Simon: "I saw a Rafa who played at 75% of his former level"

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intrepidish said:
Just relax, I told you I'm going to take a look from my desktop and we'll see for ourselves just how different your emotions and analysis were when it was Roger doing this to younger players, ok?
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go ahead, pal.

Nadal of AO 17 final would've ensured a beatdown on Nadal of AO 22 final and you know it.
and nadal of AO 17 final wasn't even prime level.

My analysis was similar back then. Of course I am not a robot to have exact same emotions when fed was doing well compared to now, duh.
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
Yeah, the key magical ingredient was missing...

RF wasn't there.

Am I right or am I right?
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It sums it up 100%.

That poster is so transparent it's simply hilarious to see him claim it's just a random disinterested tennis discussion for him when everything he writes is drippng with venom and raw emotion.

If we put Roger in there, it would all of a sudden be about amazing play and a challenge from a younger player with incredible court coverage etc.
 
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The_Order said:
Both Novak and Federer have failed to break Nadal from 0-40 in major finals...

Novak failed in 2013 US Open at 4-4 in the 3rd set...

Federer failed in 2009 Aus Open also at 4-4 in the 3rd...

Pretty sure Nadal wasn't serving like Sampras to get out of those situations either...
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I had forgotten about the 2009 AO.

Also, Djokovic failed in the 2012 Australian Open final at 3-4 in the fourth set where if he had converted he would have served for a 5-7 6-4 6-2 6-3 win.
 
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Dolgopolov85 said:
Pretty sure Nadal also wasn't 35 in 2009 or 2013. He had younger legs and was able to get around to returns on courts that played a good deal slower than in 2022.

Also, the point here is Med was already 2 sets up. Fed and Novak weren't. It's a completely different scenario if it's a tough battle versus one you are winning. The problem is Med himself did not believe he could win. That's why he was more upset with the stupid Cristiano Ronaldo vandals than with himself for losing. Guy's sure gonna go a long way with that kind of attitude, lol.
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RF fan detected.

So why are you pretending to be objective? Don't you know that the truth always comes out eventually?

Using age as an excuse for EVERYTHING is a tell-tale sign of RFism. Certainly Djokovic and Nadal fans hardly use it.

If you decided to follow tennis just because you picked ONE player to root for and worship, then you can't get angry at me, Nadal or Medvedev (not to mention Djokovic) when things start going South, when the GOAT myth starts crumbling like a paper tiger.
 
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Dolgopolov85 said:
Thank you for proving my point. In fact you are so biased that the possibility that you may be wrong and I may be right doesn't even occur to you. Bwahaha "I have defended and criticized all of the Big 3" - got news for you, kid, so have I and very recently too. But all it took is for one poster to say I am a Roger fan and you go, "That's it". Actually, that's all I need to know to know where you stand. It's you who are partisan, not me, because you decided to judge my opinions based on which player I am a fan and then laughably style yourself above that.
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Such emotion...

Over what?

Tennis.

Why?

You need to accept the fact that some people are capable of objective analysis. Getting all riled up like a child about it won't help you.

The fact that you see "enemies everywhere" is a projection on your part. You are a biased uber-fan so you assume everyone else must be too.

Basic Psychology 101.
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
RF fan detected.

So why are you pretending to be objective? Don't you know that the truth always comes out eventually?

Using age as an excuse for EVERYTHING is a tell-tale sign of RFism. Certainly Djokovic and Nadal fans hardly use it.

If you decided to follow tennis just because you picked ONE player to root for and worship, then you can't get angry at me, Nadal or Medvedev (not to mention Djokovic) when things start going South, when the GOAT myth starts crumbling like a paper tiger.
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More projection. I have been following tennis since the 90s, unlike you and other Nadal fanboys.

Real talk: This is a 35 year old Nadal who had not played tennis for months before the tournament and had covid just before it. If you seriously think this compares in anyway to the Nadal of AO 09 or of USO 2013, you're insulting him. Do you even know how successful Nadal was in the USO series that year and not just at USO? No, didn't think so. The point simply here is Med played a Nadal who was far more beatable than in 2009 or 2013. The point is that Med should have beaten him and has no excuse for not doing so. That is not a discredit to Nadal. He richly deserved to win for fighting till the end and raising his level eventually. But you said Nadal beat Med by making up with more aggression than before and he did no such thing. Again, a younger and fitter Nadal than this one played more aggressively in the 2017 and 2019 AO finals and still lost to Fed and Djokovic. Come on, do tell me what excuses do YOU have for those losses?
 
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abmk said:
No.

and your laughable attempt at pretending to be non-fanatic of Nadal is hilarious btw.
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I doubt you're laughing.

On the internet, bwahahas, LOLs and smileys are usually signs of anger.

But why?

Because objective fans annoy you?

Why though. We can educate the uber-fans. We are here to help you.
 
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helterskelter said:
I had forgotten about the 2009 AO.

