Tsitsipas: A pattern of gamesmanship and bad behavior

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Tennis_Hands

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Beckerserve said:
Nadal has said Tsitsipas blatantly cheats on line calls. Did he not say he was glad he didnt play him in juniors? Ouch lol
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The Nadal said that someone else cheats?

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EllieK

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I like his game style, but yes he is a jerk. IMO he needs to separate from his father. That relationship on both sides appears to be toxic. Dad obviously is frequently upset with his son and is constantly chattering to him during the match. You can see Stefanos getting angry with Apostalos and vice versa. I’m hoping that Tsitsipas will settle down with age. Medvedev is no angel either
 
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phl92

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I like his gamestyle but his behavior on court and even off court sometimes is childish and I consider him a spoiled kid. The same can be said to Zverev and Medvedev imho. What Nadal was doing and Djokovic is still doing is for me different. It s a out of control ego behavior... Djokovic is selling his own mama to get to this 20 titles... even though in the after press conference he is trying to convince all with his spiritual pseudo psychology
 
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tonylg

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loveforty said:
Well at least his opponent gets timeout at the same time. So how is it gamesmanship?
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I didn't see the Tsitsipas one, but generally the MTO abusers motive is to manufacture a break for the opponent more than themselves. Ever been on a roll, can't miss and then stopped, cooled down, maybe lost concentration and come back on a completely different level?

Sure, the person who is losing (because they NEVER take an MTO when winning) might come back fresher, but the real motive is to break the rhythm of the person who is winning and they are generally taken before return games to try and get a break.

That is the very definition of gamesmanship. No, it's just cheating.
 
Mr.Lob

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Anybody who hits his father with a tennis racquet, then ignores his pain.... is an a-hole and not to be trusted.
 
Meles

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jm1980 said:
Tsitsipas took yet another suspicious MTO today, just one more example in an well established pattern of gamesmanship and bad on-court behavior.

Quite remarkable for someone to have an extensive "resume" at only 22. He's worse than Djokovic or Nadal ever were in this regard, yet some posters here who take/took issue with Djokodal doing this (cough @Tennis_Hands, tonylg, etc. cough) are oddly silent. what gives?
  • Regularly (ab)uses tactical MTOs, long bathroom breaks (took a 5+ minute break after losing the 4th at the USO against Coric); stalls by going to his bench to change racquets, shoes, etc.
  • Clearly attempts to distract his opponent by tapping his racquet on the court mid rally (video below)
  • Verbally abuses his opponents (e.g.: calling Medvedev "bulls*** Russian")
  • Receives illegal coaching from his father Apostolos on a regular basis (eg: Coric USO match); that's when Apostolos doesn't directly interfere like he did against Moutet (video below)
  • Has anger issues on court (video below)
Bulls*** Russian incident:

Tapping the racquet mid-rally against Shapovalov:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1110907976481759232

Anger issues:


Apostolos interfering in the match

Why does he get a pass from the Gamesmanship Police?
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LOL. Joe Cavitch took a 10 minute break to win the 2020 Australian open.:sneaky:
 
Meles

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TennisFan3 said:
Djokovic as a sportsman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Titspas

Djokovic NEVER cheats. Sure, he may get angry but does NOT do gamesmanship. EVER.
Novak is ALSO the best loser. He hugs and congratulates his opponents.
Most of all, Novak is a GOOD human being with compassion and empathy in LOADS.

Titspas is NONE of these.
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Lol. Fans disagree
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1311882179450941440
Novak would sell off one of his children for that ovation.:sneaky:
 
Sudacafan

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TennisFan3 said:
Djokovic as a sportsman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Titspas

Djokovic NEVER cheats. Sure, he may get angry but does NOT do gamesmanship. EVER.
Novak is ALSO the best loser. He hugs and congratulates his opponents.
Most of all, Novak is a GOOD human being with compassion and empathy in LOADS.

Titspas is NONE of these.
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Joe Kovich is a grate human bean!
 
Sudacafan

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EllieK said:
I like his game style, but yes he is a jerk. IMO he needs to separate from his father. That relationship on both sides appears to be toxic. Dad obviously is frequently upset with his son and is constantly chattering to him during the match. You can see Stefanos getting angry with Apostalos and vice versa. I’m hoping that Tsitsipas will settle down with age. Medvedev is no angel either
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Stafanos should perform some apostasy from Apastolas.
Shiitsipus philosophy is phoney wisdom.
 
TennisFan3

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Meles said:
Lol. Fans disagree
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1311882179450941440
Novak would sell off one of his children for that ovation.:sneaky:
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Are you serious?

Novak has gotten 100x LOUDER ovation a THOUSAND times.
You are talking about a 17 slam champion, 36 master titles champion.
He is revered around the world. And worshipped.

