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Phil

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Rabbit said:
I think Phil is a Philly Homer. While growing up in San Diego, I was a die hard Oakland fan. Now, I lean more toward college sports, but I do like the Bolts and da Bears.

Yep, I used to BREATHE black-and-gold and although I only see the games now on tape, because I live overseas, I'm still a big "Stiller" fan.

The reason Adely is confused is because there were some Steeler fans here making fairly realistic and non-partisian comments/analysis on the game, and then, one of those purported Stiller fans completely hijacked the thread with a peresonal agenda, turning a civil discussion into a flame war. Too bad-hope this thread can get back on track because the 'lers have AT LEAST another week of football left.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
lol the bus had popped a tire. at least it didnt screw them over.

so guys, broncos vs steelers, who takes it? panthers vs seahawks?

GO HAWKKKKS
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
MackSamuelHustovisics said:
." Should've/could've/would've. In the end, they lucked out. Vanderjagt chocked at home, in the dome with no wind, and no hostile distractions.

No one "lucked out" here; the Steelers did exactly what they had to do to win-and in the Colts' house; they took an early lead and KEPT IT, harassed Manning and his receivers and totally shut down Indy's running game, and and won the game despite a rip-off call-back of the Manning interception which gave Indy another chance to score.

That's not luck. LUCK is Indy and Manning having their arses kissed all year by the media and actually being considered a favorite to win the Bowl. Peyton Manning...meet Dan Marino. Oh wait, Dan at least MADE IT to the Bowl once. And in his second year as a pro.
 
Phil said:
No one "lucked out" here; the Steelers did exactly what they had to do to win-and in the Colts' house; they took an early lead and KEPT IT, harassed Manning and his receivers and totally shut down Indy's running game, and and won the game despite a rip-off call-back of the Manning interception which gave Indy another chance to score.

That's not luck. LUCK is Indy and Manning having their arses kissed all year by the media and actually being considered a favorite to win the Bowl. Peyton Manning...meet Dan Marino. Oh wait, Dan at least MADE IT to the Bowl once. And in his second year as a pro.
What was luck was the missed field goal. If Vanderjagt made it then the Steelers would've had to work more in OT. Everybody at least people in touch with realityknows that PIT played better and that wasn't luck.

It's just that it seemed like PIT had the game at the end, then all of a sudden Bettis fumbles (rare occurance) and then Indy runs downs the field with great field position, making it seem as though they were potentially going to end the game (C'mon, give Manning 3 downs to work with in PIT territory, of course that would give Steelers fans rapid heartbeats.)
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
MackSamuelHustovisics said:
What was luck was the missed field goal. If Vanderjagt made it then the Steelers would've had to work more in OT. Everybody at least people in touch with realityknows that PIT played better and that wasn't luck.

It's just that it seemed like PIT had the game at the end, then all of a sudden Bettis fumbles (rare occurance) and then Indy runs downs the field with great field position, making it seem as though they were potentially going to end the game (C'mon, give Manning 3 downs to work with in PIT territory, of course that would give Steelers fans rapid heartbeats.)

You're right-the ball bounces in strange directions. And on the other side, if Bettis had scored from the 2, as he usually does and Troy's interception had been allowed as it should have-and the Steelers had taken advantage of that turnover to score-then the game may have been a blow-out. Fact is, though, they held Manning to under 20 points; something very few teams-if any-have been able to do all year. I'm happy for another week of slam- bam AFC football.
 
Kaptain Karl said:
The Steelers played very well. And the Broncos are going to the Super Bowl.

- KK
Yes, I will have to agree with you.
Now the steelers are a tough team. They are like bears, physically crushing and intimidating their opponents. The thing is, I don't think the Steelers' players' talents are good enough to beat a Broncos team talent and coaching talent.

It will be a good match. Offense vs defense.

The Broncos have a great balanced offense that can drive down the field. Shanahan is a bonus to top off the team's players' talent. I see him as a genius like Bill Belichick except his specialty is on the offense.

