Roddick is good on clay

[sureshs]

Anyone catch the Nadal-Roddick Davis Cup rubber yesterday?

Roddick was playing quite well and even winning some of the baseline rallies. Nadal was just a little better at everything. In fact, as the commentators pointed out, Roddick was served a bagel just like Federer was at RG, but Roddick won more games than Federer.

I am not sure whether this means Roddick is better than Federer on clay, or can just handle Nadal better (because of his 2 handed backhand and larger racquet???). But it does show that there is something seriously wrong with Federer or his racquet when he plays Nadal on clay.

 

[crazylevity]

Roddick won more games than Federer simply because it's the tail end of the season, and Nadal isn't at his best physical condition. Also, he's not on a roll and on fire like he was at RG. There's also the altitude, which probably enabled Roddick to win more games on his serve.

If and when Nadal and Roddick play at Roland Garros, bring this thread up again and we'll see.

 

[ninman]

This sums your thread up nicely.

 

[Cyan]

Andy is underrated on clay. He has won titles on clay.

 

[sureshs]

Say what you will, but Roddick did not appear clueless and lost when a Nadal ball showed up on his backhand side. I think a 1-handed backhand player can never defeat Nadal. Only a two hander like Murray or Roddick can.

 

[Ben10is]

Hard Clay vs Soft Clay

The commentators mentioned that this clay was hard compared to RG, though rain on Sunday morning had slowed it down somewhat. Also, the balls fly further and the effect of topspin is less at 2100 ft than near sea level.

Both of those factors would help Roddick & Querrey, esp with flat/slice serves hit down into the court. That said, Roddick's match against Ferrer could have gone either way.

However, I don't think anyone had a chance to beat Nadal on clay in front of a large home crowd.

 

[Rhino]

Andy is underrated on clay. He has won titles on clay.

Har-Tru "American" clay courts - the green stuff - also known as "rubico", are often called "clay," but are not made of the same clay used in most European and South American countries.
Red clay - the slow stuff - is where Roddick has problems.

 

[veritech]

Anyone catch the Nadal-Roddick Davis Cup rubber yesterday?

Roddick was playing quite well and even winning some of the baseline rallies. Nadal was just a little better at everything. In fact, as the commentators pointed out, Roddick was served a bagel just like Federer was at RG, but Roddick won more games than Federer.

I am not sure whether this means Roddick is better than Federer on clay, or can just handle Nadal better (because of his 2 handed backhand and larger racquet???). But it does show that there is something seriously wrong with Federer or his racquet when he plays Nadal on clay.

the fact that roddick won more games than federer vs nadal on clay doesn't prove anything. you have to be delusional to concede that roddick is better than federer on clay, or on any surface, in general.

 

[GeoffB]

Har-Tru "American" clay courts - the green stuff - also known as "rubico", are often called "clay," but are not made of the same clay used in most European and South American countries.
Red clay - the slow stuff - is where Roddick has problems.

Yeah, it's an important distinction. But green clay is similar to red clay, just in a less pronounced way. You still have a slower court with higher bounces, and sliding is a helpful skill, just not *as* slow and high bouncing as red, so it's more a question of degree than absolute. So I'd count the victories on rubico as relevant in determining clay court talent, just not as much as the red clay.

 

[MajinX]

roddick does not suck on clay.. he just isnt as good on it as his other services, and he just happens to lose at RG early, nadal before this year always lost at the USO early, does he suck on hard?? no he just isnt as good on it.

 

[Cenc]

not good, he is amazing
possibly the best claycourter of all times

 

[sureshs]

the fact that roddick won more games than federer vs nadal on clay doesn't prove anything. you have to be delusional to concede that roddick is better than federer on clay, or on any surface, in general.

It is not just how many games he won, but how many rallies he could sustain. Roddick played well, actually. Something that Federer did not do against Nadal in RG. Those are the facts as I saw them. Federer could defeat Roddick on clay, but Roddick sure looked much more consistent on clay than Federer did (against Nadal). His BH did not collapse, allowing an attack to his forehand while out of position, if not an outright point - as the simple strategy adopted by Nadal against Federer.

 

[iamke55]

I didn't see the match, but I read somewhere it was 33 non-service winners for Nadal and 2 for Roddick.

 

[norbac]

Roddick GOAT on clay FTW.

 

[Serpententacle]

I am not sure whether this means Roddick is better than Federer on clay, or can just handle Nadal better (because of his 2 handed backhand and larger racquet???). But it does show that there is something seriously wrong with Federer or his racquet when he plays Nadal on clay.

