Roger Federer the cheater?

ARTICLE.:

Roger Federer Gives New Meaning to Being No. 1

- Roger Federer. Greatest tennis player of all time. General nice guy.

Cheater?


Blasphemy, I know. But he did break rules Wednesday in his quarterfinal victory over Nikolay Davydenko at the Australian Open, and the move seemed to turn momentum his way.

What did he do? Federer went to the bathroom.

That sounds silly, but it's actually a serious issue on tour. Players have made habit of pretending to cramp up when they're losing, hoping to stop the opponent's rhythm. So rules were changed, eliminating timeouts for cramps.

And now players are finding a new way to delay. Forget strategic cramping, this is strategic-, well, I'm not going to finish that sentence.

Federer was crushed in the first set and then took a bathroom break.

After the match, he explained why:

"When the sun comes from the side, the ball seems half the size and is just hard to hit. I never take toilet breaks, but I thought 'Why not?'

I just hoped that with every minute it took, the sun would move another centimeter."

He then threw in, as an afterthought, that he also had to go to the bathroom.

Well, tennis doesn't have bathroom monitors. Yet. So we can't say for sure what he did.

But Federer made it clear that he was looking for the break so the sun might set a little and wouldn't be in his eyes. And the rules clearly state that a bathroom break "can be used for no other purpose" than going to the bathroom.

A few minutes after Federer returned, Davydenko fell to pieces.

But it's not just Federer. The next match on Rod Laver Arena, Novak Djokovic suddenly had to leave during the third set, telling the chair umpire he needed to throw up. Djokovic did look sick.

Still, he's known for having a suspiciously high number of ailments.

He would lose to Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, and afterward someone asked Tsonga when he first noticed that Djokovic was having a problem.

"Five years ago," he said.

This is gamesmanship, pure and simple. It's widely practiced and somewhat accepted in tennis culture in the same way as basketball players flopping when they are touched or soccer players falling over in melodrama every time someone comes within two feet of them.

But tennis' governing bodies are trying to legislate against this stuff with certain restrictions as to what kind of treatment players can get for a cramp, how often they can be seen for medical issues or, yes, when and why they can go to the bathroom.

You have to understand the psyche of a tennis player. The feeling is that you're on the court by yourself, with no help. If you're not in good enough shape to play, well, that's your problem. A cramp is seen not as a medical problem, but a lack of fitness.

But at the 1995 U.S. Open, player Shuzo Matsuoka's legs were cramping so bad that he was on the court writhing and screaming.

It was a moment tennis fans won't forget, like football fans watching Joe Theismann's leg break. At the time, if a trainer had touched Matsuoka, then he would have been disqualified. So his agony just lasted and lasted.

Rules were changed. And by the end of 2009, an amazing run of players cramped every time they fell behind, taking a break. So much for the warrior attitude.

No more. Now, players can't get treated for a cramp until the changeover, when they're seated anyway. It was a good rule-change for real cramps. The problem is, if the players were fake-cramping, then they could just fake something else.

An injury, for example.

Or the need to go to the bathroom.

"I don't want to find excuses for my loss," Djokovic said. "But, you know, I went to vomit and I had diarrhea before the match.

"I had to go to the toilet. There was no way. Otherwise, I would throw up on the court."

We didn't need to see that, but maybe he was just nervous. Or, maybe he was tired.

It brings back memories of the 2008 U.S. Open, when Andy Roddick ridiculed Djokovic for his constant calls for trainers. Told that Djokovic had a few injuries, Roddick started listing things, sarcastically: back, hip, cramp. Bird flu. "Anthrax. SARS. Common cough and cold."

Djokovic then, after beating Roddick, was booed for taking on Roddick over the public address system.

"They're already against me," Djokovic said at the time, "because they think I'm faking everything."

When Djokovic returned, he couldn't run anymore, leading to the feeling that he wanted a break because he was tired. Djokovic said the loss of fluids made his "engine a bit stop working."

You decide if his break was legitimate. But Federer all but admitted that his break wasn't legit.

He was just strategic- ... well, give it your own name.
 

FEDEXP

Professional
Larry David: Give it a rest....and if you quote from an article always give the source and credit the writer.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
ARTICLE.:

Roger Federer Gives New Meaning to Being No. 1

- Roger Federer. Greatest tennis player of all time. General nice guy.

Cheater?


Blasphemy, I know. But he did break rules Wednesday in his quarterfinal victory over Nikolay Davydenko at the Australian Open, and the move seemed to turn momentum his way.

What did he do? Federer went to the bathroom.

That sounds silly, but it's actually a serious issue on tour. Players have made habit of pretending to cramp up when they're losing, hoping to stop the opponent's rhythm. So rules were changed, eliminating timeouts for cramps.

And now players are finding a new way to delay. Forget strategic cramping, this is strategic-, well, I'm not going to finish that sentence.