I think the only way PIT can win is if they bang up the DEN receivers and scare them. They need to jam up those guys at the line. PIT needs to stop the running game too. I don't expect DEN to get like 100 team total rushing yards but they will get enough to have PIT honor the run. That should be just enough to set up Plummer with big plays, the play action fakes.

PIT will attempt to keep pounding the ball. After the first half, I think they will abandon the run for the most part because DEN would be stopping them from getting the big gains. PIT would be trailing by a couple of scores and so the ball would be in the hands of Burger so that they can attempt to catch up. I don't think Hamburger will have a great game. This is why PIT will lose. Cowher tries the best he could but just not enough. Typical post season Steelers.
 

Skppr05

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Kaptain Karl said:
This game starts in 45 minutes. My prediction? 24 - 20
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- KK
the star ledger made the same exact prediction...but for the steelers!
 
Docalex007 said:
I'm sick of hearing about the Broncos and Steelers.

GO PANTHERS!

Maybe you should start your own thread about them. Read the "specific" title of this thread before you complain.

(Great football game analysis and or predictions by the way!)[sarcasm]
 
The Panthers are going to lose anyways. Seahawks will face the Broncos in the 2005 Superbowl. As for the predictions of who's going to be the world champs?.... I still haven't analyzed that one yet. It's been tough making predictions this year.
 
Whoa. Looks like Cowher was really prepared. They came into the game passing on first downs, passing when run is expected. Smart game plan. Shanahan ran a lot of play actions (just I as expected) but it's not effective if you can't even sell the run to begin with! Things are looking to be opposite as I predicted. PIT is up by a few scores going into the half.
 

Docalex007

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MackSamuelHustovisics said:
Okay, it's more like PIT vS SEA at the Superbowl.

You've already been wrong with one prediction. Your Seattle prediction is also wrong....as you will see when the Panthers whoop some ass tonight!

BRING IT ON BABY!
 
Docalex007 said:
You've already been wrong with one prediction. Your Seattle prediction is also wrong....as you will see when the Panthers whoop some ass tonight!

BRING IT ON BABY!
At least I attempted to make predictions and elaborate some game details, not just stating who is going to win. What have you stated about football? Nothing!

By the way, SEA is going to win, and I'm sticking to it.
 

PM_

Professional
*YAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWNNNN*
Seattle up 20-7 half-time.
I already told everbody a cazillion times they're taking it all the way.

Bettis, you'd better stick around another year.
 

Muse

Rookie
Seattle baby! Smith's been a non-factor and they're down to their 4th RB, so it's really not suprising they're getting smacked.

My money's on Seattle winning in the superbowl.
 

PM_

Professional
Muse said:
Seattle baby! Smith's been a non-factor and they're down to their 4th RB, so it's really not suprising they're getting smacked.

My money's on Seattle winning in the superbowl.
That's right bro. I posted a thread the start of the season saying they'd take it all the way to the top and lookie here:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
Ouch!

The Steelers beat us in *every* category. They really played well and deserved the win. Cowher's been great at having that team peak at just the right pace. Nice job!

Now go pluck those Seahawks in the Big One!

- KK
 
Kaptain Karl said:
Ouch!

The Steelers beat us in *every* category. They really played well and deserved the win. Cowher's been great at having that team peak at just the right pace. Nice job!

Now go pluck those Seahawks in the Big One!

- KK
Yes, Cowher did have a great gameplan. He focused on scoring early (much like against the Colts), ran passing plays early, and played mangament footabool i the end without being overly-conservative. They depressed the home team fans.
 
After looking over things over a bit, my prediction is that the Steelers will become the World Champs. As far as winning by how much, I'll go with a 3 point victory.
 

Skppr05

Semi-Pro
today is the the day! woot! i ordered a three-foot long sub and buffalo wings for the occasion. lol. the steerlers have progressed further than the majority thought this year. I really want them to win so Bettis can get the ring.
 

dmastous

Professional
Steelers + zebras = superbowl victory :D
While I thought the steelers would win this game (27-10), I do believe the were handed numerous breaks and things would have been different had some different calls been made. Like the offensive pass interference taking away a Seahawk TD. And the 'Berger's "touchdown" just before the half.
 