Man this thread is bona fide trash. There's no argument Nadal is great on clay, but if you're honest, you would know that Federer is pretty good on clay, too. Just b/c Federer coming off an major illness was a little lackluster at 2008 RG final doesn't mean that he's not as good a Roddick. It has been proven over and over again, manyfold that Federer is superior to Roddick in every which way.

To put mono in perspective, years ago, an acquaintance of mine died from mono (ruptured spleen). One with mono shouldn't do anything vigorous lest one's spleen rupture. Federer is lucky to be alive playing at all while belabored with mono.

I hope you get mono and find out what it feels like... and if you've already had mono, then you would have no business dolling out these stupid threads.

If this thread was in jest, then disregard my harangue.

 

[sureshs]

Man this thread is bona fide trash. There's no argument Nadal is great on clay, but if you're honest, you would know that Federer is pretty good on clay, too. Just b/c Federer coming off an major illness was a little lackluster at 2008 RG final doesn't mean that he's not as good a Roddick. It has been proven over and over again, manyfold that Federer is superior to Roddick in every which way.

To put mono in perspective, years ago, an acquaintance of mine died from mono (ruptured spleen). One with mono shouldn't do anything vigorous lest one's spleen rupture. Federer is lucky to be alive playing at all while belabored with mono.

I hope you get mono and find out what it feels like... and if you've already had mono, then you would have no business dolling out these stupid threads.

If this thread was in jest, then disregard my harangue.

Federer is good on clay, but not against Nadal.

Thanks for your desire for me to get mono. Let me just say that we have absolutely no proof that he ever had mono. Only thing we know is that he said he was told he had mono and was almost through with it by the time he found out. His five-setter in Wimbledon and his USO win don't seem to indicate that he is going to die anytime soon with a ruptured spleen. So though it may be emotionally satisfying to list all the people who died of mono, it is far from clear that he had it at all, and did not just invent it as an excuse to bolster his formidable ego. We also have never heard from Mirka or anyone else who knows him that they knew he was sick. No independent confirmation at all.

 

[akv89]

Let me just say that we have absolutely no proof that he ever had mono. Only thing we know is that he said he was told he had mono and was almost through with it by the time he found out. His five-setter in Wimbledon and his USO win don't seem to indicate that he is going to die anytime soon with a ruptured spleen. So though it may be emotionally satisfying to list all the people who died of mono, it is far from clear that he had it at all, and did not just invent it as an excuse to bolster his formidable ego. We also have never heard from Mirka or anyone else who knows him that they knew he was sick. No independent confirmation at all.

He wasn't claiming anything out of thin air. He was diagnosed with mononucleosis. What more do you want?

 

[Nadal_Freak]

These courts are way faster than RG. Roddick would not do this well at RG.

 

[sureshs]

He was diagnosed with mononucleosis.

No he wasn't. He was told he probably had mono end of 07 and it was all gone by the time he saw the doctor. And that is what he said about what the doctor said. We all know how easy it is for the pros to find a doctor who will come up with an injury report. Specially one like Federer with unlimited money to spend on "tests."

 

[Otherside]

Roddick played great and fought really hard, hes still not good on clay though. I think its quite clear when watching roddick on clay that he lacks real feel for the ball. I saw him several times chasing balls far out in the corners and getting there with plenty of time and still hit a forehand slice that bounced before it hit the net.
The problem he has is when tryin to be aggressive he comes in on the wrong shots and he is not good enough at the net to come in on bad approaches, he's barely good enough at the net to come in on great approaches. Cred to NAdal, some insane passing shots that made Andy even more insecure.

 

[Deleted member 25923]

Do you not realize that Fed just played poorly against Nadal at RG this year? Fed has played better against Nadal.

 

[sureshs]

Do you not realize that Fed just played poorly against Nadal at RG this year? Fed has played better against Nadal.

Actually Nadal had improved, specially on his serve and deep balls. He no longer leaves short balls which can be killed, and his serve has gotten faster with better placement.

 

[Zaragoza]

roddick does not suck on clay.. he just isnt as good on it as his other services, and he just happens to lose at RG early, nadal before this year always lost at the USO early, does he suck on hard?? no he just isnt as good on it.

Nadal in the last 3 years at the USO has reached the SF, QF and 4th round.
So I don´t think the Roddick at RG-Nadal at the USO or Roddick on clay-Nadal on hardcourts comparisons make sense. Nadal is actually a better hardcourt player than Roddick right now.

 

[BGB.CA]

Har-Tru "American" clay courts - the green stuff - also known as "rubico", are often called "clay," but are not made of the same clay used in most European and South American countries.
Red clay - the slow stuff - is where Roddick has problems.

