babolat141
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What are some of the main keys to hitting the biggest forehand you can put controlling it. Like what are The main keys to hitting the big forehand mostly on an open or semi open stance forehand. Thanks in Advance
The Big Forehand
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Bungalo Bill
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1. You're balance.
2. You setting up on time or within time.
3. Your angular momentum directed into the ball.
4. Your swing speed.
5. Your swing path angle.
6. Your followthrough.
7. Your ability to relax and remain fluid throughout the stroke.
8. Clean contact.
9. Excellent timing.
10. A strong use of your legs.
11. Your ability to spin the ball fast from your stroke
35ft6
Legend
I've noticed that the guys with really big forehands usually have a very closed racket face as they approach the ball. I've tried it and it does allow you to get extra oomph into the shot, it's the pronation I think, but it's too late for me to make it a regular part of my forehand. And I'm not saying you HAVE to do it to have a big forehand.
I cannot agree with this enough. I cannot believe how many people I see trying to hit big by swinging hard only to push the ball with their shoulders into the bottom of the net.
Bungalo Bill
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Show me one, otherwise this is misleading.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=_VVCiegIGQY&feature=related
Is this what you are talking about?
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=QvZ7prb43Lk&feature=related
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=QvZ7prb43Lk&feature=related
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=y8AJYfkJ4hc&feature=related
Here is a guy with one of the biggest forehands in the world. Is this "very closed"????
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=L5l6NiQ1Upg&feature=related
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=EaUH9Bevnew
I have seen countless film and see it on occasion, in fact a "very closed" racquet I would never even talk about on this site or to anyone for that matter unless they were pro and they mentioned it to me first. It would be detrimental for nearly every player on this board to even think about or concentrate on for power. There are other things far more important to that will help in the power department.
Most players actually have a slightly closed racquet face but it is nothing to write home to Mom on.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=_VVCiegIGQY&NR=1
How about this??????
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35ft6
Legend
Huh? You ask for one and you post pics of Blake, who is one. The 4th and 5th pics on the top row is what I'm talking about. Besides him, there's...
Federer.
Nadal.
And Novak Djokovic.
And many many more. Actually, can't think of a top 50 player who doesn't close his racket as it approaches the ball (maybe Murray?). Yeah, Agassi came to mind as somebody who didn't close his head. Meh. Nothing to get angry about, BB.
edit: Nope, murray does it.
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35ft6
Legend
Kind of funny. Look at the two sentences I enlarged, and it seems to me that as you looked for stuff to prove me wrong, you realized I had a point. Double meh. Hahaha.
Bagumbawalla
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assuming you already have an excellent, consistant, medium-paced forehand, the key to "bumping it up" to an agressive "big" forehand, is fluidity.
I notice that this has been mentioned before, but I think it is the most important key because it encompases many ideas in one word.
Unfortunately, people with otherwise excellent strokes are likely to fall apart when they try to WALLOP the ball and go for the big shot.
What they do is deviate from their normal stroke where they have good balance, timing, weight transfer, and so on, and they begin to "muscle" the ball "pull" the ball, lose their balance, forget about timing...
Basically, the big foerhand (or backhand) should be no different from their normal stroke-- simply faster/more "explosive"-- the basic path of the racket through the ball must be the same (with, perhaps, some compensation for the faster pace).
I notice that this has been mentioned before, but I think it is the most important key because it encompases many ideas in one word.
Unfortunately, people with otherwise excellent strokes are likely to fall apart when they try to WALLOP the ball and go for the big shot.
What they do is deviate from their normal stroke where they have good balance, timing, weight transfer, and so on, and they begin to "muscle" the ball "pull" the ball, lose their balance, forget about timing...
Basically, the big foerhand (or backhand) should be no different from their normal stroke-- simply faster/more "explosive"-- the basic path of the racket through the ball must be the same (with, perhaps, some compensation for the faster pace).
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
Read below.
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Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
No, you are not wrong. You are just stating something that is meaningless. Read below.
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Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
Top players? Why stop there? Let's look at the Juniors.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=mknj__sIrFo&feature=related
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=xpYLSbZdYik&feature=related
I see this all the time. It can be different on higher balls and lower balls.
High ball: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=b8f2dPzVWnU
Lower ball: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kmhvKafCYsk&feature=related
Lower ball: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=y8AJYfkJ4hc&feature=related
High ball: http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=LTEsGt3gVu8&NR=1
However, related to the above bolded statement, exactly!!!!!!!!!!! Even those that do not have a big forehand can close their racquet face mroe dpedning on the shot, the grip, the swing path, and what the player is trying to do.
So what does this have to do with power??!!
