Spanish paper "El Pais" criticizes Federer...

Pwned

Hall of Fame
Fans are an interesting bunch. People who worship...other people. :confused: At least religions promise you something in exchange.

fan: an ardent admirer or enthusiast.

Where does worshiping come in? Please keep religion an all other fiction out of this.
 
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Deleted member 3771

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Wow, sir. What a post! You win a wooden nickel!


Thanks. I might add i saw him carry his bags in person in 2001, not on tv like you did only after he had started to win everything and you jumped on the bandwagon. :shock:
 

egn

Hall of Fame
Thanks. I might add i saw him carry his bags in person in 2001, not on tv like you did only after he had started to win everything and you jumped on the bandwagon. :shock:

Amazing I imagine your eyes must have been full of tears as your idol had just lost to him centre court. =] Sorry just the year was too perfect...

Honestly people really pay that much attention to who holds whose bags? Damn than every pro golfer is an arrogant piece of ****.
 

egn

Hall of Fame
Fed's adviser. He's not a full time coach but is there at times.

who gets paid more than most of us probably do. I would love to be Luthi carrying Fed's bags and standing there saying maybe you should hit this or do this drill and getting hundreds of thousands dollars and flying around the world with Federer on a jet. Let me at ol' arrogant Fed.
 

raygo

Semi-Pro
fan: an ardent admirer or enthusiast.

Where does worshiping come in? Please keep religion an all other fiction out of this.

Really, I thought it was a device to provide comfort during hot weather. But thanks for the definition, 'p'wned.

I don't understand the hero worship that is all over the Pro forums. What do people get out of it? Enlighten me.
 

wangs78

Legend
Very short and straight to the point. I would just add, Federer is an arrogant snob.

Also article is right on the money. Good job from Spanish newspaper. It is time that someone in the media says the truth about Federer.

Arrogant and snobby mean pretty much the same thing. So you're not adding anything. Leave it to Nadal / Djoker fans to belabor points (that aren't even defensible to begin with).
 

Pwned

Hall of Fame
Really, I thought it was a device to provide comfort during hot weather. But thanks for the definition, 'p'wned.

I don't understand the hero worship that is all over the Pro forums. What do people get out of it? Enlighten me.

15 year olds deifying their favorite players and arguing with others online. Not much substance on here.
 

DarthFed

Hall of Fame
Really, I thought it was a device to provide comfort during hot weather. But thanks for the definition, 'p'wned.

I don't understand the hero worship that is all over the Pro forums. What do people get out of it? Enlighten me.

This is what ive been trying to figure out for the longest...because it's creeping me out particularly some of the girls
 

raygo

Semi-Pro
Thank you, pwned and DarthFed (love your sig, btw), for confirming my suspicions. Sorry if I was a bit rude.
 
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Deleted member 3771

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Amazing I imagine your eyes must have been full of tears as your idol had just lost to him centre court. =] Sorry just the year was too perfect...

Honestly people really pay that much attention to who holds whose bags? Damn than every pro golfer is an arrogant piece of ****.


Actually it was BEFORE he beat Sampras, well before the ******* like you discovered who Federer was, so there were no tears. I didn't pay much attention to the bags he was holding at the time, but it's in the photo I took of him walking with his bag, so it's easy to check now.;)
 

Chopin

Hall of Fame
Stunning posts guys. So now that we've debated whether or not Federer holds his own tennis bags, do you guys want to debate whether or not brushes his teeth himself and speculate on what brand of toothpaste he uses--hopefully nothing too pretentious.

Grow up children.
 

BorisBeckerFan

Professional
Stunning posts guys. So now that we've debated whether or not Federer holds his own tennis bags, do you guys want to debate whether or not brushes his teeth himself and speculate on what brand of toothpaste he uses--hopefully nothing too pretentious.

Grow up children.

Aquamint with bakingsoda and he does brush them himself. Once his child is old enough he will pay him or her to do it. :):):)
 

Chelsea_Kiwi

Hall of Fame
He was very nice with my daughter at USO last year. He was one of the few players who signed an autograph on her ball and my daughter said he signed for every single fan who was there.
The person I know who works for Fed also got me a magazine with a personalized autograph (in French!) from Fed that is very nice and I'll always treasure it.
It's not black and white at all but I do have an issue with some of Fed's attitudes and statements.
Though the one time you met him you liked him. Funny how you take other opinions of him over your own.
 

BorisBeckerFan

Professional
To Chelsea_Kiwi,
In a previous post you asked me if I knew anything about tennis. I make no claims to be an expert but I did respond to your question and gave a brief summary of my experience.

Would you please share what got you into tennis and shed some light on your tennis knowledge? I am not trying to bate you or challenge you to a tennis knowledge contest. Just wanted to know more about you.




