Swiatek vs Kenin

[Fedinkum]

ATP forehand. We might be at the dawn of the WTAATP forehand era.

 

[Sudacafan]

It's probably too early to hype Swiatek. Remember Ostapenko? Majoli? Myskina? Stevens? She'll be a real deal if she'll back up RG title with another slam next year, when Osaka and Andreescu are good and healthy.

I have seen both runs. From what I’ve seen, I believe Swiatek is not an Ostapenko.
Soon we will prove this right, or wrong.

 

[Nostradamus]

what happened to Kenin ? i thought she was fast and smart player like Hingis ?

 

[Sudacafan]

what happened to Kenin ? i thought she was fast and smart player like Hingis ?

If you had followed closely the Iga run, you would not question yourself that.

 

[Crazy Finn]

It's probably too early to hype Swiatek. Remember Ostapenko? Majoli? Myskina? Stevens? She'll be a real deal if she'll back up RG title with another slam next year, when Osaka and Andreescu are good and healthy.

I have seen both runs. From what I’ve seen, I believe Swiatek is not an Ostapenko.
Soon we will prove this right, or wrong.

Ostapenko was a lot of fun, just blasting lines for the whole tournament. It was one of those days were you just can't miss, except she did it for 2 weeks. Almost no one can play like that consistently, which she didn't before and really hasn't since.

Swiatek seems like less lucky horseshoe and just good, smart tennis with excellent strokes and good movement. Time will tell if she can sustain that in a normal tour, a non-pandemic slam, but her skills aren't unsustainable.

 

[Sudacafan]

Ostapenko was a lot of fun, just blasting lines for the whole tournament. It was one of those days were you just can't miss, except she did it for 2 weeks. Almost no one can play like that consistently, which she didn't before and really hasn't since.

Swiatek seems like less lucky horseshoe and just good, smart tennis with excellent strokes and good movement. Time will tell if she can sustain that in a normal tour, a non-pandemic slam, but her skills aren't unsustainable.

Will have to wait. If so, RG in women’s tennis is the home of one time wonders.
In men, that is exactly the opposite, isn’t it?

 

[Fedinkum]

what happened to Kenin ? i thought she was fast and smart player like Hingis ?

She was out played. She had a strap on her thigh but she was out played.

 

[Nostradamus]

She was out played. She had a strap on her thigh but she was out played.

NO, i just found out that Kenin pulled the Abductor muscle and couldn't even move. I knew there was something

 

[WDC]

Ostapenko was a lot of fun, just blasting lines for the whole tournament. It was one of those days were you just can't miss, except she did it for 2 weeks. Almost no one can play like that consistently, which she didn't before and really hasn't since.

Swiatek seems like less lucky horseshoe and just good, smart tennis with excellent strokes and good movement. Time will tell if she can sustain that in a normal tour, a non-pandemic slam, but her skills aren't unsustainable.

That is the only question. Can Iga be physically durable enough to cope with a full WTA schedule. She hasn't done a full tour year yet.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I can't believe Iga is 19, she looks older.

 

[diggler]

I bet twenty bucks on Kenin as I was sure Swiatek would get nervous. Guess I was wrong.

Swiatek's heavy topspin is ideally suited to clay.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Spoken like a fool who thinks "girls" only applies to kids. Open your mind.

The casual use of "girls" as a synonym for young women is patronising.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

The casual use of "girls" as a synonym for young women is patronising.

Only because you choose to embrace feeling that way.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Isn't that trivial? Girls can be used in non-literal endearing sense.

You need to look at the origin of where these terms come from.

Why did the word for a female child become synonymous with an adult woman?

Yes, I know that people will say that "boy" is also used sometimes to mean an adult man - but in most contexts that would be considered insulting or demeaning.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Only because you choose to embrace feeling that way.

Objective reality exists.

How one feels about something doesn't alter that.

And opting to feel a certain way at the expense of reality is only going to create cognitive dissonance.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Objective reality exists.

How one feels about something doesn't alter that.

And opting to feel a certain way at the expense of reality is only going to create cognitive dissonance.

Words aren't objective, they are made and defined strictly by humans.

 

[zipplock]

Words aren't objective, they are made and defined strictly by humans.

Your logic will be wasted on an emoter.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Words aren't objective, they are made and defined strictly by humans.

The usage of words - and the ideas which they are conveying - are objective.

Are you seriously trying to argue that if someone, say, substituted the word "b*tch" for "woman", that there isn't an objective nature behind their use of the term?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

The usage of words - and the ideas which they are conveying - are objective.

Are you seriously trying to argue that if someone, say, substituted the word "b*tch" for "woman", that there isn't an objective nature behind their use of the term?

Analogical fallacy, and conflation of meanings.

Even normally negative words can be used positively in specific contexts btw. "Motherfuсker" is a common example.