Kaptain Karl

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dmastous said:
Steelers + zebras = superbowl victory
Methinks you're just trying to be a "pot-stirrer". (Remember, my team was the Broncos....) The officials were not nearly the meddlers that the "sour grapes" crowd may be claiming. (I noticed on ESPN, the panel was split: The ex-NFC players were saying the Refs made too many calls. The ex-AFC players thought it was a well-called game. Hmmm....

That offensive pass interference was a legit call ... especially as pointed out, Jackson did it right in front of the Ref.

I don't know how any objective viewer of that replay can claim #7 did not score. The ball certainly *looked* as if it came in contact with the plane of the End Zone. That's all that needs to happen for a TD.

<edit> The Refs overturning Hasselback's fumble was a good call, right...?

The most idiotic segment of the game? The Seattle series just before the Half ... bizarre! Really poor Clock Management. </edit>

Good game, Steelers. Congrats!

- KK
 

dmastous

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Kaptain Karl said:
Methinks you're just trying to be a "pot-stirrer". (Remember, my team was the Broncos....) The officials were not nearly the meddlers that the "sour grapes" crowd may be claiming. (I noticed on ESPN, the panel was split: The ex-NFC players were saying the Refs made too many calls. The ex-AFC players thought it was a well-called game. Hmmm....

That offensive pass interference was a legit call ... especially as pointed out, Jackson did it right in front of the Ref.

I don't know how any objective viewer of that replay can claim #7 did not score. The ball certainly *looked* as if it came in contact with the plane of the End Zone. That's all that needs to happen for a TD.

<edit> The Refs overturning Hasselback's fumble was a good call, right...?

The most idiotic segment of the game? The Seattle series just before the Half ... bizarre! Really poor Clock Management. </edit>

Good game, Steelers. Congrats!

- KK

No question the Seahawks shot themselves in the foot. How many passes were dropped in the red zone and even in the end zone.
I thought that pass interference play was ticky-tack. 9 times out of 10 it's not called and if is, it's called on the defence.
I though the 'berger TD was not a TD. The ref came into spot the ball and then 'berger brought the ball over the goal line after he was down and the ref put the other arm up and call a TD.
A phantom holding call costing the Seahawks another TD.
That exchange at the end of the half changed the momentum of the game. Seahawks going in to score making it 10-0 instead it's 3-7.
Yes that was the correct over-rule on the fumble, but I thought that ticky tack too. Foote just touched Hassleback but he tripped and fell. That should have been Steeler ball. But I know, like the "tuck rule" you have to call it according to the book. And the book says he was touched so it down by contact.
As for the end of half dance, it didn't hold a candle to the end of game hash up the Seahawks had.
The Steelers played a poor game the Seahawks were better (statistically), but not enough to overcome the bad calls.
You don't have to be objective to know that the officiating during these playoffs as a whole has been very bad. They've made numerous questionable calls.
The Palamolo interception dissallowed??
The "off sides, no not offsides, uh, noone crossed the line of scrimmage so no foul" fiasco?
The pass interference call on the Pat's DB??? That should have been offensive interference.
The Troy Brown muff where he was knocked off the ball before it hit the ground.
There were calls in the Panther/Seahawk game that were questionable as well. I just don't remember them. I think there was a similar touchback off a fumble or interception that was incorrectly ruled in that game (like it was in the Pat's/Broncs game).
These are supposed to be the best referees of the year. It's just hard for me to believe that's true.
And to set the record straight, I'm a Cowboy fan from my youth and a 49er fan to boot. I root against the Steelers after watching the beat the Cowboys in the '70s, and have enjoyed their playoff frustration until now, so I'll admit that.
 

