So did the new generation suddenly give up social media?

[Zara]

I considered that too. If this was true we would see them in the latter stages of all the big tournaments now and here we are at the 2022 USO as the most recent example - Federer is literally retired, Djokovic couldn't enter, Nadal was way below average and had other things in mind and it was teenage Alcaraz who took advantage, not Tsitsipas (1st round loss) or Medvedev (4th round loss). The guy's the real deal.

Alcaraz did take advantage but that could be a fluke too. It’s also a case of one too many things aligning for him.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

We can't expect for a Big 3 level player in every generation. I feel like Tennis outside the Big 3 is more or less the same since they showed up.

I wasn't expecting a 30-slam winner. Only naive people do.

Just one slam. 5-6 players born between 1989-1999 winning a slam each. Or one of them winning 2-3.

That should have been the barest minimum. But they totally botched it. Worst generations ever.

 

[tennis_pro]

Alcaraz did take advantage but that could be a fluke too. It’s also a case of one too many things aligning for him.

If Tsitsipas/Medvedev and crew were on the same level they should've been there in the latter stages instead, but they weren't.

 

[Azure]

Ah!

But why are they mental midgets?

Could social media have a role to play?

The million dollar question...

There is no correlation between social media and yips. I cannot see any possible relation. I can understand pampered kids being not driven enough but how does spending time on tiktok make one mentally weak? Mentally weak athletes have been around for long, no?

 

[Zara]

I'd have him as the favorite.

As I said, Alcaraz is the first player I've seen in the last 10-15 years who I could easily see challenge the big 3 in their primes. He just has that X factor, as simple as that. At 19 he's already beaten everyone of worth (including Nadal on clay), 2 Masters, just bagged a Slam and is the top ranked player in the world. He didn't even play that well at the US Open too which I repeat he won at 19. This is no accident.

Yes, he beat Nadal on clay and yet, Nadal was the one to take yet another RG to home.

His USO came at the expense of Sinner, Tiafoe and Ruud. It’s more like a case of being there at the right time and place and nothing more. No reason to read too much into it when one looks at all the details.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

There is no correlation between social media and yips. I cannot see any possible relation. I can understand pampered kids being not driven enough but how does spending time on tiktok make one mentally weak? Mentally weak athletes have been around for long, no?

They are nearly ALL mental midgets.

Hello?

 

[Zara]

If Tsitsipas/Medvedev and crew were on the same level they should've been there in the latter stages instead, but they weren't.

Alcaraz didn’t beat them.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Yes, he beat Nadal on clay and yet, Nadal was the one to take yet another RG to home.

His USO came at the expense of Sinner, Tiafoe and Ruud. It’s more like a case of being there at the right time and place and nothing more. No reason to read too much into it when one looks at all the details.

Yeah... a slam win.

Anybody can do it.

And anybody can play rallies like those guys. Easy-peasy.

Even 22 slams is nothing.

Literally nothing.

Slams are for little children.

 

[Azure]

If Tsitsipas/Medvedev and crew were on the same level they should've been there in the latter stages instead, but they weren't.

They aren’t good man - they can’t string a few good wins together. They simply lack the consistency which is why I can buy the weak era thing but not the social media angle. There are visibly huge flaws in their games - Berretini has one of the weakest backhands for the rest of the game he possesses. Tsitsipas cannot return serves for the love of god, medvedev has a poor transition game like Zverev, kyrgios who spends all his life on social media is actually better than the rest talentwise but is a buffoon, thiem worked so much that his body gave up… they just aren’t that good. The few times they showed promise were when they could string a few games together. Next tournament and they cannot any more. This is department of talent, not social media.

 

[tennis_pro]

Yes, he beat Nadal on clay and yet, Nadal was the one to take yet another RG to home.

His USO came at the expense of Sinner, Tiafoe and Ruud. It’s more like a case of being there at the right time and place and nothing more. No reason to read too much into it when one looks at all the details.

Again, he's 19 years old + he didn't even play that well at the US Open comparing what he brought to the table when he won Miami and Madrid. 5 titles this year, 9 top 10 wins (and the season isn't over yet). The fact that he's meeting the expectations which are so insanely high for a 19-year old is absolutely crazy. He's done nothing wrong so far.

 

[Azure]

They are nearly ALL mental midgets.

Hello?

When your game is lacking your mind gives away first.

 

[Zara]

Yeah... a slam win.

Anybody can do it.

And anybody can play rallies like those guys. Easy-peasy.

Even 22 slams is nothing.

Literally nothing.

Slams are for little children.

No reason to get over excited about Alcaraz’s win where he beat virtually nobody.