Also, Djokovic failed in the 2012 Australian Open final at 3-4 in the fourth set where if he had converted he would have served for a 5-7 6-4 6-2 6-3 win.
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Even so, both Fedovic from back then would have easily straight setted 2022 Nadal.
 
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Dolgopolov85 said:
More projection. I have been following tennis since the 90s, unlike you and other Nadal fanboys.

Real talk: This is a 35 year old Nadal who had not played tennis for months before the tournament and had covid just before it. If you seriously think this compares in anyway to the Nadal of AO 09 or of USO 2013, you're insulting him. Do you even know how successful Nadal was in the USO series that year and not just at USO? No, didn't think so. The point simply here is Med played a Nadal who was far more beatable than in 2009 or 2013. The point is that Med should have beaten him and has no excuse for not doing so. That is not a discredit to Nadal. He richly deserved to win for fighting till the end and raising his level eventually. But you said Nadal beat Med by making up with more aggression than before and he did no such thing. Again, a younger and fitter Nadal than this one played more aggressively in the 2017 and 2019 AO finals and still lost to Fed and Djokovic. Come on, do tell me what excuses do YOU have for those losses?
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I've been following tennis since the 80s,

As for you... doubtful.
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
Such emotion...

Over what?

Tennis.

Why?

You need to accept the fact that some people are capable of objective analysis. Getting all riled up like a child about it won't help you.

The fact that you see "enemies everywhere" is a projection on your part. You are a biased uber-fan so you assume everyone else must be too.

Basic Psychology 101.
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I am not talking about some people, only YOU. A person who resorts to kindergarten level sporting debate "yeah, you are a fan of XYZ, lol, naturally you say that" cannot possibly be objective. And there is nothing objective about what you said. Again, you claimed Nadal used aggression to compensate for what he had lost in physicality but Med made more winners than Nadal. Er, did you need that? Or are you so convinced of your objectivity that you don't even bother to read the numbers and just go with your ever infallible gut?
 
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Dolgopolov85 said:
More projection. I have been following tennis since the 90s, unlike you and other Nadal fanboys.

Real talk: This is a 35 year old Nadal who had not played tennis for months before the tournament and had covid just before it. If you seriously think this compares in anyway to the Nadal of AO 09 or of USO 2013, you're insulting him. Do you even know how successful Nadal was in the USO series that year and not just at USO? No, didn't think so. The point simply here is Med played a Nadal who was far more beatable than in 2009 or 2013. The point is that Med should have beaten him and has no excuse for not doing so. That is not a discredit to Nadal. He richly deserved to win for fighting till the end and raising his level eventually. But you said Nadal beat Med by making up with more aggression than before and he did no such thing. Again, a younger and fitter Nadal than this one played more aggressively in the 2017 and 2019 AO finals and still lost to Fed and Djokovic. Come on, do tell me what excuses do YOU have for those losses?
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Watch out, he's gonna bring up Fed losing to Nadal 18 years ago to make it seem like Med is not a loser.
 
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intrepidish said:
No double account can just be 'reported' as you know. However the signs are all there and you're clearly one of the usual trolls here.
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I thought there is a report button next to every post
Just press it, and write all your arguments there
Shouldn't be so difficult to figure out for such a smart person
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
I doubt you're laughing.

On the internet, bwahahas, LOLs and smileys are usually signs of anger.

But why?

Because objective fans annoy you?

Why though. We can educate the uber-fans. We are here to help you.
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I know who close to objective fans are.
You are a blind Nadal fanatic, pal.
 
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mike danny said:
Even so, both Fedovic from back then would have easily straight setted 2022 Nadal.
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Please let me debate a small topic without making me get involved in a fan war between Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic!

Nadal's ability to hold serve from way down is indeed very good and it has annoyed me many times in the past. Another example, although not from 0-40, was when he was 0-30 at 4-4 in the fifth set against Verdasco and then won the next seven points. I had stayed up all night cheering for Verdasco only for that to happen. Grrh.
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
No, it was a sign of being bored by you.

Uber-fans are awfully repetitive. It's not like you guys come up with new arguments or sentences... It's all copy-paste.

Just bored. So shoot me.
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Good, I too am incredibly bored of your 'arguments' that make repeated proclamations about your much vaunted objectivity but are nothing but rhetoric and insults because only those and farts escape your body.
 
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helterskelter said:
Please let me debate a small topic without making me get involved in a fan war between Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic!

Nadal's ability to hold serve from way down is indeed very good and it has annoyed me many times in the past. Another example, although not from 0-40, was when he was 0-30 at 4-4 in the fifth set against Verdasco and then won the next seven points. I had stayed up all night cheering for Verdasco only for that to happen. Grrh.
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Ok, apologies :)
 
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utsd21 said:
I thought there is a report button next to every post
Just press it, and write all your arguments there
Shouldn't be so difficult to figure out for such a smart person
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It's not 'arguments' it's IP addresses and exact speech patterns or double accounts wouldn't last for months as they often do

Don't worry, your charade is transparent in any case 'Mr. I'm not a fan of any player' who just happens to join to complain incessantly about Nadal right after he wins #21.
 
