Holmes
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His imaginary friend. I just go with it now.
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The Holy Trinity of the 4 slams...
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BauerAlmeida
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I love how this implies facing Federer is easier than Wawrinka on grass lol.
Nadal was 25, 28 and 29 in those years. He played all those years (he missed 2016 but Djokovic didn't win) and was healthy. I love how the argument is he didn't play Nadal, but if he had, the argument would be: "Nadal was crap in 2015, it doesn't count". Or how we are supposed to believe Djokovic was lucky Tsonga took out Federer in 2011, but now that he faced Federer he is lucky that he avoid Murray...who lost to Federer.
Or how this ignores that he beat the player that beat Murray in both 2014 and 2015, aside from obviously beating FEDERER in those years. Or that Wawrinka on grass would hardly be that much trouble given he lost to Gasquet in one of those years.
He was posting under "Herald" before he got banned. Now he's back with another account: "Holmes"
2014/2015 Federer more difficult than 2003/2004/2009 Roddick? Nah.
Is 2023 RG enough to put Djokovic above Lendl and Kuerten? I’m not sure. Alcaraz played well for 2 sets then basically retired with cramps - W/O. Final was another auto win/freebie vs Ruud. Not all slams are ranked the same. In fact, I’d rank his 2012/2013 RG runs higher.
That's because they think Federer 2014/2015 is better than Federer 2003/2004/2009. Djokovic face a better version of Federer than Roddick ever did at Wimbledon
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MichaelNadal
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Silentchimera
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That guy just spews misinformation/disinformation 24/7.
duaneeo
Legend
Nole lost to him at the Australian Open, lost to him at Roland Garros, and lost to him at the US Open. Clearly it became easier for Nole to face Federer rather than Stan at any slam.
But I wasn't implying anything....simply stating a fact. Nole won 3 Wimbledon titles from 2011-2015, and the only top contemporary he faced was Nadal in 2011...leaving a player who won his first Wimbledon WAY back in 2003 as his only rival.
Cupcake Wimbledon draws have been the norm for Nole his entire career.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
2018: Sandgren, Zeballos, Edmund, Khachanov, Nishikori, Old-dal, Anderson.
2019: Kohlschreiber, Kudla, Hurkacz, Humbert, Goffin, Agut, Old-derer.
2021: Draper, Anderson, Kudla, Garin, Fucsovics, Shapovalov, Berrettini.
2022: Kwon, Kokkinakis, Kecmanovic, Van Rijthoven, Sinner, Norrie, Kyrgios.
2022 in particular reads like a Challenger draw lol. Outside of Sinner
Silentchimera
Semi-Pro
2021 is about the same lol. Berrettini was the toughest guy in the draw. For those that didn’t know/remember, Federer beat Berrettini 61 62 62 when they played in R16 at 2017 W. When they shook hands Berrettini said to Old Rog: “Thanks for the tennis lesson. How much do I owe you?”
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And we’re putting this level with W07/08 by reducing goat analysis to a counting exercise.
Silentchimera
Semi-Pro
As I said in the greatness thread, statistics are the opposite of great if there is no context to go with them lol. They are insignificant.
BauerAlmeida
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This ignores 2018 where he beat Nadal too.
And Wawrinka was tougher on the other 3 slams but not at Wimbledon.
Absolutely. I wouldn’t even rank 2023 AO/RG ahead of wins like Hamburg 07, IW 11, Cincy 12. Quality masters titles over prime big 3. Casper Ruud or Tsitsipas in a slam final is an auto win.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Very sad
duaneeo
Legend
So what. Djokovic was the more superior player than Stan at the USO and lost to him, the more superior player at RG and lost to him, and the more superior player at the AO (especially) and lost to him. Stan had gotten into his head at the slams, and he would've been just as vulnerable against him at Wimbledon had they met...which they nearly did in 2014 and 2015. I'll bet all Nole fans breathed a HUGE sign of relief when he was taken out.
Stan gave Federer a good match in 2014 and matches up better vs djokovic than he did old fed. He would’ve been infinitely better competition than Gasquet at least in 2015, Djokovic was fortunate to have a bye in that semi final. Who knows, if he has to go to war with Stan fed might have had a slightly better chance in the final. I think Djokovic still wins but would get more credit for that potential SF/F.
BauerAlmeida
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Of course it is preferable to face Gasquet than Wawrinka. But the fact Wawrinka lost to Gasquet in the first place shows you he's not a monster at Wimbledon. And while Gasquet is indeed an easier rival, Federer is not.
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