Even so, I’ll take Raducanu’s win last year over CA’s this year.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

They aren’t good man - they can’t string a few good wins together. They simply lack the consistency which is why I can buy the weak era thing but not the social media angle. There are visibly huge flaws in their games - Berretini has one of the weakest backhands for the rest of the game he possesses. Tsitsipas cannot return serves for the love of god, medvedev has a poor transition game like Zverev, kyrgios who spends all his life on social media is actually better than the rest talentwise but is a buffoon, thiem worked so much that his body gave up… they just aren’t that good. The few times they showed promise were when they could string a few games together. Next tournament and they cannot any more. This is department of talent, not social media.

Social media was part of their upbringing.

It wasn't for me and all the earlier generations.

So would you deny every sociologist's claim that upbringing affects our development?

It's all genetic?

Society hasn't changed at all? Exactly the same?

Very doubtful.

 

[tennis_pro]

They aren’t good man - they can’t string a few good wins together. They simply lack the consistency which is why I can buy the weak era thing but not the social media angle. There are visibly huge flaws in their games - Berretini has one of the weakest backhands for the rest of the game he possesses. Tsitsipas cannot return serves for the love of god, medvedev has a poor transition game like Zverev, kyrgios who spends all his life on social media is actually better than the rest talentwise but is a buffoon, thiem worked so much that his body gave up… they just aren’t that good. The few times they showed promise were when they could string a few games together. Next tournament and they cannot any more. This is department of talent, not social media.

Or maybe all of them are very solid regular tier 2 players, but because of social media the actual tier 1 players have gone missing? Maybe these guys are the Berdychs, Tsongas and Ferrers of the current era, but there are no Federers or even Beckers. sssss

And because guys who should be in their primes winning Slams right now prefered watching Tik Toks and Medvedev/Zverev/Tsitsipas etc. got all the flak lmao.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

No reason to get over excited about Alcaraz’s win where he beat virtually nobody.

Even so, I’ll take Raducanu’s win last year over CA’s this year.

It's called sarcasm.

But I'm amused it worked so well on you...

The reaction alone... priceless.

So why does Alcatraz winning USO bother you so much?

I'd love to hear the explanation.

 

[Azure]

Social media was part of their upbringing.

It wasn't for me and all the earlier generations.

So would you deny every sociologist's claim that upbringing affects our development?

It's all genetic?

Society hasn't changed at all? Exactly the same?

Very doubtful.

Absolutely not that is not what I am claiming at all. Social media is part of their upbringing as much as it is any kid’s born in the same era who is shining in another field which also requires hours of training and practice.

 

[SeeItHitIt]

Social media - will go down in history on a lower rung than the Hula Hoop.

 

[Zara]

Again, he's 19 years old + he didn't even play that well at the US Open comparing what he brought to the table when he won Miami and Madrid. 5 titles this year, 9 top 10 wins (and the season isn't over yet). The fact that he's meeting the expectations which are so insanely high for a 19-year old is absolutely crazy. He's done nothing wrong so far.

It’s not that he didn’t play well but that was the best he was able to offer and somehow got the win and it probably because he wanted it the most especially when things opened up significantly for him. I mean, Tiafoe, after all did all the hard work.

Anyway, I don’t mean to detail Azure’s thread anymore with this CA stuff.

 

[Azure]

Or maybe all of them are very solid regular tier 2 players, but because of social media the actual tier 1 players have gone missing? Maybe these guys are the Berdychs, Tsongas and Ferrers of the current era, but there are no Federers or even Beckers. sssss

And because guys who should be in their primes winning Slams right now prefered watching Tik Toks and Medvedev/Zverev/Tsitsipas etc. got all the flak lmao.

Agree with paragraph 1, paragraph 2, dunno

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Absolutely not that is not what I am claiming at all. Social media is part of their upbringing as much as it is any kid’s born in the same era who is shining in another field which also requires hours of training and practice.

Social media is drastically affecting the development of ALL kids, irrelevant what careers they later pursue.

Pretty much all psychologists agree on this. They only disagree on the extent and how precisely.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Social media - will go down in history on a lower rung than the Hula Hoop.

Hoola Hoop went away.

This thing is staying.

 

[Zara]

It's called sarcasm.

But I'm amused it worked so well on you...

The reaction alone... priceless.

So why does Alcatraz winning USO bother you so much?

I'd love to hear the explanation.

It remotely doesn’t bother me as much as it bothers you to no end that I am not cool with it. LOL

 

[Azure]

Social media is drastically affecting the development of ALL kids, irrelevant what careers they later pursue.

Pretty much all psychologists agree on this. They only disagree on the extent and how precisely.

Every age affects upbringing. It is surely affecting. It is not the cause for the failure of the lost gen or next gen.