Federer was crushed in the first set and then took a bathroom break.

After the match, he explained why:

"When the sun comes from the side, the ball seems half the size and is just hard to hit. I never take toilet breaks, but I thought 'Why not?'

I just hoped that with every minute it took, the sun would move another centimeter."

He then threw in, as an afterthought, that he also had to go to the bathroom.

Well, tennis doesn't have bathroom monitors. Yet. So we can't say for sure what he did.

But Federer made it clear that he was looking for the break so the sun might set a little and wouldn't be in his eyes. And the rules clearly state that a bathroom break "can be used for no other purpose" than going to the bathroom.

A few minutes after Federer returned, Davydenko fell to pieces.

But it's not just Federer. The next match on Rod Laver Arena, Novak Djokovic suddenly had to leave during the third set, telling the chair umpire he needed to throw up. Djokovic did look sick.

Still, he's known for having a suspiciously high number of ailments.

He would lose to Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, and afterward someone asked Tsonga when he first noticed that Djokovic was having a problem.

"Five years ago," he said.

This is gamesmanship, pure and simple. It's widely practiced and somewhat accepted in tennis culture in the same way as basketball players flopping when they are touched or soccer players falling over in melodrama every time someone comes within two feet of them.

But tennis' governing bodies are trying to legislate against this stuff with certain restrictions as to what kind of treatment players can get for a cramp, how often they can be seen for medical issues or, yes, when and why they can go to the bathroom.

You have to understand the psyche of a tennis player. The feeling is that you're on the court by yourself, with no help. If you're not in good enough shape to play, well, that's your problem. A cramp is seen not as a medical problem, but a lack of fitness.

But at the 1995 U.S. Open, player Shuzo Matsuoka's legs were cramping so bad that he was on the court writhing and screaming.

It was a moment tennis fans won't forget, like football fans watching Joe Theismann's leg break. At the time, if a trainer had touched Matsuoka, then he would have been disqualified. So his agony just lasted and lasted.

Rules were changed. And by the end of 2009, an amazing run of players cramped every time they fell behind, taking a break. So much for the warrior attitude.

No more. Now, players can't get treated for a cramp until the changeover, when they're seated anyway. It was a good rule-change for real cramps. The problem is, if the players were fake-cramping, then they could just fake something else.

An injury, for example.

Or the need to go to the bathroom.

"I don't want to find excuses for my loss," Djokovic said. "But, you know, I went to vomit and I had diarrhea before the match.

"I had to go to the toilet. There was no way. Otherwise, I would throw up on the court."

We didn't need to see that, but maybe he was just nervous. Or, maybe he was tired.

It brings back memories of the 2008 U.S. Open, when Andy Roddick ridiculed Djokovic for his constant calls for trainers. Told that Djokovic had a few injuries, Roddick started listing things, sarcastically: back, hip, cramp. Bird flu. "Anthrax. SARS. Common cough and cold."

Djokovic then, after beating Roddick, was booed for taking on Roddick over the public address system.

"They're already against me," Djokovic said at the time, "because they think I'm faking everything."

When Djokovic returned, he couldn't run anymore, leading to the feeling that he wanted a break because he was tired. Djokovic said the loss of fluids made his "engine a bit stop working."

You decide if his break was legitimate. But Federer all but admitted that his break wasn't legit.

He was just strategic- ... well, give it your own name.

It was obvious gamesmanship but he didn't cheat. Davydenko had his chances to come back (especially in set #4) and did not capitalize.

If Davy was smart, he too would have returned the favor after set #2... and headed off to the bathroom. He desperately needed to collect himself after his nuclear mental meltdown.

Davy can be like Clijsters... in that he plays too quickly whether he's hitting well or badly. He desperately needed a mental timeout after what occurred in set #2 but chose not to take advantage of the opportunity. As a result he was then bagelled in set #3.
 
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Swissv2

Hall of Fame
When you cheat, the other player will be at an unfair disadvantage.

So...was Davydenko at a disadvantage because Federer took a bathroom break?
no.
 
Larry David: Give it a rest....and if you quote from an article always give the source and credit the writer.

Give what a rest? All I did was cut and paste an article....I never once gave an opinion.

By the way heres the source:


Greg Couch national columnist for FanHouse
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
it's nothing that the majority of the pros haven't done (or won't do) in the future. for me, it's no big deal that fed went to the john. he had to pee, and he got the sun to set a little. more power to him. i mean, how long was he gone . . . a few minutes. do you really think it had that much of an impact on the match?

djokovic was a mess out there. let the poor guy do what he has to do in private. obviously, he was not in any shape to win that match, but he gave it a go.

the reason fans question breaks and time-outs and bathroom breaks now is because everybody and their uncle is taking one. blame the tours for opening up that can of worms.
 