Roddick has won the Houston tournament which is played on Red Clay...at least now it is, although I don't know if they have changed the surface in recent years. Granted its not against the strongest field as most of the specialists stay in europe, but its still proves he's not useless on the stuff.

 

[PROTENNIS63]

Anyone catch the Nadal-Roddick Davis Cup rubber yesterday?

Roddick was playing quite well and even winning some of the baseline rallies. Nadal was just a little better at everything. In fact, as the commentators pointed out, Roddick was served a bagel just like Federer was at RG, but Roddick won more games than Federer.

I am not sure whether this means Roddick is better than Federer on clay, or can just handle Nadal better (because of his 2 handed backhand and larger racquet???). But it does show that there is something seriously wrong with Federer or his racquet when he plays Nadal on clay.

you have to be banned because you don't know what in the world is going on. Federer beat Nadal last year on clay which he got like 14 games. But yet for some reason, you feel the need to compare Fed's worst clay match (FO 2008) to this match against Roddick. Grow up... are you even 10 years old?

 

[Deleted member 25923]

Actually Nadal had improved, specially on his serve and deep balls. He no longer leaves short balls which can be killed, and his serve has gotten faster with better placement.

Okay, granted that Nadal has gotten better, but it doesn't make sense that Nadal improved 1000 times in 1 month's time.

Fed played worse at RG 2008 than Monte carlo and hamburg 2008. That's a fact.

 

[sureshs]

you have to be banned because you don't know what in the world is going on. Federer beat Nadal last year on clay which he got like 14 games. But yet for some reason, you feel the need to compare Fed's worst clay match (FO 2008) to this match against Roddick. Grow up... are you even 10 years old?

Oh the Hamburg thing? Nadal wasn't even taking it seriously. Like the match he lost to Djokovic this year before heading out for the Olympics

 

[akv89]

No he wasn't. He was told he probably had mono end of 07 and it was all gone by the time he saw the doctor. And that is what he said about what the doctor said. We all know how easy it is for the pros to find a doctor who will come up with an injury report. Specially one like Federer with unlimited money to spend on "tests."

When he met with his doctors, his body was found to be making antibodies for the Epstein-Barr virus. Are you suggesting that Federer was injecting antibodies into his bloodstream to fake a disease or that his group of doctors collectively rejected their oaths and lied about the condition?

 

[sureshs]

When he met with his doctors, his body was found to be making antibodies for the Epstein-Barr virus. Are you suggesting that Federer was injecting antibodies into his bloodstream to fake a disease or that his group of doctors collectively rejected their oaths and lied about the condition?

That is not correct. Go over the news reports. Federer said his doctors said his body was making antibodies. That is all. It was never said that the antibodies were for a particular virus. Antibodies can be made in many circumstances, including just a common cold.

 

[akv89]

That is not correct. Go over the news reports. Federer said his doctors said his body was making antibodies. That is all. It was never said that the antibodies were for a particular virus. Antibodies can be made in many circumstances, including just a common cold.

If they came to the conclusion that he had mono based on the antibodies his body was creating, I wonder what antibodies they were. Regardless of that, I can't help but feel as though you are looking at anything and everything to explain why Fed didn't have mono when the simplest explanation is that he actually did.

 

[Cup8489]

That is not correct. Go over the news reports. Federer said his doctors said his body was making antibodies. That is all. It was never said that the antibodies were for a particular virus. Antibodies can be made in many circumstances, including just a common cold.

well, likely, most doctors probably would figure there wouldnt be a specific need to release such detailed information, becasue when a player says he's recovering from mono, and the doctors say he is producing antibodies, that someone reading or hearing the information isnt some hate monger who likes to belittle the achievements of the player, and would actually listen to reason and common sense.

the reason roddick did so well (if you could call it that) is because the clay in madrid is quite a bit faster than at roland garros. nadal even said after his match with querrey that the speed of the court and the altitude were affecting him.

stop being such an ignorant troll. roddick's backhand is not as good as federers, and i think most people would probably agree. roddick's is meant as nothing more than a rally shot. he'd probably never hit it if he had a choice, whereas federer's CAN be very dangerous.

like it or not, federer with his 90 sq in racquet and 1hbh is better on clay than roddick with his 100 sq in racquet and 2hbh.

http://www.atptennis.com/3/en/players/headtohead/default.asp?playernum1=F324&playernum2=R485

it should be noted that roddick has apparently never advanced far enough in a european clay court tournament to even run into federer...as shown by the head-to-head matches.

you're basing your evidence on circumstantial settings, trying to compare two completely different matches. you're unscientific, and that's why everything you say should be disregarded by everyone else.