Of course social media affects how all of us are behaving, responding etc. anyone who denies that is quite stupid because we are already seeing effects of it.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

It remotely doesn’t bother me as much as it bothers you to no end that I am not cool with it. LOL

You seem to misunderstand my posts as much as you misunderstand pro tennis... if that's even possible.

Let me clarify. Or try to. Bear with me...

I am analyzing you, for want of a better word, I'm not angry at you. Huge difference. Why would I be angry. I am not invested in your intellectual development or future or anything to do with you. I don't even know you. It's your bad logic which fascinates me, and I always pursue bad logic on a forum, because it is interesting to learn about bad logic, how it functions, what makes it tick.

I am trying to figure out how a self-proclaimed tennis fan is so annoyed with a debut slam winner who won in spectacular fashion. It's a huge paradox.

A mystery.

It's that simple.

Now, you can get upset at me if you want, for finding it positive that a new face finally won again, but you needn't do so.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Every age affects upbringing. It is surely affecting. It is not the cause for the failure of the lost gen or next gen.

Of course social media affects how all of us are behaving, responding etc. anyone who denies that is quite stupid because we are already seeing effects of it.

I never said it was THE cause.

I said it was A cause. Several reasons have to be part of st this strange as a row of catastrophic generations. This is a piece of the puzzle.

 

[Zara]

All this talk has made me craving for some chimichanga. Which reminds not so long ago I ventured out to a Mexican restaurant and it was delish. I now sound like MN.

 

[tennis_pro]

Every age affects upbringing. It is surely affecting. It is not the cause for the failure of the lost gen or next gen.

Of course social media affects how all of us are behaving, responding etc. anyone who denies that is quite stupid because we are already seeing effects of it.

It's scary, this instant gratification obsession can literally affect anyone. We used to have family gatherings and just talk about anything or even watch TV and comment on whatever was going on. Now everyone's in their bloody phones looking at things which are absolutely meaningless.

I deleted all my social media (apart from Messenger/WhatsApp just for conversation purposes) months ago and feel much happier and I 100% encourage everyone else to do the same. I even stopped using the phone for every nanosecond that I'm not doing anything just to give other people an example that you can still travel by train or a subway and not watch 100 memes of funny cats. People are missing out on life, simple interactions, conversations. If Jesus came back 95% of us would miss it, because we would all have our eyes glued to our damn phones.

 

[Azure]

It's scary, this instant gratification obsession can literally affect anyone. We used to have family gatherings and just talk about anything or even watch TV and comment on whatever was going on. Now everyone's in their bloody phones looking at things which are absolutely meaningless.

I deleted all my social media (apart from Messenger/WhatsApp just for conversation purposes) months ago and feel much happier and I 100% encourage everyone else to do the same. I even stopped using the phone for every nanosecond that I'm not doing anything just to give other people an example that you can still travel by train or a subway and not watch 100 memes of funny cats.

Agree and agree. TT, whatsapp remain my only medium of interaction.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

It's scary, this instant gratification obsession can literally affect anyone. We used to have family gatherings and just talk about anything or even watch TV and comment on whatever was going on. Now everyone's in their bloody phones looking at things which are absolutely meaningless.

I deleted all my social media (apart from Messenger/WhatsApp just for conversation purposes) months ago and feel much happier and I 100% encourage everyone else to do the same. I even stopped using the phone for every nanosecond that I'm not doing anything just to give other people an example that you can still travel by train or a subway and not watch 100 memes of funny cats.

You got me agreeing on everything except the funny cats.

Literally the best thing about the internet.

I never had Twitter, don't have Instagram, very rarely use Facebook (and only to find info).

I hate that crap.

And when I get tired of TTW I don't show up for weeks or months...

 

[Zara]

You seem to misunderstand my posts as much as you misunderstand pro tennis... if that's even possible.

Let me clarify. Or try to. Bear with me...

I am analyzing you, for want of a better word, I'm not angry at you. Huge difference. Why would I be angry. I am not invested in your intellectual development or future or anything to do with you. I don't even know you. It's your bad logic which fascinates me, and I always pursue bad logic on a forum, because it is interesting to learn about bad logic, how it functions, what makes it tick.

I am trying to figure out how a self-proclaimed tennis fan is so annoyed with a debut slam winner who won in spectacular fashion. It's a huge paradox.

A mystery.

It's that simple.

Now, you can get upset at me if you want, for finding it positive that a new face finally won again, but you needn't do so.

My hubby @Lleytonstation is also not as amused. So I am not alone on this. And there’s also few others but I still maintain, you’re disturbed by it.

