Textreme Warrior 100 vs. Textreme 100P

[babar]

I've been playing with a Tex Warrior 100 lately. Great power, excellent feel, very dampened feel (easy on the arm), and good control. However, the open string pattern doesn't feel right to me.

I'm not new to open patterns, but this particular racquet feels like there isn't enough grip/grab on the ball from the stringbed. I'm using Cyclone 17g at 57lbs. I'm coming from a Graphene Radical MP strung with Hyper G 18g at 55lbs.

My buddy says I should try the 100P with the Hyper G 18g at 55 lbs and I should be fine. He thinks the reason I'm not getting the spin and grab I want is because the Warrior is too open of a 16x18. The 18x20 of the 100P will give me more stringbed area for the strings to grab the ball.

I thought more open pattern will grab the ball? Of course, the other option is to string the Warrior with Hyper G 18g and see how it works, but I'm afraid it will make it feel even more open and grab the ball even less.

Any thoughts, advice is appreciated. Thx.

 

[tata]

Mains aren't spaced out that much on the warrior towards the middle so it plays more dense slightly compared to other 16x18 frames.

 

[Traffic]

Try Cyclone or Hyper G at 50-53#. I think the recommendations to string that racquet is pretty high. But that's for nylon strings. With poly, you need to drop your tension.

 

[babar]

I feel the Warrior already has plenty of power. If I drop the tension, then won't I get too much extra power from the stringbed?

 

[CopolyX]

been there, by in large, i prefer a denser pattern also. sometimes a denser 16 x 19 (smaller heads) or a 16 x 20, again depending on the spacing can give me the precision/ control i like . 16 x 18 for some reason don't fit me ...but hope you can conform to the warrior, super stick and keep us posted

 

[ollinger]

Spent a fair amount of time with both the Tex Warrior and the 100P, don't know if it's just a matter of string pattern but the Warrior does have a tendency to launch the ball too much while the 100P is less likely to do this. There are plenty of other differences between these frames, so it's not clear that string pattern is the main issue here. Interestingly, I've found the White LS 100 to be a nice blend of qualities of these two frames (with leather grip and weight added at 3 and 9, intermediate 16x19 pattern), more pop than the 100P but much better control when swinging away compared with the Tex Warrior.

 

[n8dawg6]

the tex warrior is noticeably easier to generate spin with than the 100P. it is one of the spinnier frames i have used. only issue i have is that it has a lot of power to be tamed and the feel/touch is a little lacking.

 

[tata]

My experience with warrior launching has been odd. With the demo I never launched. It was a 3/8 grip and I play 1/2 (i am 5/8 by the textbook) The smaller grip made it much easier to manipulate the racquet face and close it to come over the ball and accelerate. When I made my purchase in a 1/2 size I noticed sometimes I launch when I was a tad late and couldn't come over on my follow through as much as I liked. The smaller sized demo was much easier to play that it felt like cheating. Not sure if you'd like to try a thinner grip and see how that goes. The extra head speed might afford you more spin and control.

 

[Mr_Zorg]

I recently purchased both the Tour 100p and the Warrior 100. For my game, Warrior 100 is the clear winner. Generating power and spin is so freaking easy sometimes I feel like a spectator, not a player. My go-to racquet (until now) was the 2015 Pure Drive and I'd say it has a bit more power than the Warrior. However, generating spin is easier with the Warrior (because it's so head light) which allows you to swing faster at the ball.

I strung it with Solinco Revolution 18g at 23-22kg and so far the two have been a match made in heaven. Both the string and the racquet are extremely spin friendly and just easy to play with.

 

[Servivor]

Any other noticeable differences between the warrior and 100p?

Not sure if i should get the 100p as a backup racquet. Currently using the textreme warrior here.

 

[Tommy Haas]

If you have problems with the Prince TT Warrior 100 and spin then the TT 100P would be even worse. What is your swing like? There are two ways to get spin with the 100P or any dense pattern low launch angle racquet. String tight with thin strings and swing fast or string low with thick strings and swing slow. If you did the opposite, the ball would either not even make it over the net or would fly off the stringbed before you get even the chance to impart any spin on the ball.

