No need to get personal, It;s never been called period in a case like Serenas. You seem to think it's because no one has ever foot faulted before in a case like Serena's. I;m saying of course players have they were never called because of the occasion.
You seem so offended that this could happen
Deuce
Banned
I'm not "offended" by anything here.
I'm saying that your clear and heavy bias in favour of Serena is preventing you from seeing - and thinking - rationally.
Bilbo
Semi-Pro
show me the tapes now please... or at least give me proof that they exist :-l
It doesn't matter if she actually foot faulted!
Is this so hard to understand? What she did in response shows what kind of person she is. She saw a small weak Asian lady and acted like the pathetic bully she is. Does anyone think if that had been a 250lb man Serena would have reacted the same way? She is trash.
Is this so hard to understand? What she did in response shows what kind of person she is. She saw a small weak Asian lady and acted like the pathetic bully she is. Does anyone think if that had been a 250lb man Serena would have reacted the same way? She is trash.
Wrong again. If it happened to Clijster or some random player against Serena in the same spot I would be all over this.
If foot faults in the last 40 years were ever called in moments such has these I wouldn't have a problem with it.
No one can recall anything like this ever happening in an event such as this. Everyone was shocked.
Most people in tennis are going to agree with McEnroe, You don't make foot fault calls to decide matches, Much like you wouldn't assess point penalties for excessive time between points in a huge spot in a match like this.
Common sense has prevailed for 40 year and did not tonight
It's common knowledge and in any history book or biography. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Polaris
Hall of Fame
If the rules had allowed Hawkeye to be used for challenging footfault rulings, do you folks thing that some of this ugliness could have been prevented ?
I don't like Hawkeye in general, but in this case, it seems like it would have calmed things down a little. If it was not a footfault, they would just replay that second serve. If it was, then Serena would have had to swallow the bitter pill.
I don't like Hawkeye in general, but in this case, it seems like it would have calmed things down a little. If it was not a footfault, they would just replay that second serve. If it was, then Serena would have had to swallow the bitter pill.
Bilbo
Semi-Pro
if it's so common, then you should give me an internet link at AT LEAST... then i may be slightly more inclined to believe...
sorry bruh, it's just when people make outlandish random statements like MLK cheated on his wife all the time, or, Richard williams smokes crack, i tend to need proof to confirm such things... but, ya know, that's probably just me...
Deuce
Banned
^ I wasn't shocked at all.
Again, I ask you: Exactly how many wrongs make a right in your little world?
^ Are you joking?
McEnroe loved to bully umpires and linespeople and treat them like garbage. It was and remains clear that he has no respect for them.
Additionally, McEnroe was always a spoiled brat with a huge ego matched only by his equally huge arrogance and sense of entitlement.
It is therefore not at all a surprise that he is on Serena's side in this, and against the lineswoman.
Dude, if you see John McEnroe as an objective observer, you're even more delusional than you previously appeared.
^ Again - how many wrongs make a right in your little world?
I didn't think the statement was that outlandish. It;s been known for years.
As far a Richard Williams and crack I have no idea.
They weren't wrong. What happaned tonight was wrong.
Steady Eddy
Legend
Storm is right, foot faults have different treatment, common sense plays a role. First, I can recall a University of Minnesota player winning his match in the NCAA tournament when his opponents was called for a footfault on his second serve on match point. The player said that the woman who made the call wasn't a relative of his and he didn't know why she made such a call. He did NOT say something like, "Oh, well maybe he DID footfault." Players know that you don't call a footfault on match point, (maybe an outrageous one). But allow the point to get played.
To my surprise I learned that baseball umpires do not call a fielder on not having his foot on 2nd base during a double play. It's ok for him to straddle the bag. They feel it's better for the game to be played. I suppose this is analagous to teaching a child about lying. Simple people feel that lying is never right. Adults know that there are exceptions. The same with rules on footfaulting, and really, all rules. Yeah, rules are rules, but rules are made to be broken. The article I read says that replays reveal that there was no footfault. This means that there certainly was no obvious footfault, and that it didn't make any significant difference in the quality of the serve. You'd call a footfault in that situation because you think there might be a footfault? Very poor judgement. How did such a person ever get allowed to officiate such an important match? Tennis needs to have officials with some training and knowledge.