NiceLa

New User
ARTICLE.:

Roger Federer Gives New Meaning to Being No. 1

- Roger Federer. Greatest tennis player of all time. General nice guy.

Cheater?




But Federer made it clear that he was looking for the break so the sun might set a little and wouldn't be in his eyes. And the rules clearly state that a bathroom break "can be used for no other purpose" than going to the bathroom.

A few minutes after Federer returned, Davydenko fell to pieces.
i don't think Federer broke the rules since he he went to the bathroom to go to the bath room not getting a massage or anything like that
 
i don't think Federer broke the rules since he he went to the bathroom to go to the bath room not getting a massage or anything like that

they should hire an inspector to watch if they make #1 or #2....lol....

But why on earth did Roger admit it? I mean that was not to bright.
 

iriraz

Hall of Fame
I think it`s pretty common especially in a long match if a player goes to the bathroom at the end of the set.It would be unapropriate if a player does this during the set or before a big moment but it`s not a big deal if it happens after a set is gone and there is always a longer break
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
did he do number 1 or 2?

That would be very significant in determining the severity of the cheating behavior.
 

dana

New User
I say if you've got to go, you've got to go. And I say if that short of a break makes an opponent fall apart, there's something seriously wrong with his mental game.
 

rejul

Banned
It was obvious gamesmanship

Agreed. Obvious cheater is obvious and the spirit of the game.

If Davy was smart, he too would have returned the favor after set #2... and headed off to the bathroom. He desperately needed to collect himself after his nuclear mental meltdown.

Davydenko is not a cheater. Because opponent cheating stoop down to that level? Not for gentleman, not Davydenko. Let another cheap "win" to the cheater.

Larry posting good article. Thanks.
 

Carsomyr

Legend
What would you guys say of Nadal did that? Is Nadals taking a few extra seconds to serve any worse than what Federer did?

Yes, it is.

Trust me, I'm not crazy about what Federer did, but he was only gone for three to five minutes. To be fair, I'll say five. That's 300 seconds of time wasted.

Now, let's look at the Nadal-Murray match, a significantly shorter match than Davydenko-Federer. The consensus is that Nadal wastes anywhere from 15 to 25 seconds on his own serve. To be fair, I'll say 15. Nadal played 72 service points in the match. Doing the math, 72 x 15 comes out to 1080 seconds wasted. That's 18 minutes wasted in one match alone. And he does this every time he plays. Federer's somewhat suspect act occurred but once in recent memory.

This warrants absolutely no comparison.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Yes, it is.

Trust me, I'm not crazy about what Federer did, but he was only gone for three to five minutes. To be fair, I'll say five. That's 300 seconds of time wasted.

Federer's somewhat suspect act occurred but once in recent memory.

This is exactly why it was gamesmanship to the worst degree and why Davydenko should have returned the favor after set #2, IMO.

Federer has never taken a bathroom break after 1 set (in which, incidentally, he was being demolished by his opponent).
 

GasquetGOAT

Hall of Fame
This is exactly why it was gamesmanship to the worst degree and why Davydenko should have returned the favor after set #2, IMO.

Federer has never taken a bathroom break after 1 set (in which, incidentally, he was being demolished by his opponent).

" gamesmanship to the worst degree?" LOL Nadal have always taken fake injury timeouts against Federer when Federer was in the lead, monte carlo, hamburg, you name it.
 

ChanceEncounter

Professional
This is exactly why it was gamesmanship to the worst degree and why Davydenko should have returned the favor after set #2, IMO.

Federer has never taken a bathroom break after 1 set (in which, incidentally, he was being demolished by his opponent).
So you're basically saying that someone who commits gamesmanship on every point is better than someone who commits gamesmanship every so often.

Great logic.
 
J

Justdoit10

Guest
Its a shame that those were Federers intentions. With that being said, the bathroom break wasnt the reason Davy fell apart.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Players are given a certain time for bathroom breaks these days.So Roger was well within the rules to take that much time and come back.
In short-It wasnt cheating.
What he said to Courier in the interview was clearly in jest because the sun didnt go down in a matter of 3 minutes just like that.
Its possible though that he went to the bathroom to collect himself mentally because he was plain erratic in the first set .
Anyway,the bathroom break didnt seem to affect Davy because he broke Roger immediately after that.

As for the OPs complaint that people call out Nadal-Nadal's gamesmanship is incessant and he resorts to it more often than not.
That said,if Roger's intention was to throw off Davy's momentum then he did a wrong thing as I am no fan of gamesmanship.
 
