This remains to be seen
Stop saying "Nadal is a different player at RG".
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This remains to be seen
terribleIVAN
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The physical side influences all the rest.
He can't play long, so adversaries are moving him across the court and sapping his stamina.
He reached the point of non recuperation for the next day.
At RG he gets 1 day off, thus he might maintain his level, although best of 5 is more tiring.
He will need a good draw, or he gets taken out by the quarters/semis.
terribleIVAN
Hall of Fame
In denial much ?
Where was this fitness against Murray ?
He practically gave up after the first set.
SLD76
G.O.A.T.
You don't have to respect my view. Respect the footage NBC has of Djoker vomiting on court. They showed it over and over during a changeover.
When Nads had a bit of a spit at the AO against Smycheck or whatever his name is,he was in a world of pain and torture.But when the opponent does it,it doesnt count,a bit like blisters and other things.
SLD76
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Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
You seem to simply repeat your OP instead of arguing against my points.
Instead of repeating mine, I'll argue directly against yours (but please do argue against my initial points as well):
1) the first two rounds of any major are automatic wins - sorry, but that's BS. Isner, Brands ring any bells? Rafa's almost been in as much trouble in the early rounds at RG as in the latter. You can't just give him 30 something automatic wins. He must have been in early trouble as well in the Masters.
2) "When you take into consideration that BO5 doesn't benefit Nadal now in his older age" - where did you come to that conclusion? We have zero evidence for this claim as of now. I tend to think the opposite is (still) the case, but I can't know with certainty yet.
well,djokovic was sick during the FO final but the VB fail to acknowledge the fact.But when Nads had a spit he was at deaths door doing the mighty warrior against some unknown.
SLD76
G.O.A.T.
Feather
Legend
Sbengte and I have a cordial reationship dating back to the pre Wimbledon 2012 days
by the way, why do you assume that I like to live in denial. I am just a Roger Federer fan and I am not invested emotionally in either Rafa or Djokovic.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
Stop saying "Nadal is a different player at RG".
I think Nadal needs to go on a gluten-free, GMO-free, paleo diet. His stamina isn't there.
Starting the year being fed bakery products by a pigeon doesn't help. Pigeons get by on breadcrumbs. ****** cannot get gainz on breadsticks and bagels.
I think Nadal needs to go on a gluten-free, GMO-free, paleo diet. His stamina isn't there.
Starting the year being fed bakery products by a pigeon doesn't help. Pigeons get by on breadcrumbs. ****** cannot get gainz on breadsticks and bagels.
manley0702
Rookie
To your original post: I'm not comparing all clay tournaments to RG. I'm comparing MC and Rome because they're similar clay courts. So your 27 loss claim is invalid and not worth addressing. Regarding how "close" he's come to losing, that too is irrelevant because losing one set in a BO3 is almost losing, but losing 1 set in a BO5 isn't.
1. Considering Nadal's amazing records at both Rome and MC, do you honestly think he would lose to a potential qualifier or borderline Top 100 guy on his best surface? No. And if he did, statistically, it wouldn't be expected to happen more than once so any adjustment in percentage would be minor.
2. It's blatantly clear to any non-homer that Nadal's stamina isn't what it used to be. He's getting tired in 2 sets against both Murray and Djokovic.
Chanwan
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His 223-27 record on clay in best of 3 vs. 90-1 in best of 5 may not give you a direct correlation between RG and MC and Rome. But it still gives a very significant picture: Rafa is a whole lot harder to beat in best of 5 on clay than in best of 3. Clay is still clay elsewhere (and only Madrid is significantly different because of the altitude).
As to your 1) who's to say? Perhaps he would, perhaps he wouldn't. But we cannot give him 30 wins, he never had. Both Rome and MC are 56 player fields, so it's no exactly as if he could only meet players qualifiers or 'borderline top-100 players' as you put it.
If they were like RG (which they aren't), Rafa could meet anyone from top-33 onwards. If they were as they are now (with no bye), he could meet everyone outside top-16 in his first match. Hardly easy-peacy all the time.
So you're picture of how easy these victories would be is flat out wrong I'm afraid. Especially considering how vulnerable he's been on clay in 2013-2014, which we're still counting.
As to 2) I see bits of that vs. Djoko, but I haven't seen it in best of 5 yet. The physical beast Djoko has in fact lost the physical battle vs. Rafa as recently as last year at RG. Underestimate Rafa's stamina on clay in best of 5 all you will - I'm just not buying it.
Sorry to disagree with your thread-idea and negate your evidence.
For the record, I still think Djoko will win the RG. I just don't see Rafa losing easily to Fognini or the likes there.
Exactly, and he was sucking wind even more in the 2nd set vs Novak, which was an identical(1 break + 2 break), relatively short, straight set beat down. But, because he'll be standing on the dirt at RG, he'll suddenly get increased stamina. Right...
Start da Game
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he has not lost a best of 5 match on clay in his life so far......(2009 never counted and never will......) rafa is an incredible animal at roland garros......an animal that does not accept defeat......
to those dreaming about a new champion, let me tell you something.......the new champion you are looking for needs to be ready for a 6 hour long final which will go all the way deep into the fifth set......the reality is nobody on tour can last that long under the afternoon sun except nadal.......good luck beating him.......
to those dreaming about a new champion, let me tell you something.......the new champion you are looking for needs to be ready for a 6 hour long final which will go all the way deep into the fifth set......the reality is nobody on tour can last that long under the afternoon sun except nadal.......good luck beating him.......
A lie in the very first sentence, coupled with absolute, boneheaded denial. I assure you, 2009 DOES count, so you'll just have to come to terms with it.
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Start da Game
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he should not have not shown up that day at all so that the world would have known he was injured and the match would not have counted......anyway it does not count in many experts' opinion......2009 RG should be removed from history books......
ROTLMAO!!!!! You're delirious. What "experts" are those? If my aunt had balls, she would've been my uncle. He DID show up, he came, he saw, and he got his *** kicked. Like the Aussies used to say, if you're injured, don't play, if you play, don't make excuses(that means YOU, Dull and Manny Paq).
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