 

[sureshs]

^^^ Let me remind you that many commentators did not believe the story and were very diplomatic with their comments (including Mac). Also, the doctors said NOTHING - the only person we heard from was Federer. So stop saying that the doctors reported this or that.

 

[akv89]

^^^ Let me remind you that many commentators did not believe the story and were very diplomatic with their comments (including Mac). Also, the doctors said NOTHING - the only person we heard from was Federer. So stop saying that the doctors reported this or that.

Well many commentators, including Mac, also said that they did believe that Federer had mono. But of course, in that case they were being "diplomatic" right?
Could you give me a reason why you feel as though Federer made the whole thing up? He would be risking all the credibility that he has with the press and his fans if he did that considering the fact that it wouldn't be very hard to get a statement from his doctors that he didn't have mono (if he really didn't)

 

[Cup8489]

Well many commentators, including Mac, also said that they did believe that Federer had mono. But of course, in that case they were being "diplomatic" right?
Could you give me a reason why you feel as though Federer made the whole thing up? He would be risking all the credibility that he has with the press and his fans if he did that considering the fact that it wouldn't be very hard to get a statement from his doctors that he didn't have mono (if he really didn't)

sureshs is a troll. this is what makes his petty existence worthwile, making fed look bad.

of course, he doesnt realize he's only making himself look worse.

 

[sureshs]

Well many commentators, including Mac, also said that they did believe that Federer had mono. But of course, in that case they were being "diplomatic" right?
Could you give me a reason why you feel as though Federer made the whole thing up? He would be risking all the credibility that he has with the press and his fans if he did that considering the fact that it wouldn't be very hard to get a statement from his doctors that he didn't have mono (if he really didn't)

You are absolutely wrong. No doctor will give such a statement to the press. It is true that when politicians are hospitalized, the surgeon will talk to the press, but even then he will not indulge someone who wants him to speak against someone else.

And that is assuming you even know who his doctors are and they even let you talk to them. Ever heard of doctor-patient confidentiality? It sometimes takes a court order to get records, and that too may not succeed.

Sorry, your arguments don't hold up. All we have are Federer's claims which coincided with his defeats, and were then followed by an epic 5-setter final and a Slam win, something which totally contradicts the expected recovery time of 1 year and causing further complications, etc.

Edit: toss in the Olympics doubles gold too

 

[coloskier]

Oh well, next year Spain will have to play the USA in Davis Cup on very fast hard courts, if Spain makes it that far. Payback time.

 

[Zaragoza]

Oh well, next year Spain will have to play the USA in Davis Cup on very fast hard courts, if Spain makes it that far. Payback time.

Let´s see if the USA makes it that far

 

[Nadal_Freak]

Roddick has won the Houston tournament which is played on Red Clay...at least now it is, although I don't know if they have changed the surface in recent years. Granted its not against the strongest field as most of the specialists stay in europe, but its still proves he's not useless on the stuff.

The real clay courters played in Europe. They didn't come to Houston. Roddick won in a very weak field consisting most of Americans. Any field consisting of only Americans and the weakest Europeans Roddick should win.

 

[ThugNasty]

Anyone catch the Nadal-Roddick Davis Cup rubber yesterday?

Roddick was playing quite well and even winning some of the baseline rallies. Nadal was just a little better at everything. In fact, as the commentators pointed out, Roddick was served a bagel just like Federer was at RG, but Roddick won more games than Federer.

I am not sure whether this means Roddick is better than Federer on clay, or can just handle Nadal better (because of his 2 handed backhand and larger racquet???). But it does show that there is something seriously wrong with Federer or his racquet when he plays Nadal on clay.

Stopped reading right there :lol:

 

[tennis-hero]

Andy is good on clay

look at his record on green clay

 

[PROTENNIS63]

Oh the Hamburg thing? Nadal wasn't even taking it seriously. Like the match he lost to Djokovic this year before heading out for the Olympics

Nadal not taking a match seriously??? You got **** coming out from your mouth. Shape up. Grow up. Don't ruin the board for other members.

I hope the moderators can start deleting these threads as they are stupid. You know what stupid is? You!

Since you have so much time on your hand, why don't you go to school and learn for a change.

 

[thalivest]

You are right, Roddick is good on clay. All his first and second round losses at the French the last 7 years are proof positive of that. Oh yeah Nadal was very injured in that match and still only gave up 7 games in 3 sets (and Roddick had to work his tail off hitting huge serves to get that 7th game).