 

[Born_to_slice]

You need to look at the origin of where these terms come from.

Why did the word for a female child become synonymous with an adult woman?

Yes, I know that people will say that "boy" is also used sometimes to mean adult man - but in most contexts that would be considered insulting or demeaning.

I don't think that person you responded to meant offense. It's clear from his/her writing.

Girl itself is a loose term, as it can be used for toddlers, little girls, teenage girls, girls in their twenties... But most of the women will blush and be be flattered if you call them girls, even some old women. It's really not a go-to word if one want to belittle females.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Your logic will be wasted on an emoter.

There's no reasoning with the self-righteous, indeed.

 

[La Pavoni]

If it was just the casual use of the term "girls" then I don't think I would have a problem. So much chat about women's tennis on here though is dreadful. There's the casual dismissal of it and then there is the huge amount of objectification and the value placed on the (non-playing) attributes of some of the players.
Even the dismissal of anyone not liking it is dripping in a dismissal and disdain for anyone who has a problem with it. And a further layer of bias.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Analogical fallacy, and conflation of meanings.

Even normally negative words can be used positively in specific contexts btw. "Motherfuсker" is a common example.

It's not a fallacy at all.

You seem to even be in agreement with me that there is an objective reality to the context which words convey.

Also, I'm highly impressed that your quoted example somehow got through the swear filter!

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Even the dismissal of anyone not liking it is dripping in a dismissal and disdain for anyone who has a problem with it. And a further layer of bias.

Just described SJWs lol. Horseshoe works as well as ever. Come join freethinkers.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

It's not a fallacy at all.

You seem to even be in agreement with me that there is an objective reality to the context which words convey.

Also, I'm highly impressed that your quoted example somehow got through the swear filter!

You don't get to redefine notions to your liking to win the argument lol.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

I don't think that person you responded to meant offense. It's clear from his/her writing.

The guy certainly didn't mean offence.

I feel a little bit bad about taking a somewhat abrasive tone, as he has since clarified that he is an older gent - and generational differences can be very pronounced.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

You don't get to redefine notions to your liking to win the argument lol.

What do you think we are actually "arguing'' about?

You seem to have backtracked on your initial premise that words and terminology only mean as much as one wants them to.

And you have since deferred to the notion that words convey objective reality.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Just described SJWs lol. Horseshoe works as well as ever. Come join freethinkers.

"Horseshoe theory" is a fictitious invention of reactionaries looking to preserve the status quo.

It's predicated upon taking an existing social or political norm and then defining polar positions from that. Whereas logic dictates that one should dismantle the norm and reconstruct it from scratch.

For example, look at something like slavery. Is someone who is fervently anti-slavery remotely similar to someone who is "pro-slavery"? Is someone who is against slavery an "extremist" because they are at the opposite end of that horseshoe?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

What do you think we are actually "arguing'' about?

You seem to have backtracked on your initial premise that words and terminology only mean as much as one wants them to.

And you have since deferred to the notion that words convey objective reality.

It's not practical to define words entirely whimsically humpty-dumpty-style. Common words aren't strictly defined either. There's a lot of nuance and leeway and change. Insisting that calling "legal adults" "girls" is by definition patronising is narrow-minded.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

Your logic will be wasted on an emoter.

Logic and emotion aren't dichotomous.

Logic is just a tool we use to manage our emotions.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

"Horseshoe theory" is a fictitious invention of reactionaries looking to preserve the status quo.

It's predicated upon taking an existing social or political norm and then defining polar positions from that. Whereas logic dictates that one should dismantle the norm and reconstruct it from scratch.

For example, look at something like slavery. Is someone who is fervently anti-slavery remotely similar to someone who is "pro-slavery"? Is someone who is against slavery an "extremist" because they are at the opposite end of that horseshoe?

Prison work is legal slavery btw. Someone who's against prisons would be extremist, yeah.

 

[Ronaldorro]

Swiatek is a joy to watch. Great strokes, great attitude, without making a single noise. What a contrast with the mayority of female players who scream like theyre on pain when they hit, and a come on after every shot.

 

[La Pavoni]

Just described SJWs lol. Horseshoe works as well as ever. Come join freethinkers.

I've received a bit of an education from you. I had to look up what an SJW was.
As it seems to be a term that originated from gamergate, then perhaps you may have proven my point better than yours? As I believe that wasn't exactly somewhere known for a progressive and healthy attitude towards women?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

I've received a bit of an education from you. I had to look up what an SJW was.
As it seems to be a term that originated from gamergate, then perhaps you may have proven my point better than yours? As I believe that wasn't exactly somewhere known for a progressive and healthy attitude towards women?

Manipulative fallacies/lies detected. Thanks bye.

 

[zipplock]

Logic and emotion aren't dichotomous.

Logic is just a tool we use to manage our emotions.

Agreed. You should try using that tool sometime.