In all honesty I know very little about tennis prior to the 80's. I logged in countless hours watching matches since the early 80's. I also work from home and tennis is on around the clock. It's been several years since Iv'e missed a Fed match and those have been due to a recorder malfunction. Recently I've started to get real down on Fed and realised I should have been enjoying Sampras's play when he was palying. I hated watching him succeed after all the times he jacked up Boris Becker yet I still watched hundreds of Pete's matches to try and mold my game. I played tennis as a junior at good enough level to qualify for state finals at the 16 and under level and other tournaments where you have to qualify to get into. I never did well enough to think I could go pro despite my parents having spent thousands of dollars on coaching ever since I was a child. I gave up on playing tennis seriously and decided to play in highschool for fun. We won our district and I was the number one player on our team my senior year. I had a slighty better than 500 hundred record but I'd have to find and dust off the old year book to say exactly what my record was. I won against the lesser to average players and got handed some major beat downs by some of the better players. I am in my thirities and play around 3 to 4 times a weak. I am overweight and slow so despite having solid strokes I can't keep up solid footwork for long and my game suffers. I've taken lessons for over 20 years (12 of those consistently) and take a lot of joy in playing. I will say I just recently played with a Teaching Pro from Saddlebrook and handed him 6-1 beat down. He wasn't expecting a short fat guy like me to know what I was doing on the court but let's just say I won't be taking lessons from him anymore. I am a huge fan of the tennis Boris Becker played and eventhough I had already been watching tennis for a while I didn't really fall in love with tennis until I saw Boris Play.
 

Chelsea_Kiwi

Hall of Fame
Can you stop posting that everywhere I post? If you are interested you can read my post history but I am not wasting my time on you.
 

BorisBeckerFan

Professional
Sure I'll stop posting it. I thought you would be kind enough to reply as I replied to you. Sorry for wasting your time. Enjoy your stay at Talk Tennis.
 

aphex

Banned
To Chelsea_Kiwi,
In a previous post you asked me if I knew anything about tennis. I make no claims to be an expert but I did respond to your question and gave a brief summary of my experience.

Would you please share what got you into tennis and shed some light on your tennis knowledge? I am not trying to bate you or challenge you to a tennis knowledge contest. Just wanted to know more about you.

just because you wrote it doesn't make it true buddy
 

BorisBeckerFan

Professional
just because you wrote it doesn't make it true buddy

Chelsea_Kiwi already responded to me. He or She asked me not post about it anymore and I agreed. What is it that you think is not true? Chelsea_Kiwi asking me if I knew anything about tennis or me responding to the question?

Either way I would like to leave the subject alone as I agreed to stop posting on it.
 

aphex

Banned
Chelsea_Kiwi already responded to me. He or She asked me not post about it anymore and I agreed. What is it that you think is not true? Chelsea_Kiwi asking me if I knew anything about tennis or me responding to the question?

Either way I would like to leave the subject alone as I agreed to stop posting on it.

i'm saying this little paragraph of yours that you keep parading around doesnt mean squat...it's not a credential

i could say i was the no.1 junior and add some general autobiographical stuff around that...that wouldn't make it true though, would it?
 

BorisBeckerFan

Professional
i'm saying this little paragraph of yours that you keep parading around doesnt mean squat...it's not a credential

i could say i was the no.1 junior and add some general autobiographical stuff around that...that wouldn't make it true though, would it?

Understood. You don't have to believe it. I was asked and I answered. I am not trying to give credentials since regardless of one's credentials, stats given in a debate in regard to pro tennis can all be checked for accuracy on various websites and most of the other comments are subjective so credentials or not, stats are stats and opinions are opinions regardless who they are comming from. I could easily have said I am great 6.0 player who is also a tennis historian and made up all kinds of lies if I wanted to flaunt credentials. My purpose for parading it around was so that Chelsea_Kiwi would see it since he or she doesn't take e-mails.
As threads get added onto many questions are unseen. I upset Chelsea_Kiwi and wanted let him or her know that I did respond to their question and had one of my own. My parading as you call it was excessive and when asked to stop I did. Plus there's nothing really impressive about any of the things I wrote that could be used as credentials. I'm sure many people here have been watching tennis longer than I have, play bettter than I ever have, and know more than I ever will. Was there something in my thread that stood out as far fetched? There's nothing really impressive there.
 
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ignigena

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I also want to point out that the Spaniards are remarkably hostile towards outsiders. It's common knowledge that they are the most "racist" of European countries, particularly from a sport spectator perspective. Now, I put the word racist in quotes because it is debatable exactly how racist they are, but it is well known that the Spanish like using racial epithets against foreign athletes, especially when the event is between a Spanish team/player vs a foreign one.

Your statements come from a lack of knowledge about the issue. Spain has had one of the greatest increase in inmigration rate in all the world in the last 7 years or less, imo I think that, with some disgraceful exceptions, it has been done well, and specially coming from a country that just 35 years ago was not democratic. We still dont have the problems that had aroused in other parts of Europe, that came because the children of the inmigrants dont have the same posibilities than the rest of the population. In Spain I dont know if we are going to be able to change that, now that we have had the chance to see some of the upcoming issues in the transition, but because a big number of those inmigrants share our language, i want to believe that will help. Anyway, my point is, Spanish people are not racist in general terms, we obiously, have our share of one minded nacionalistics stupids, as most countries around the world.

I totally agree with you in that in sports, where most of them sadly are concentrated, i dont know why, there are awful displays of stupidity. By saying " Now, I put the word racist in quotes because it is debatable exactly how racist they are, but it is well known that the Spanish like using racial epithets against foreign athletes, especially when the event is between a Spanish team/player vs a foreign one" you are giving as a matter of fact that spanish people are racist. And that wangs, imho, is racism, not "racism".
 

papucla10

Rookie
He may be doing this because he wants to concentrate, I guess he does not want people to see what is he training on, I mean he has improved in the last tournaments so whatever he is doing is working, when you are struggling you need to find a way to get out of the bad situation and if talking to no one and having some lonely times work for him then be it, I think he also wants to avoid the distractions of fans telling hi that he can do it when he knows it is not that easy.
 
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