Kaptain Karl

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dmastous said:
And to set the record straight, I'm a Cowboy fan from my youth and a 49er fan to boot. I root against the Steelers after watching the beat the Cowboys in the '70s, and have enjoyed their playoff frustration until now, so I'll admit that.
Thank you for your candor. That explains a lot. (I still have nightmares about Starr/Pearson TD's against my Colts. I hate the 'boys.)

You and I have very different assessments of the quality of the officiating in these playoffs. (That's life....)

- KK
 

dmastous

Professional
Kaptain Karl said:
Thank you for your candor. That explains a lot. (I still have nightmares about Starr/Pearson TD's against my Colts. I hate the 'boys.)

You and I have very different assessments of the quality of the officiating in these playoffs. (That's life....)

- KK

Which Pearson? Preston, or Drew? Starr was the Packer's QB. Staubach was the Cowboy's. Staubach and Criag Morton.
The Cowboys lost to the Colts in '70, and can't have played the Colts more than once every 3 or 4 years if the current scheduling system was in place in the '70s (playing everyone in your div 2x 3 teams from each of the other div once and then 3 from an opp conference div on a rotating basis).
Your nightmares can't be too bad.
My nightmare is seeing that shrink-wrapped Jerry Jones taking a helicopter to tell Tom Landry he's fired during a round of golf the day he bought the team. My nightmare continues to this day :mad:
 

Phil

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dmastous said:
No question the Seahawks shot themselves in the foot. How many passes were dropped in the red zone and even in the end zone.
I thought that pass interference play was ticky-tack. 9 times out of 10 it's not called and if is, it's called on the defence.
I though the 'berger TD was not a TD. The ref came into spot the ball and then 'berger brought the ball over the goal line after he was down and the ref put the other arm up and call a TD.
A phantom holding call costing the Seahawks another TD.
That exchange at the end of the half changed the momentum of the game. Seahawks going in to score making it 10-0 instead it's 3-7.
Yes that was the correct over-rule on the fumble, but I thought that ticky tack too. Foote just touched Hassleback but he tripped and fell. That should have been Steeler ball. But I know, like the "tuck rule" you have to call it according to the book. And the book says he was touched so it down by contact.
As for the end of half dance, it didn't hold a candle to the end of game hash up the Seahawks had.
The Steelers played a poor game the Seahawks were better (statistically), but not enough to overcome the bad calls.
You don't have to be objective to know that the officiating during these playoffs as a whole has been very bad. They've made numerous questionable calls.
The Palamolo interception dissallowed??
The "off sides, no not offsides, uh, noone crossed the line of scrimmage so no foul" fiasco?
The pass interference call on the Pat's DB??? That should have been offensive interference.
The Troy Brown muff where he was knocked off the ball before it hit the ground.
There were calls in the Panther/Seahawk game that were questionable as well. I just don't remember them. I think there was a similar touchback off a fumble or interception that was incorrectly ruled in that game (like it was in the Pat's/Broncs game).
These are supposed to be the best referees of the year. It's just hard for me to believe that's true.
And to set the record straight, I'm a Cowboy fan from my youth and a 49er fan to boot. I root against the Steelers after watching the beat the Cowboys in the '70s, and have enjoyed their playoff frustration until now, so I'll admit that.

Yes, the Steelers really beat up on the Cowboys throughout the 70's, even in exhibition games. They simply disliked "America's Team" and KNEW they were better than the Cowboys, by a lot, and demonstrated this,decisively, on the field.

Your post is mainly sour grapes.

The Steelers did not play a good game, but give the "hawks some credit; they were probably the toughest team the Steelers faced all season (other than, I think, New England). They outplayed the Steelers for a half and were STILL behind-that's when I was sure the game was over, that the Steelers had it in the bag.

Ben called some bad plays, and the "D" didn't pressure the QB like they are famous for. But...the refs didn't lose this game. The interference call was, technically, the right call-the guy clearly pushed off, and pushing off is, technically, a penalty. Why would the ref turn a blind eye to this, if it was right in front of him?