To my surprise I learned that baseball umpires do not call a fielder on not having his foot on 2nd base during a double play. It's ok for him to straddle the bag. They feel it's better for the game to be played. I suppose this is analagous to teaching a child about lying. Simple people feel that lying is never right. Adults know that there are exceptions. The same with rules on footfaulting, and really, all rules. Yeah, rules are rules, but rules are made to be broken. The article I read says that replays reveal that there was no footfault. This means that there certainly was no obvious footfault, and that it didn't make any significant difference in the quality of the serve. You'd call a footfault in that situation because you think there might be a footfault? Very poor judgement. How did such a person ever get allowed to officiate such an important match? Tennis needs to have officials with some training and knowledge.
dwhiteside
Semi-Pro
Serena didn't lose the match because she foot faulted. She lost it because she went on a tirade and insulted the linesperson. You can debate all you want about whether or not the linesperson should have made the call or whether she should have let slip a technicality because it was such an integral situation in the match. But that's another issue. Many players in the same situation would have been upset with the footfault but they would not have suggested they would shove the ball down the throat of the lines person and aggressively and threateningly insulted them. If Serena could have just accepted what she couldn't change and played on, or even if she expressed her anger in a way that wasn't threatening and a code violation, she still could have won the match.
Hypothetically, say it was a bad call and it wasn't a foot fault at all. Bad calls happen, true. It was on match point and that makes it even worse. Does that make it right for Serena to do what she did? Total BS call! Outrageous call! Unbelievable call! Ban the linesperson FOREVER FROM TENNIS! Should it still not have been a code violation?
Because past events like this have happened in tennis history where the people weren't punished, does it then logically follow she shouldn't be punished too, because "it's only fair - they weren't blamed so why should she be"? Sadly, many would seem to think this. Times have changed. Tennis has changed. This is not 1982 or 1991 anymore.
Hypothetically, say it was a bad call and it wasn't a foot fault at all. Bad calls happen, true. It was on match point and that makes it even worse. Does that make it right for Serena to do what she did? Total BS call! Outrageous call! Unbelievable call! Ban the linesperson FOREVER FROM TENNIS! Should it still not have been a code violation?
Because past events like this have happened in tennis history where the people weren't punished, does it then logically follow she shouldn't be punished too, because "it's only fair - they weren't blamed so why should she be"? Sadly, many would seem to think this. Times have changed. Tennis has changed. This is not 1982 or 1991 anymore.
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Ultra2HolyGrail
Hall of Fame
Bad call for that line judge at that stage in the match. Any real player knows at that stage you just let them play it out. Even if serena did footfault, it was only milimeters. Gotta let them play it out at that stage. I thought clisters was gonna win all along though. That call doesen't taint it for me, but if i was clisters i would be upset.
stormholloway
Legend
But we are debating about the footfault call. It's integral to Serena's tirade. Should Serena have exploded the way she did? Obviously not. It cost her the match. Did she have some reason to do what she did? Obviously yes. It's not like she did it out of nowhere, for no reason.
People who say "a rule's a rule": what if it had been a time violation? What that have been alright? What about on match point, someone loses a match on a time violation? A rule's a rule right?
No. A rule isn't a rule. Some rules are different from each other. Where the ball lands is very important. That's an important call. Where the tip of the shoe may or may not be when someone strikes their serve is less important, and unless it's very clear, shouldn't be called in that situation.
Common sense tells us this. Sometimes reason is more important than following the rules so strictly. It doesn't mean the rules will just be flagrantly ignored.