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helterskelter said:
Please let me debate a small topic without making me get involved in a fan war between Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic!

Nadal's ability to hold serve from way down is indeed very good and it has annoyed me many times in the past. Another example, although not from 0-40, was when he was 0-30 at 4-4 in the fifth set against Verdasco and then won the next seven points. I had stayed up all night cheering for Verdasco only for that to happen. Grrh.
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I think nobody disputes Nadal's ability to hold service from being down
The point is that Meddy played one way till the break points, and then relaxed, and was waiting for the really unforced error to come
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
Only if they are rabid uber-fan pigs.

Uber-fans live in Disneyland. They believe they can fly, and they do...

... Until they come crashing down.

Speaking of which... How was that landing?
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this guy who thinks AO 22 final was good quality has been watching tennis since the 80s

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intrepidish said:
It's not 'arguments' it's IP addresses and exact speech patterns or double accounts wouldn't last for months as they often do

Don't worry, your charade is transparent in any case 'Mr. I'm not a fan of any player' who just happens to join to complain incessantly about Nadal right after he wins #21.
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I'll say it one last time.
Go ahead, press the report button, and drop all your arguments there.
The IP address should be a bullet proof evidence, isn't it? I'm, sure mods can check it.
Or should I hold your hand in the process when you press the report button?

Now, would you mind to stop changing the topic of the discussion in this thread?
 
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Dolgopolov85 said:
No, more like you claim to be 'bored' or whatever but you can't let go, your massive ego won't let you. It's hilarious, lol.
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You're not letting go either 'Mr. this is so hilarious I can't stop'

I agree there's a kind of humor here but it's certainly not of the variety you imagine.
 
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utsd21 said:
I think nobody disputes Nadal's ability to hold service from being down
The point is that Meddy played one way till the break points, and then relaxed, and was waiting for the really unforced error to come
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Agreed on most of that - and @mike danny: thanks, and with all that said I do agree that younger versions of Federer or Djokovic or Nadal himself would most likely have won against his 2022 AO self - but I wouldn't say "relaxed." If Medvedev were relaxed, he wouldn't just wait for the UE.
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
Let me guess...

You signed up on July 2009?
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I Joined Dec 9, 2008. If you had clicked on my profile you've have seen it.
But then looks like you are a hack on that front as well.

And stop projecting your delusional fanboyism on others. :)
 
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nyta2 said:
could even be 1% drop in quality... but at the GS-winning-level, that 1% might as well be an ocean of quality.
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fun math
nadal points won: 182 49.06%
medd points won: 189 50.94%
hypothetically, in "peak" nadal form, the numbers would be reversed
so that would be a 14pt swing, so nadal "dropped" 50% in quality points that separated them, so maybe simon was being generous :p
 
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abmk said:
this guy who thinks AO 22 final was good quality has been watching tennis since the 80s

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Yeah... Ray Liotta pretending to laugh in a scene from Goodfellas.

Have you actually seen this film? Do you know why he laughed? (Hint: it wasn't genuine laughter.)

So ironic... that you'd use this meme, of all memes. A Boomer's Boomerang.
 
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intrepidish said:
You're not letting go either 'Mr. this is so hilarious I can't stop'

I agree there's a kind of humor here but it's certainly not of the variety you imagine.
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And why does that bother you? Have you recently changed your profession from legal academic to psychologist? If you have something to say about the debate, you may and I will bite. Otherwise mind your own.
 
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utsd21 said:
I'll say it one last time.
Go ahead, press the report button, and drop all your arguments there.
The IP address should be a bullet proof evidence, isn't it? I'm, sure mods can check it.
Or should I hold your hand in the process when you press the report button?

Now, would you mind to stop changing the topic of the discussion in this thread?
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Obviously you know what a VPN is and you're wounded and trying to bluff because it's clear you're not some random new user whos 'objective about tennis'

You're just another one of the many trolls back for round 2 (or 3 or 4 or 5...) And Nadal's #21 drove you over the edge again.
 
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abmk said:
I Joined Dec 9, 2008. If you had clicked on my profile you've have seen it.
But then looks like you are a hack on that front as well.

And stop projecting your delusional fanboyism on others. :)
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Yeah, about that...

I couldn't be bothered. The Sun used to circle you, but it doesn't anymore.
 
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helterskelter said:
Agreed on most of that - and @mike danny: thanks, and with all that said I do agree that younger versions of Federer or Djokovic or Nadal himself would most likely have won against his 2022 AO self - but I wouldn't say "relaxed." If Medvedev were relaxed, he wouldn't just wait for the UE.
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I think he means 'laidback' or 'passive' rather than relaxed. Med didn't press the issue. And then promptly collapsed and conceded serve in the next game; it was so predictable.
 
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UnderratedSlam said:
Yeah... Ray Liotta pretending to laugh in a scene from Goodfellas.

Have you actually seen this film? Do you know why he laughed?

So ironic... that you'd use this meme, of all memes.
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no, I haven't seen the film and don't really care much. The gif actually shows how laughable statement was though.
 
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