Great teams, like great tennis players, find ways to win even when not at their best, and even against the best...The game came down to big plays. The Steelers made them and Seattle didn't. Seattle's kicker missed two field goals-not chip shots, but not record breakers either. Even with tons of time, Hasslebeck couldn't find open receivers, and over/under threw several passes. His passing stats aren't as good as they look on paper. Cowher coached a hell of a game.

Not the prettiest SB ever played, but not a bad one either-the game wasn't really "decided" until there were 6 minutes left to play.
 

dmastous

Professional
Phil said:
Yes, the Steelers really beat up on the Cowboys throughout the 70's, even in exhibition games. They simply disliked "America's Team" and KNEW they were better than the Cowboys, by a lot, and demonstrated this,decisively, on the field.

Your post is mainly sour grapes.

The Steelers did not play a good game, but give the "hawks some credit; they were probably the toughest team the Steelers faced all season (other than, I think, New England). They outplayed the Steelers for a half and were STILL behind-that's when I was sure the game was over, that the Steelers had it in the bag.

Ben called some bad plays, and the "D" didn't pressure the QB like they are famous for. But...the refs didn't lose this game. The interference call was, technically, the right call-the guy clearly pushed off, and pushing off is, technically, a penalty. Why would the ref turn a blind eye to this, if it was right in front of him?

Great teams, like great tennis players, find ways to win even when not at their best, and even against the best...The game came down to big plays. The Steelers made them and Seattle didn't. Seattle's kicker missed two field goals-not chip shots, but not record breakers either. Even with tons of time, Hasslebeck couldn't find open receivers, and over/under threw several passes. His passing stats aren't as good as they look on paper. Cowher coached a hell of a game.

Not the prettiest SB ever played, but not a bad one either-the game wasn't really "decided" until there were 6 minutes left to play.

No sour grapes here. I had sour foods.
I agree Seattle did not take their opportunities when they had them. Mr. Talk Talk Stevens dropped three passes that would have given them scoring opportunities. Yes the kicker missed two field goals, one because of the 2nd quarter last second mishaps with the clock that cost them over 20 seconds.
My rant is that the officiating throughout the playoffs was BAD. I even cited two calls against the Steelers that were bad calls.
I do think though that if not for those plays, two TDs called back due to penalties (one ticky tack and the other nonexistent), and the phantom touchdown for the Steelers were enough to had that game to the Steelers.
Just my opinion.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
dmastous said:
No sour grapes here. I had sour foods.
I agree Seattle did not take their opportunities when they had them. Mr. Talk Talk Stevens dropped three passes that would have given them scoring opportunities. Yes the kicker missed two field goals, one because of the 2nd quarter last second mishaps with the clock that cost them over 20 seconds.
My rant is that the officiating throughout the playoffs was BAD. I even cited two calls against the Steelers that were bad calls.
I do think though that if not for those plays, two TDs called back due to penalties (one ticky tack and the other nonexistent), and the phantom touchdown for the Steelers were enough to had that game to the Steelers.
Just my opinion.

Rothlisberger's TD was...a TD. It was close, but the ball broke the plain of the goal line by inches. That's ALL it takes. A 99-yard bomb or a QB sneak that BARELY succeeds-six points is six points, no matter how it's done.
 

Ben42

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The only really bad call I saw was the low block personal foul on Hasselback. The others, including the ones that went against the Steelers were just normat calls that happen in every football game.

I thought the hold was a good call. The linebacker had gotten a good jump on the snap and was around the lineman. Lineman had to hook his arm around linebacker’s shoulder pad from behind. That’s holding.

Jackson had his hand on the DB’s chest and moved left by fully extending his arm while his hand stayed in contact. He did it in the end zone right in front of the ref. That’s going to get called most of the time.

The Rothlisberger TD was a two inch call. He either got stopped by an inch, or got in by an inch. If the original call had gone the other way it couldn’t have been overruled either. Also, everyone is so sure the Seattle would have scored a touchdown from the two or three yardline after the “phantom holding call,” but they don’t think Pitt could punch it in from the 1 inch line?

I thought Seattle was famous for microbrews, not whine.
 
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