Wow, there are far more important things to bring out then your "very closed" racquet face comment for a player to hit for power. Big and little forehands can have a "very closed" racquet face.
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35ft6
Legend
That goes for any and all of the 11 things you listed off. The top 50 pros have among the biggest forehands in the world. If they don't have "a big forehand" in your opinion, it's only in comparison to more massive forehands on the tour belonging to the most elite of the elite. And did you notice this sentence from my OP?
BB, up the meds. You're taking this internet stuff way too seriously. The proof is its commonality as an element in the modern pro forehand. It allows more racket head speed.
On more time in case you chose to overlook it again:
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Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
lol, yeah, sure, okay. I will up the meds, but first I want to know what drugs you are on to make such an insightful statement that you now know is meaningless.
Briinging a closed racquet face forward is a function of the grip, the swing path, and what the player is trying to do.
It can happen on low balls and high balls. It happens with big forehands and not so big forehands. It can happen with amateur players, junior players, and professional players.
Big forehand players hit with a more open face and a more closed face depending on the ball they are hitting and what they are trying to do.
There are more important things relating to hitting for power then your insightful stroke analysis ability. lol
35ft6
Legend
Nah, it's not meaningless. It's a relatively new element to stroke mechanics. Probably only people who never played with wood have it.
This goes for everything, no?
It wasn't a stroke analysis, I was bringing up it's an element of the biggest forehands on tour right now. Fed and Nadal being the clearest examples.
Also, BB, the ignore function is your friend. Seriously, that and upping your meds should disallow repeats of such inexplicably hostile interactions between us two in the future.
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
Hmmmm, should I or shouldn't I? Ahhh, I made my point, why pour salt in a wound.
Well, as you can see, it is an element of the smallest forehands in the world. What does it have to do with POWER? I am still trying to understand this statement you made.
Even though you felt a little hurt by the eivdence I showed and why your statement is unsupported and disconnected, I am still curious (which is the basis of my orginal comment) as to why?
Also, BB, the ignore function is your friend. Seriously, that and upping your meds should disallow repeats of such inexplicably hostile interactions between us two in the future.
lol,
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35ft6
Legend
What point was that?
Same with any other element, no? Like a good shoulder turn can result in a weak forehand, right?
Allows more racket head speed = more power.
Again, it's a relatively new development. Even in the 80's and early 90's, it was more common for guys to have the racket face neither really closed or open, more perpendicular to the net with a laid back wrist as they swung towards the ball. Kind of like Agassi. It has a lot to do with how players today generate angular momentum/power as opposed to the more level swing paths you saw in the past. With a smaller head, like you see with wood, you want a bigger hitting zone/flatter swing path. I even do this when I play with wood, it's an automatic adjustment you make. With bigger heads, you have more margin for error to have a more angular swing, and the closed racket is part of this evolution.
Dude, I'm not hurt at all. You and a few other guys on here never fail to amaze me though with how offended you can become over trivial matters.
Closed racket face = greater racket head speed.
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babolat141
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hey on my forehand when im swinging foward before i hit the ball should i have a loose wrist so i pull the racket arond and make it almost like a whip?
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
Keep it elastic. Having the wrist too loose may jeaporidize your racquet head control. Having it too firm, my jeopordize some extra power you might gain.
The balance between the two depends on your ability to control the racquet head and hit a consistent forehand. Adjust accordingly.
babolat141
Rookie
when i let my wrist loose im getting a little to much spin than i want so naow what do i do. should i keep the wrist a little bit furmer?
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
Perhaps. When you mentioned "spin" that can put a different twist on my recommendation.
Firming up your grip on the handle will take the elasticity out of your wrist. It will "firm" it up. However, I a not confident with the "spin" issue that I am providing the right remedy.
Having a problem with extra spin could be in other areas like your balance, your swing path, etc...
babolat141
Rookie
I think its my swing path because now my wrist is dropping before i swing so i have to really come up behind the ball now thanks for the help by the way.
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
Then you will have to work on bringing the racquet a foot below the ball and swinging through the ball. A foot may not be that much to you. So measure it.
Isn't everyone overlooking somethiing here.
The harder you hit the ball flat, the more accurate you must be to have the ball stay in the court. So hitting a consistent big FH means you must be hitting with topspin. The skill required to hit big is to have both topsin and pace combined which results in a heavy ball. And learning to hit this way is not trivial.
Much better to focus on consistency with placement and variety to beat your opponents.
JMHO
The harder you hit the ball flat, the more accurate you must be to have the ball stay in the court. So hitting a consistent big FH means you must be hitting with topspin. The skill required to hit big is to have both topsin and pace combined which results in a heavy ball. And learning to hit this way is not trivial.
Much better to focus on consistency with placement and variety to beat your opponents.
JMHO
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