 

[Lavs]

Warrior is sweet racket

 

[Servivor]

I find the TT warrior to have a fairly high launch angle compared to my previous yonex duel G. Sometimes i find it a tad overpowered when my strokes are right. If i were to adjust my strokes any slower, the ball would not pass the net.

Any advice here? I'm a fan of the comfort Prince provide so i'm looking at either the tt 100p or even the new phantom as an alternative.

Using a volk cyclone btw.

If you have problems with the Prince TT Warrior 100 and spin then the TT 100P would be even worse. What is your swing like? There are two ways to get spin with the 100P or any dense pattern low launch angle racquet. String tight with thin strings and swing fast or string low with thick strings and swing slow. If you did the opposite, the ball would either not even make it over the net or would fly off the stringbed before you get even the chance to impart any spin on the ball.

 

[Servivor]

To make matters simple, what major changes (both good and bad) would one notice if he were to switch to a 100p from the warrior?

 

[Tommy Haas]

To make matters simple, what major changes (both good and bad) would one notice if he were to switch to a 100p from the warrior?

The bad: less spin and power if you aren't at least a 4.5 and could adjust.

The good: it'll force you to improve your strokes and get to 4.5 and up.

 

[FV_Br]

To make matters simple, what major changes (both good and bad) would one notice if he were to switch to a 100p from the warrior?

I am just trying to move from 100P to Warrior! I used to play with hybrids and multis on 100P at 45 lbs, but the lack of spin was really bad in some circunstances. Moved to the Warrior 100, multi at 48 lbs and the strings are moving too much at the point of losing control during longer rallys, besides the fact that is very hard to control forehands.

Yesterday tried the DR98, a much easier racquet to control and a serve machine, but the balls are not deep as with the warrior 100.

 

[nvr2old]

I have a 100p ad demoed the Warrior recently. For an 18x20 the 100p can generate quite a bit of spin as well as having excellent control for me. I got more spin with the Warrior and didn't notice a great loss of control for me. It was much easier to generate spin and kick on serves for me though which I did enjoy and for that reason am considering getting a Warrior. As a sidebar, which I have mentioned in the past, I found open patterns (16x15 Wilson Ultra 103) very hard to control when I returned to the game earl in the year. Went back to denser patterns but as my swing has returned to form I have found the pattern matters less to me. I currently have a 16x16 Prince 100 Pro ESP that I play with at times and truly like very much.

 

[WestboroChe]

Your friend's advice about denser string patters seems strange. The conventional wisdom is more open string patterns are more spin friendly. As such I was a little hesitant to buy a 100P because of the 18x20 pattern. However, because of its larger hoop and the string spacing, it seems even more open than the 16x18 string bed on my Wilson pro staff.

I find no problem generating spin with 100P but more importantly it helps me hit a flatter ball for serves and put away shots. Plus I like the soft feel and weight/balance. To me it has a classic feel similar to the Prince Original Graphite but without the additional weight which can make taking a full cut difficult late in the match.

 

[Tommy Haas]

Your friend's advice about denser string patters seems strange. The conventional wisdom is more open string patterns are more spin friendly. As such I was a little hesitant to buy a 100P because of the 18x20 pattern. However, because of its larger hoop and the string spacing, it seems even more open than the 16x18 string bed on my Wilson pro staff.

I find no problem generating spin with 100P but more importantly it helps me hit a flatter ball for serves and put away shots. Plus I like the soft feel and weight/balance. To me it has a classic feel similar to the Prince Original Graphite but without the additional weight which can make taking a full cut difficult late in the match.

What string setup are you using with your TT 100P? For me, spin wasn't as easy because it's a powerful frame for me, and I found that lower tensions using the fishnet and ball cupping effect allowed me to impart spin better, but because of the power, it was harder to control. I had to search high and low for a combination that allowed me to string at low tensions and still maintain control by taming the power of the frame. The string I settled on was Head FXP Tour 16. It's a hybrid multi-poly. Not a hybrid in the sense of the mains and strings being of a different type, but it's a multi made with many thin polyester strands. Most poly strings are solid extrusions like standard mono-core synthetic gut.