 

[Zara]

We should have a relationship talk. And how in general it’s affecting us.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

My hubby @Lleytonstation is also not as amused. So I am not alone on this. And there’s also few others but I still maintain, you’re disturbed by it.

Hubby?

Wut?

 

[UnderratedSlam]

My hubby @Lleytonstation is also not as amused. So I am not alone on this. And there’s also few others but I still maintain, you’re disturbed by it.

So you admit you're upset by how the USO went...

Why though?

 

[Zara]

It's scary, this instant gratification obsession can literally affect anyone. We used to have family gatherings and just talk about anything or even watch TV and comment on whatever was going on. Now everyone's in their bloody phones looking at things which are absolutely meaningless.

I deleted all my social media (apart from Messenger/WhatsApp just for conversation purposes) months ago and feel much happier and I 100% encourage everyone else to do the same. I even stopped using the phone for every nanosecond that I'm not doing anything just to give other people an example that you can still travel by train or a subway and not watch 100 memes of funny cats. People are missing out on life, simple interactions, conversations. If Jesus came back 95% of us would miss it, because we would all have our eyes glued to our damn phones.

You have become more spiritual, I see.

 

[tennis_pro]

We should have a relationship talk. And how in general it’s affecting us.

That's basically Tinder and all the dating apps, waste of time for both men and women. Deleted that too.

 

[Zara]

So you admit you're upset by how the USO went...

Why though?

Not upset but not as amused. Actually I wanted him to win and I will tell you as to why in due time.

 

[Zara]

That's basically Tinder and all the dating apps, waste of time for both men and women. Deleted that too.

Why have it in the first place?

 

[Zara]

Hubby?

Wut?

Wut? Are you not familiar with our story yet? We also have two dogs. We have an escape plan in place in case the world goes kaput.

 

[optic yellow]

Which is fine. If someone can make millions of dollars, never have to work a day in their life, and not give up their 20's and 30's - why should they be criticized by a bunch of nobody wage slaves? People who only exist to make some rich guy a little richer.

Because it feels unfair seems like a logical answer.

 

[tennis_pro]

Why have it in the first place?

You would think it would only make your dating life easier, but in reality it distorts reality. It's basically a validation app for women at this point, for men I don't even know what it brings anymore lmao. Even the actual players (I know two guys personally) who have one thing in mind would rather go to a nightclub than use Tinder.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Wut? Are you not familiar with our story yet? We also have two dogs. We have an escape plan in place in case the world goes kaput.

I didn't realize you two were celebrities.

I shall have to Wikipedia you right away...

Rushing...

Still rushing...

Almost there.

 

[optic yellow]

You would think it would only make your dating life easier, but in reality it distorts reality. It's basically a validation app for women at this point, for men I don't even know what it brings anymore lmao. Even the actual players (I know two guys personally) who have one thing in mind would rather go to a nightclub than use Tinder.

Like women just want to have a million dudes "matched" because it tells them they're attractive or something?

 

[Zara]

You would think it would only make your dating life easier, but in reality it distorts reality. It's basically a validation app for women at this point, for men I don't even know what it brings anymore lmao. Even the actual players (I know two guys personally) who have one thing in mind would rather go to a nightclub than use Tinder.

I have some friends who are on Tinder. The serious ones are on match.com. LOL

 

[mike danny]

And the timeframe isn’t important? The big 2 in their mid-30s and the other one almost retired? At least the next gen faced the big two while they were still strong and going.

Wouldn't go that far. The Next Gen are also lucky with their timing. That they couldn't make proper use of it is their fault.

 

[Booger]

I have some friends who are on Tinder. The serious ones are on match.com. LOL

Tinder works, but it absolutely isn't a "dating" app. It's only for if you want to netflix and chill with a single mom for a few hours.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Do coaches prohibit mobile phones being brought to practice sessions?

I doubt it. They should though.

Lendl did and stated it publicly. When he took over the coaching of Murray, Andy was on video games 7 hours a day. Lendl told him before they signed their contract that would cease and it did. Andy started up his addiction again once Ivan exited the stage.

Zverev and Lendl's partnership ended very quickly because Lendl demanded he put his phone away during practice, at least according to Ivan. Zverev claimed it was because Ivan only talked to him on court about "golf and his dogs."

Well, Lendl retired with 8 slams and 94 tournaments. When Zverev leaves the games he'll have about .01% of those accomplishments, so I know who I believe.

 

[alexio]

 

[Sudacafan]

I am not from the new generation, and I have never been active in social media.

 

[Lleytonstation]

I am not from the new generation, and I have never been active in social media.

Hmm. I've seen this riddle before. I'll figure it out.

 

[Sudacafan]

Hmm. I've seen this riddle before. I'll figure it out.

No, you have not, but thanks for your participation anyway.