dr325i
G.O.A.T.
I assume Federer has 12 "real" GS then since first 8-9 he won against jokers like Safin, Phillapousis, Baghdadis, Hewitt two bagels, Gonzales, and so on?
The big 3 should probably not play the US open or RG
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mxmx
Hall of Fame
@SonnyT
I feel team sports work differently, at least to some extent.
Teams sometimes do well even when they have someone red carded. In teams, there is a level of buffer that will not apply as much as let's say in tennis losing 5 out of the top 10 for the US open. The difference to clay courters when Nadal is not playing is far greater than let's say Barca is without Messi. Messi is great, but he is only about let's say 20% of the team whereas Nadal is 70% the French open. Nadal/Federer not playing is far worse than 1 of 11 players in a team not playing imo.
I feel team sports work differently, at least to some extent.
Teams sometimes do well even when they have someone red carded. In teams, there is a level of buffer that will not apply as much as let's say in tennis losing 5 out of the top 10 for the US open. The difference to clay courters when Nadal is not playing is far greater than let's say Barca is without Messi. Messi is great, but he is only about let's say 20% of the team whereas Nadal is 70% the French open. Nadal/Federer not playing is far worse than 1 of 11 players in a team not playing imo.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Now don't start that again...
125downthemiddle
Banned
You've also said about 25 times there is no such thing as a tainted or asterisked slam.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
the nadal should not play
... at all
ever again
ever again
B. S.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Looks like the US Open is going to have a 'Big 1'.
Fiero425
Legend
The same could be said about all players at a tourney or 4 over their careers! There are top heavy draws, upsets, and just plain luck allowing some titles, even majors to be "vulture'd!" Federer had it the easiest IMO before Nadal and Nole came along with Djokpvic having it the toughest trying to overcome the actual talent of Fedal and their legend! I'll give Nole this one major! He deserves a break! It had to happen sooner or later with the aging of all of them!
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Tbh I find the worst aspect to be the fact that the Big 3/2/1 is still an actual thing. It's not like they're playing close to their best ever tennis.The same could be said about all players at a tourney or 4 over their careers! There are top heavy draws, upsets, and just plain luck allowing some titles, even majors to be "vulture'd!" Federer had it the easiest IMO before Nadal and Nole came along with Djokpvic having it the toughest trying to overcome the actual talent of Fedal and their legend! I'll give Nole this one major! He deserves a break! It had to happen sooner or later with the aging of all of them!
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
Agreed! It shows that Djokovic only cares about the number. There is more to greatness than a number. Honor > numbers.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Only on TTW are two former #1 ranked players with 5 slams between them deemed "jokers."
Fiero425
Legend
I agree it's sorta sad! It's like when the WTA allows Serena to come and go as she pleases, but still dominates upon her return! The men have the ability to beat any of the "Big 3," but it's obviously a mental thing since Nole's been the only real vulnerable player of the 3 succumbing to the onslaught of the NG'rs! This is unprecedented in Open tennis that 3 players pretty much "own" the tour like no other in the past! We were so starved to witness greatness and history, we anointed Sampras as the GOAT and he never even played a FO final! How times have changed in just the last 4-6 years where Nole won majors in bunches and has almost overtaken Fedal! Avoiding injury, I can't see anyone stopping him from achieving that top mark along with the others on his resume!
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Let the tournaments begin!
Fiero425
Legend
Only on TTW are two former #1 ranked players with 5 slams between them deemed "jokers."
Marat still a hot MF'r! ;-)
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Agassi also has multiple slams, however, Agassi in 2005 final was a very different opponent than a few years prior to that...Only on TTW are two former #1 ranked players with 5 slams between them deemed "jokers."
Federer and Nadal haven't stopped Djokovic at majors since '12 and '14, respectively. A long, long time ago!
When Djokovic was stopped at majors in the last six years, it certainly wasn't by Federer or Nadal!
Why the heck should Novak not play just because Roger, who's out because of injury BTW, and Rafa are not there? If Novak picks injury in NY and can't play RG, is that a reason for Rafa to skip this year's RG?
When Djokovic was stopped at majors in the last six years, it certainly wasn't by Federer or Nadal!
Why the heck should Novak not play just because Roger, who's out because of injury BTW, and Rafa are not there? If Novak picks injury in NY and can't play RG, is that a reason for Rafa to skip this year's RG?
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Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
There's no way to compare this situation with any other, it's not like Fed won those Slams when Djokovic and Nadal were both healthy but sitting out due to a global situation that saw at least one Slam canceled...
mxmx
Hall of Fame
Well...even though for selfish reasons some players shouldn't play, I'm sure some players are taking advantage of the virus and making it their excuse out of sheer bitterness.
Perhaps they don't really feel they can win it so it becomes easy to say they're not playing because of the virus. It's sometimes very bitter and very political. Tbh. I really don't believe that their chance of infection is that much greater if they handle it correctly.
Poor Serena if she wins this one.
Perhaps they don't really feel they can win it so it becomes easy to say they're not playing because of the virus. It's sometimes very bitter and very political. Tbh. I really don't believe that their chance of infection is that much greater if they handle it correctly.
Poor Serena if she wins this one.
Breakpointerer
Legend
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Federer is not “healthy sitting out...”
We have seen what happens when Djokovic is out, Federer racks up the slam count. Novaks back and Federer is done. So, should the last AO be valid for Federer?
There are much much more dangerous players at this USO than Federer - Thiem, Medvedev, Tsitsi, Barettinni, etc.
Such hypocrisy! When Djokovic had the elbow injury, and started losing to the likes of Chung, Querrey and Istomin in opening rounds, did Federer and Nadal consider not playing majors?
Now Federer's injured and not playing, all of sudden Djokovic should consider the same! Nadal's entitled to make his own decision, but every other player is entitled to the same right!
Now Federer's injured and not playing, all of sudden Djokovic should consider the same! Nadal's entitled to make his own decision, but every other player is entitled to the same right!
Fiero425
Legend
There will always be a terrible "double standard" and a sense of entitlement to be a hypocrite when it comes to Fedal! It's unfortunate, but that's where the term fan shows it's true meaning as "fanaticism" in some of us!
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Agree to disagree.
Graf1stClass
Professional
What a foolish point... Graf was injured worse than Seles, and for longer. She was suffering two scandals during the period, and she was receiving death threat letters for what happened to Seles...Graf tried to reach out to Seles and could not as Seles was still in a psychological slump... absolutely no excuse to not play your hardest when nothing is further wrong with you. If you choose not to, so be it.
As Jana said-- "Now she has a good chance to prove to us that she is mentally strong on the court but also that she is mentally strong off the court. I do wish that she will be able to do that."
....
The asterisks are on SELES
NOT Steffi.
mxmx
Hall of Fame
Based on your name, you are a Graf fan and perhaps more biased than I could be. I'm more of a Hingis fan and even Capriati. Seles will make my top 5 list though. Great player as Graf was, she won't make my list.
She benifitted more than she was hampered. Anyone could see that. Not her fault, but still.
mxmx
Hall of Fame
It's only affecting her resume somewhat. But we are talking one tournament here regarding this US open. Graf would probably still have a bigger asterisk than let's say Djoko winning this one. Although there may be more at stake for him trying to goat Federer.
Graf1stClass
Professional
Ah yes, a world class retort from someone who's obviously followed generic "asterisk" talking points since his join date. Don't talk about what you weren't around for.