 

[WestboroChe]

What string setup are you using with your TT 100P? For me, spin wasn't as easy because it's a powerful frame for me, and I found that lower tensions using the fishnet and ball cupping effect allowed me to impart spin better, but because of the power, it was harder to control. I had to search high and low for a combination that allowed me to string at low tensions and still maintain control by taming the power of the frame. The string I settled on was Head FXP Tour 16. It's a hybrid multi-poly. Not a hybrid in the sense of the mains and strings being of a different type, but it's a multi made with many thin polyester strands. Most poly strings are solid extrusions like standard mono-core synthetic gut.

I only just switched to the 100P but I have already played with three different string set ups! I bought one used to test it out and it came with some nameless polyester on it which was plenty spin friendly but strung a little loose for my liking.

I then bought a new one from TW and had it strung with X-One 17 at 52 lbs. As the TW playtesters said, this was a very powerful string and made spin harder to access, but I was able to hit flat balls better than ever before.

I am now using a hybrid of X-One and Head Hawk at 52/50 lbs and after hitting balls around the house with it I think that this will play perfectly. I'll let you know after I take it out to play this weekend.

I'm surprised to hear you say its a powerful racquet. The playtesters and Prince both rate it as fairly low powered and control oriented and I agree with them. But maybe you hit a lot harder than I do!

As I said, previously I was using a ProStaff (strung with Gamma LiveWire at 58lbs) for the last 10 years and this racquet is exactly what I wanted which was something just a little lighter and more forgiving while maintaining a head light balance and a soft feel.

 

[graycrait]

Haven't tried the 100P but may eventually get one, my 18x20 Head and 18x20 Blade aren't doing it for me.

I do have a couple of Warrior 100s. I enjoy 18g poly at 53lbs in them, but even better for me is 16g Ashaway Kevlar mains x 17g Ashaway Zyex at 65/60 both prestretched. I just strung up the 2nd Warrior with 17g Ash Kev x 17g Ash Zyex 72/60 prestretched. Tension loss of Ashaway Kevlar is significant, esp after a couple of hrs hitting, then it settles in for a long ride.

 

[Servivor]

I strung my TW 100 with a volk cyclone @ 52 pounds. Excellent spin and bite. Angles and depth are good at the expense of a slower swing.

Sadly its difficult to keep the ball in play with a fast and complete swing of the Textreme Warrior 100.

 

[WestboroChe]

Haven't tried the 100P but may eventually get one, my 18x20 Head and 18x20 Blade aren't doing it for me.

I do have a couple of Warrior 100s. I enjoy 18g poly at 53lbs in them, but even better for me is 16g Ashaway Kevlar mains x 17g Ashaway Zyex at 65/60 both prestretched. I just strung up the 2nd Warrior with 17g Ash Kev x 17g Ash Zyex 72/60 prestretched. Tension loss of Ashaway Kevlar is significant, esp after a couple of hrs hitting, then it settles in for a long ride.

How much do people in this thread break strings? I have only broken a few in my life as I find the tension loss makes the racquet too uncontrollable long before a string breaks.

I strung my TW 100 with a volk cyclone @ 52 pounds. Excellent spin and bite. Angles and depth are good at the expense of a slower swing.

Sadly its difficult to keep the ball in play with a fast and complete swing of the Textreme Warrior 100.

Right, that's why there is the Tour frames. Years ago I had some tennis elbow (from racquetball) so I switched to a Prince More Precision OS because it was arm friendly but no matter how I strung it I could never control the ball with that frame.

 

[ollinger]

Sadly its difficult to keep the ball in play with a fast and complete swing of the Textreme Warrior 100.

my experience as well. Not an issue with the 100P

 

[ollinger]

after hitting balls around the house with it I think that this will play perfectly

what part of the house are you hitting balls around in? does anyone else live there? how much does it tell you about on-court expectations?

 

[WestboroChe]

what part of the house are you hitting balls around in? does anyone else live there? how much does it tell you about on-court expectations?

Ha Ha! No, I was just bouncing it around and hitting a few balls across the lawn for the dog to chase. I have found that I can get a pretty decent feel for how the string will play just based on this.