Trying Serve Doc's "Pro Grip" on serve. But grip keeps shifting back to Continental.

Serve Doc

Rookie
At contact, the wrist should be in a roughly neutral position. Or perhaps slightly extended. But wrist should not be beyond neutral at contact.
It appears that Nishikori overly flexes his wrist beyond neutral. And does not properly employ pronation and Internal Shoulder Rotation.

As for the grip, I think you are saying Nishikori was not using a Pro Grip and that led to the wrist issues.
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Exactly right. The wrist shouldn't be jamming and with the better grip pronation /forearm rotation wouldn't be obstructed
 

nyta2

Hall of Fame
Years ago I made the recommendation working with Kei to adjust his grip because he was having chronic wrist problems from serving. He did better but it didn't stick. Experienced pros are the most difficult to adjust because they are so accustomed to their habits and ways even when it's detrimental to their body. Delicate working with pros at the highest level for several reasons.
i know it's difficult for me to decide to make make slight changes which require some time breaking through muscle memory (often years of myelin layers!), because i know it will mean i will possibly losing more points in an "important" rec match "next week"... in exchange for winning more points in rec matches "6-12mos from now"...
how much harder would it be to make that decision if losing those points as an ex-top10-pro means possilby losing tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars...
 

nyta2

Hall of Fame
At contact, the wrist should be in a roughly neutral position. Or perhaps slightly extended. But wrist should not be beyond neutral at contact.
It appears that Nishikori overly flexes his wrist beyond neutral. And does not properly employ pronation and Internal Shoulder Rotation.

As for the grip, I think you are saying Nishikori was not using a Pro Grip and that led to the wrist issues.
:unsure:

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your last couple posts just helped me realize why my finish is sometimes face down vs. edge down! thx!
 

Serve Doc

Rookie
Sebastian Korda was an interesting challenge to be involved with. Petr would often ask for my input as he was primary coach and I didn't always agree with what he was trying to develop. It was his son, he was a former #2 in the world and it was very delicate to steer him in a better direction on development of his serve. You can easily get intimidated by those credentials and only hope to get your point across without offending anyone who may see it differently. Kinda like the banter we exchange on these boards:p
 

Serve Doc

Rookie
One of the most generous, nicest guy who I've been friends with since he was a teenager and graciously allowed me to use his footage in Sonic Serve and other productions over the years, Max Mirnyi "The Beast" was diagnosed with a malignant Brain tumor months ago and had surgery in Minsk to remove and now is recuperating in Bradenton. Truly a great man and wish him all the best. Keep him in your thoughts please
 

nyta2

Hall of Fame
Sebastian Korda was an interesting challenge to be involved with. Petr would often ask for my input as he was primary coach and I didn't always agree with what he was trying to develop. It was his son, he was a former #2 in the world and it was very delicate to steer him in a better direction on development of his serve. You can easily get intimidated by those credentials and only hope to get your point across without offending anyone who may see it differently. Kinda like the banter we exchange on these boards:p
in this scenario, what's your strategy for providing meaningful feedback? i imagine you'd have to go deep into the pros & cons of both approaches?
i know when i'm teaching my hs team, i need to demo everything i'm telling them (to prove i can execute the thing i'm telling them to do)... but with a pro that's say, serving at 125mph+ i'm guessing you're not able to "prove" your model?
do you end up going to slow mo vids or similar?
do you go deep into biomechanics?
etc...
 

Serve Doc

Rookie
in this scenario, what's your strategy for providing meaningful feedback? i imagine you'd have to go deep into the pros & cons of both approaches?
i know when i'm teaching my hs team, i need to demo everything i'm telling them (to prove i can execute the thing i'm telling them to do)... but with a pro that's say, serving at 125mph+ i'm guessing you're not able to "prove" your model?
do you end up going to slow mo vids or similar?
do you go deep into biomechanics?
etc...
Depends on the player and I'm assuming they confidently come to me for guidance for a reason. But, it's anything but complicated talk but rather steer them to experience the feeling they need to achieve growth in technique. Most of it is getting them a clearer understanding of the concepts involved and letting mechanics to fall in place with adjusted objectives.
 
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