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mucat

Hall of Fame
When you got to go, you got to go. 5 min is a good time, you done your business, wash you hand...with soup! rinse, towel dry. Look at the mirror, fix the hair a bit. 5 min!
What's the complaint here?
 

rommil

Legend
Yeah, the whole Federer camp are a bunch of cheats. I am going to reprise my post during the Federer-Davydenko match saying that there are actually 5 Rogers taking turns playing, that's how he/they achieved these amazing streaks and go on almost injury free all these years. If that certain Roger sucks with his play he gets replaced (bathroom break) or if it results in a loss of a match, that Roger will be locked in a dungeon for 10 months watching repeated videos of Nadal's ugly backhand. That's why Roger cries on big losses.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
This is exactly why it was gamesmanship to the worst degree and why Davydenko should have returned the favor after set #2, IMO.

Federer has never taken a bathroom break after 1 set (in which, incidentally, he was being demolished by his opponent).

To the worst degree?? LMAO :)

And all this coming from a Nadal fan no less,this forum can be very entertaining at times.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
To the worst degree?? LMAO :)

And all this coming from a Nadal fan no less,this forum can be very entertaining at times.
Does anyone know how much time Roger took?
I dont think it was a whole lot and I do think he really had to go.
Really, people would have to be foolish to draw serious conclusions based on his interview with Courier because those two always joke around.
 

namelessone

Legend
I think Federer went to **** just so that he could take the **** out of some members on these boards. It's incredible how people can ***** about things like timeouts,bathroom breaks and so on,regardless of who is playing. "Oh no,he is breaking my rhythm". Well,if you are a champ get it back,you don't just wilt away cause your opponent is off the court for a few minutes. Sure,momentum is important in tennis but real champions either stay good or don't stay in a bad position for too long.
 

rommil

Legend
This is exactly why it was gamesmanship to the worst degree and why Davydenko should have returned the favor after set #2, IMO.

Federer has never taken a bathroom break after 1 set (in which, incidentally, he was being demolished by his opponent).

Roger went off court to fix his hair. If Davydenko would like to return the favor by doing the same, that bathroom break would only last 30 seconds.
 

valiant

Hall of Fame
I think he went after the first set right ? So it was break time anyway before starting of the second set.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
I think Federer went to **** just so that he could take the **** out of some members on these boards. It's incredible how people can ***** about things like timeouts,bathroom breaks and so on,regardless of who is playing. "Oh no,he is breaking my rhythm". Well,if you are a champ get it back,you don't just wilt away cause your opponent is off the court for a few minutes. Sure,momentum is important in tennis but real champions either stay good or don't stay in a bad position for too long.
Taking too much time is gamesmanship and is unacceptable but again,if Roger did go to the bathroom then people have no grounds to complain.Also,much depends on how much time the whole thing took.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Does anyone know how much time Roger took?
I dont think it was a whole lot and I do think he really had to go.
Really, people would have to be foolish to draw serious conclusions based on his interview with Courier because those two always joke around.

I'm guessing about 5 minutes or so.It didn't even break Kolja's momentum as he was still spanking Fed and had chance to go double break.
 

rejul

Banned
To the worst degree?? LMAO :)

And all this coming from a Nadal fan no less,this forum can be very entertaining at times.

To the worst degree, end of story. Maybe somebody has the tale of rob the bank 13 times and 2 flukes! BTW Sampras won the record 14 against competition! Thanks.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
I think he went after the first set right ? So it was break time anyway before starting of the second set.
yep.He didnt go in between the second set so I have no idea what problem people have.He at the most took two minutes extra-Thats less time than Nadal takes to come to the the coin toss before a match :lol:
 

wksoh

Semi-Pro
It's not cheating... it's like saying shrieking is cheating too cause it affects the opponent - but you can't stop people from shrieking - just have to focus on the game..
 

namelessone

Legend
Taking too much time is gamesmanship and is unacceptable but again,if Roger did go to the bathroom then people have no grounds to complain.Also,much depends on how much time the whole thing took.

I get your point mandy but things like this make me understand why some people view tennis as a sissy sport. We are actually discussing the "impact" fed ******* had on a tennis match. Like they were *****ing about novak getting ill. Or Nadal "faking" his injury against murray.
 

rejul

Banned
BTW Fed won 15 against competition. Thanks.

Yes yes if you consider stretchers hospital Nadal, noname hack Soderling, mental ape Roddick, journeyman Gonzalez and overweight Tsonga worthy major final competition than by all means! 15 why not 25?:lol: Major title count becoming a joke this day. Thanks.
 

rejul

Banned
Yes,agree.15 being greater than 14 and FO title being better than 0 FO finals.

Thanks.

13 shallow + 2 flukes < 14 solid competition. Just observant opinions, thanks. Maybe some chance Murray gets hit by truck before weekend to make it 13 + 3 LOL?:lol: Par for the course. Thanks.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
13 shallow + 2 flukes < 14 solid competition. Just observant opinions, thanks. Maybe some chance Murray gets hit by truck before weekend to make it 13 + 3 LOL?:lol: Par for the course. Thanks.
yep.You can put an asterisk in your history book right now.I'm totally with you,kid.
 
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