robthai
Hall of Fame
Not good news for Djokovic then. Tsitipas already leads h2h but hasnt peaked. Djokovic is already at peak.
Some Peak Fed Gems
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NatF
Bionic Poster
If you start one in the former pro section it will probably be alright. Just tag some Sampras fans.
Breakpointerer
Legend
Unprovable, therefore untestable, therefore irrelevant.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
I generally put 04 above 05 at the AO
I agree, it is indeed untestable and (consequently) irrelevant. The same apply to statement "2019 Fed lost to Tsitsipas at the AO, so he would lose probably in straights to Safin." So, why did you like that statement, but not mine? Would you agree that you are a hypocrite?
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Breakpointerer
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ForehandRF
Legend
High level of play showed by Roddick here, but Fed really played well in the breakers in those times, unlike in recent years.
ForehandRF
Legend
Losing to Hrbaty on this surface was pretty bad.The one vs Murray in 2006 was pretty bad too.
I think the main focus was at the Olympics in Athens, which was the next tournament. But no doubt that there he had a bad loss then.
ForehandRF
Legend
He played terrible at the Olympics though.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
I think the SF was clearly better.
Sure, no question about it. In 2004 he was dominant but still beatable in a random match. That only came back in 2007 with Canas etc.
ForehandRF
Legend
Much better here than in 2004
ForehandRF
Legend
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Yoeri's on a roll these days.
ForehandRF
Legend
I hope that one day he will upload Federer-Nadal Monte Carlo 2006 in a better quality
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ForehandRF
Legend
Benoit Kyrgios
Rookie
Why is it that the peak Federer always plays against some tier-2 players? Gainst Nadal and Djokovic fails to deliver, no?
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Arnaud Clement has beaten the "giants" Djokovic and Nadal too lol. He has beaten Murray too. That too when he was way past his prime. He has beaten Agassi at the USO and is an AO finalist losing to Agassi. Sorry to burst your bubble, but many of these people you call "some tier 2 player" actually had decent careers with some impressive highlights.
ForehandRF
Legend
Really ? Watch the matches Fed won vs Djokodal in the 2000s.That would be better than trolling here methinks.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
ForehandRF
Legend
Don't forget that Djokovic was a baby here and he matured a year later because he beat Fed.Had Fed won, it would have been another weak era win because you know the story told by the obvious detractors with amazing tennis knowledge
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah, let's just ignore the sunshine double he played literally right after Dubai (where Fed also beat him). Djokovic was already a good player in 2007. Not as good as he would later become, but he was no weak era mug.Don't forget that Djokovic was a baby here and he matured a year later because he beat Fed
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Don't forget that Djokovic was a baby here and he matured a year later because he beat Fed.Had Fed won, it would have been another weak era win because you know the story told by the obvious detractors with amazing tennis knowledge
Not to fall into any weak era narrative but Djokovic was 19 here so he was not even a man yet, although he was good the second half of the year. Federer destroyed Del Potro there in 2009 but lost to him in the 2009 USO final. Are we going to assume Del Potro was the same player at AO that he was at the USO? I'm not.
Benoit Kyrgios
Rookie
Really?
Djokovic was the baby djokovic back then. Federer played the same quality of tennis in 2016 Australian Open semifinal, extremely clean hitting, but Djokovic demolished him 6-1 6-2 in the first two sets. And that coming from a Federer fan
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Really?
Trolling alert, guys.
ForehandRF
Legend
I understand, but many use the baby argument when Djokovic lost in that period, but when Djokovic won ( eg AO 2008) they suddenly say that is because Fed has been exposed or things like that.Fedfans can't use the age argument for post 2012 matches, but at the same time rival fanbases refer to Novak or Rafa as "babies" when talking about early matches.
Delpo obviously is much better at the USO than at the AO.
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Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Huh, it’s funny. I think Djokovic played about as good in this match as he did in 2016.Really?
ForehandRF
Legend
An unforgettable match.I don't think Fed has ever played better on clay than in this match, not even in the 2011 RG SF.A very good intro by the uploader.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
But to be fair, Djokovic was much better a year later. 2007 was a breakout year for Nole. 2008 was when he played some of his best tennis in his early years. Federer also declined from 2007 version, sure. As much as people wanna play it down, the Mono had quite an impact on Roger and his confidence.Don't forget that Djokovic was a baby here and he matured a year later because he beat Fed.Had Fed won, it would have been another weak era win because you know the story told by the obvious detractors with amazing tennis knowledge
ForehandRF
Legend
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ForehandRF
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Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Federer in 2017-18 won 3 slams.Don't forget that Djokovic was a baby here and he matured a year later because he beat Fed.Had Fed won, it would have been another weak era win because you know the story told by the obvious detractors with amazing tennis knowledge
Djokovic in 2004-05 reached zero Slam 4th Rounds.
This is why I think Federer was not old in 2011-15 while Djokovic was young in 2007-10.
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Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
What does 2004-2005 have to do with 2007-2010? I don’t think Fed even played him in that first period.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
What I mean is Djokovic was in his first steps into the tour in 2007-10, as he was a nobody in the previous years, while Federer in 2011-15 was a player with a lot more to give, as he proved in 2017-18.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Then use stats from 2007-2010 to make your point.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
If we talk about ''too young'' or ''too old'' I think what they did when they were even younger/older is relevant.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Never mind, I’ll do the work for you.
Since 2007-2010 is a four-year period and 2017-2018 only a two-year period, I’ll add 2016 and 2019 to the latter. I’ll name them “young Djokovic” and “old Federer”, respectively, just for the sake of this analysis.
Slam wins: Old Federer (3) > Young Djokovic (1)
Extra Slam finals: Young Djokovic (2) > Old Federer (1)
Extra Slam semifinals: Young Djokovic (6) > Old Federer (4)
YEC: Young Djokovic (1) > Old Federer (0)
Masters: Young Djokovic (5) > Old Federer (4)
Extra Masters finals: Young Djokovic (6) > Old Federer (4)
“Small” titles (that is, ATP 500 and below): Old Federer (9) > Young Djokovic (8)
It’s actually extremely close. The Slam count gives Federer a convincing resume but Djokovic is ahead in every other relevant statistic. Also, when you factor in his greater competition — prime Federer (and even peak Federer in 2007) and prime (and even peak Nadal in 2008 and 2010), both of whom eliminated him many times in the Slams, though he drew Nadal more— I think there is an excellent case for “young” Djokovic having achieved a higher level than “old Federer”.
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