 

[thalivest]

Nadal in the last 3 years at the USO has reached the SF, QF and 4th round.
So I don´t think the Roddick at RG-Nadal at the USO or Roddick on clay-Nadal on hardcourts comparisons make sense. Nadal is actually a better hardcourt player than Roddick right now.

Nadal is a great hard court player right now, one of the best. The only difference for him compared to other surfaces is there are 4 guys that are pretty close on hard courts- Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, and now Murray. On grass of course Federer and Nadal are apart from everyone else for now, and on clay Nadal alone is apart from everyone else.

I doubt Roddick is top 4 on any surface right now, maybe grass but maybe not.

 

[Morrissey]

Anyone catch the Nadal-Roddick Davis Cup rubber yesterday?

Roddick was playing quite well and even winning some of the baseline rallies. Nadal was just a little better at everything. In fact, as the commentators pointed out, Roddick was served a bagel just like Federer was at RG, but Roddick won more games than Federer.

I am not sure whether this means Roddick is better than Federer on clay, or can just handle Nadal better (because of his 2 handed backhand and larger racquet???). But it does show that there is something seriously wrong with Federer or his racquet when he plays Nadal on clay.

That must explain all those French Open final appearances he had. Oh wait. He never went past the 3rd round in Paris. Yeah, he must be better than Fed.

 

[thalivest]

That must explain all those French Open final appearances he had. Oh wait. He never went past the 3rd round in Paris. Yeah, he must be better than Fed.

Isnt 2001 his only third round still? Amazing his best showing on clay was as a teenager. He actually had a real forehand as a teenager though.

 

[edmondsm]

Say what you will, but Roddick did not appear clueless and lost when a Nadal ball showed up on his backhand side. I think a 1-handed backhand player can never defeat Nadal. Only a two hander like Murray or Roddick can.

Well no one can beat Nadal on clay, regardless of 1hbh or 2hbh, so I assume you are talking in general, especially since you said Roddick or Murray. And I guess you have forgotten about the times that Nadal got absolutely tuned up by Federer, Blake, and Gonzalez.

 

[Cup8489]

Well no one can beat Nadal on clay, regardless of 1hbh or 2hbh, so I assume you are talking in general, especially since you said Roddick or Murray. And I guess you have forgotten about the times that Nadal got absolutely tuned up by Federer, Blake, and Gonzalez.

he has selective memory. any time a 1 hander thrashes a 2 hander, he doesnt ever mention good tennis. tends to say they were tired (the 2 hander)

but he lights up like a christmas tree when a two hander wins against a one hander.

oh and by the way sureshs, most people assume that federer doesnt lie in such a way as you suggest. you're the freakish person who thinks that someone would fabricate such a story about this. and as to your doctor-patient confidentiality argument, it doesnt prove anything, except that your evidence is once again cicumstantial. i dont have to prove fed had mono, you have to prove he didnt, since you're the antagonist in this thread, with all your outlandish and baseless claims.

and because of the confidentiality clause, obviously they WOULNDT say, because they're bound not to. so how does that prove, or even suggest, federer is lying?

oh yeah. it doesnt. at least not to normal, sane human beings.

 

[David L]

Anyone catch the Nadal-Roddick Davis Cup rubber yesterday?

Roddick was playing quite well and even winning some of the baseline rallies. Nadal was just a little better at everything. In fact, as the commentators pointed out, Roddick was served a bagel just like Federer was at RG, but Roddick won more games than Federer.

I am not sure whether this means Roddick is better than Federer on clay, or can just handle Nadal better (because of his 2 handed backhand and larger racquet???). But it does show that there is something seriously wrong with Federer or his racquet when he plays Nadal on clay.

So? As if one match means anything. What about all of Federer's other encounters with Nadal on clay, including this year? All very close encounters.

 

[crazylevity]

I just realised....

sureshs: Roddick > Federer on clay.

quest01: Ivanovic > Roddick on clay.

Therefore according to TW posters...Ivanovic >> Federer on clay.

I might have to stop reading some of the things going on around here.

 

[NamRanger]

I just realised....

sureshs: Roddick > Federer on clay.

quest01: Ivanovic > Roddick on clay.

Therefore according to TW posters...Ivanovic >> Federer on clay.

I might have to stop reading some of the things going on around here.

So if Ivaonivic > Roddick on clay, and Roddick > Federer on clay, and Ivaonivic > Federer on clay, that must mean Henin > Federer on clay, thus meaning Tathiana Garbin > Federer on clay, and if Federer > Nadal on HC, that must mean OGM MY HEAD IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE SOMEBODY SAVE ME!!!!!!!@#!@$!@#!!!!!!!!!!!