Serena has had seriously bad luck at the US Open. I watched that Capriati QF recently and it was just outrageous. It was almost comical.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
I am sorry but in tennis no one rule is more important than another rule they are of equel importance and are inforced as such. By doing it so it gives fairness to both players.
18. FOOT FAULT
During the service motion, the server shall not:
a. Change position by walking or running, although slight movements of the feet are permitted; or
b. Touch the baseline or the court with either foot; or
c. Touch the area outside the imaginary extension of the sideline with either
foot; or
d. Touch the imaginary extension of the centre mark with either foot.
If the server breaks this rule it is a “Foot Fault”.
Case 1: In a singles match, is the server allowed to serve standing behind the part of the baseline between the singles sideline and the doubles sideline?
Decision: No.
Case 2: Is the server allowed to have one or both feet off the ground?
Decision: Yes.
Here are the ITF Rules of Tennis. Have a read.
http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_39173_original.PDF
Here is Safin's anger at being called for a foot fault at a crucial time in the match. It happens. Serena had been called for foot faults throughout the tournament. It is her own fault for being called on a foot fault. Only she controls where she stands as she serves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKagveO0Jf8
18. FOOT FAULT
During the service motion, the server shall not:
a. Change position by walking or running, although slight movements of the feet are permitted; or
b. Touch the baseline or the court with either foot; or
c. Touch the area outside the imaginary extension of the sideline with either
foot; or
d. Touch the imaginary extension of the centre mark with either foot.
If the server breaks this rule it is a “Foot Fault”.
Case 1: In a singles match, is the server allowed to serve standing behind the part of the baseline between the singles sideline and the doubles sideline?
Decision: No.
Case 2: Is the server allowed to have one or both feet off the ground?
Decision: Yes.
Here are the ITF Rules of Tennis. Have a read.
http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_39173_original.PDF
Here is Safin's anger at being called for a foot fault at a crucial time in the match. It happens. Serena had been called for foot faults throughout the tournament. It is her own fault for being called on a foot fault. Only she controls where she stands as she serves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKagveO0Jf8
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This post is spot on. These people are bizarre. It's called letter of the law with many of these rules.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Serena's never been imprisoned for sexual assault or any other crimes. Comparing her to Mike Tyson, a convicted felon, is ludicrous.
Claudius
Professional
Where in the rule book does it say that?
Lionheart392
Professional
The stormholloway rule book, which has yet to be published.
I was waiting for the inveitable surge by the greatest player of all time, and the usual choke by Kim. I love Kim. Her game, her running and her personality. And I love Serena.
I personally think if Serena were a big buxom blonde American, she would have been bigger than Evert.
And Evert was according to male friends of mine, a real player and curser. NOT a nice person at all. By all their opinions.
I personally think if Serena were a big buxom blonde American, she would have been bigger than Evert.
And Evert was according to male friends of mine, a real player and curser. NOT a nice person at all. By all their opinions.
I am a baseball umpire - that is not true. I always look to see that the second baseman or shortstop clearly touches the bag prior to the realy throw. Every umpire I know does too.
I am also a tennis umpire, and I have to admit that early in my career, I called a slight foot fault on a match point (first serve) during an Iowa/Illinois NCAA match. I regretted doing it, and have not done it again, and will not unless it is blatant...
davethedope
New User
Everyone's talking about Serena. What about Clijsters? She didn't want a win a crucial point on a foot fault or the match on the resulting controversy. She was going to win and you could tell she really wanted to finish Serena off just for herself.
The lines woman should have kept quiet. I think it was common knowledge after that staring contest a few rounds earlier a foot fault called on her was going to set her off- especially when she's about to get booted out of the tournament.
I'm just saying the call was unfair to Clijsters and her fans as it was Serena.
The lines woman should have kept quiet. I think it was common knowledge after that staring contest a few rounds earlier a foot fault called on her was going to set her off- especially when she's about to get booted out of the tournament.
I'm just saying the call was unfair to Clijsters and her fans as it was Serena.