Novak's popularity and admiration >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tsitsipas's low popularity.
 
junior74

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jm1980 said:
Sportspeople, specially those at the very top of their games, often aren't good role models
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That sounds about right. Those with the best behaviour often lack killer instinct. Imagine Dimitrov with Novak's instincts. Or Berdych - holy cow, he would have been a monster!
 
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Tennis_Hands

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junior74 said:
Fedr has pretty good instincts. He has issues against Djokovic - too many traumas and a very difficult match-up for his game.

But Djokovic certainly has a rare winner's instinct.
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To be raising to the top when there is unprecedented lack of younger ATGs is indeed a rare instinct. It is almost as if he initiated his own existence.

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I meant spiritual existence.

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junior74

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tonylg said:
And in the minds of his fans, a free pass to behave as badly as he likes.
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Agree to some extent. Many of his fans don't approve of his behaviour. But defending his behaviour is very strange, I think. I won't say too much, because suddenly it's the world against Serbia and I think that stuff is boring and false.
 
weakera

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EllieK said:
I like his game style, but yes he is a jerk. IMO he needs to separate from his father. That relationship on both sides appears to be toxic. Dad obviously is frequently upset with his son and is constantly chattering to him during the match. You can see Stefanos getting angry with Apostalos and vice versa. I’m hoping that Tsitsipas will settle down with age. Medvedev is no angel either
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Devil's advocate take here but there's something refreshing about keeping things in the family and not bringing in a ringer/legend coach, IMO, especially for a young player who could probably have his pick of the litter among retired players who want to coach. Even though they seem somewhat insane, I think it's nice that Tsitsipas is very close with his Dad.
 
Krish0608

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tennisbuck said:
I don’t think this goes unnoticed at all. Does the guy have any fans here?
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I am a fan. Have been ever since AO 2019. He's got so much potential and is capable of playing amazing all-court tennis at a high level. Will not condone his trashy gamesmanship though. I really don't care much for the "bullsheet Russian" thing. Medvedev is a drama queen himself. But the racquet tapping against Shapo was downright disgusting and he is rightfully called out on that. But he is quite young and he will mature as a person. He already is maturing, I believe. And look at Rafa, Novak and Federer when they were young. Federer was a foul mouthed teenager with temper issues. Nadal was known for his perfectly timed fake MTOs whenever his opponent is on a roll. Djokovic had MTO issues as well and came across as arrogant. With experience they all matured. So will Tsitsipas, I hope and believe. He might not be the most socially comfortable among his peers. He is quirky, awkward and somewhat socially clumsy. But he's a fine lad and will be a GS champion in due time.
 
weakera

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Krish0608 said:
I am a fan. Have been ever since AO 2019. He's got so much potential and is capable of playing amazing all-court tennis at a high level. Will not condone his trashy gamesmanship though. I really don't care much for the "bullsheet Russian" thing. Medvedev is a drama queen himself. But the racquet tapping against Shapo was downright disgusting and he is rightfully called out on that. But he is quite young and he will mature as a person. He already is maturing, I believe. And look at Rafa, Novak and Federer when they were young. Federer was a foul mouthed teenager with temper issues. Nadal was known for his perfectly timed fake MTOs whenever his opponent is on a roll. Djokovic had MTO issues as well and came across as arrogant. With experience they all matured. So will Tsitsipas, I hope and believe. He might not be the most socially comfortable among his peers. He is quirky, awkward and somewhat socially clumsy. But he's a fine lad and will be a GS champion in due time.
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Good post. You could already see his maturity developing with how calm he was down 0-2 in his opening round match despite his recent chokes.
 
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tonylg

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tennisbuck said:
I don’t think this goes unnoticed at all. Does the guy have any fans here?
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I like his tennis, but I've described him as a grubby cheat. I hope he develops the former and ditches the latter. There's time for him to change. It's not like he's been cheating on tour for over a decade, like others have.

Am I a fan?
 
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phl92

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Talking about Djokovics killer instinct, this guy is coming from somewhere totally different than probably all other players. He got waked up in his childhood from bombs destroying his city and an ongoing war... it either destroys you or like in his case makes you totally unsensitive to minor stress factors like a 15-40 in a GS final.. you see things in a different perspective.
 
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Tennis_Hands

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phl92 said:
Talking about Djokovics killer instinct, this guy is coming from somewhere totally different than probably all other players. He got waked up in his childhood from bombs destroying his city and an ongoing war... it either destroys you or like in his case makes you totally unsensitive to minor stress factors like a 15-40 in a GS final.. you see things in a different perspective.
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That is interesting. Why is he not insensitive towards minor issues like being outplayed, so that he doesn't succumb to anger rages?

It doesn't make sense to have one, but not the other: either he is calm as a coma when the going gets tough, or there is another explanation.

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Meles

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TennisFan3 said:
Are you serious?

Novak has gotten 100x LOUDER ovation a THOUSAND times.
You are talking about a 17 slam champion, 36 master titles champion.
He is revered around the world. And worshipped.

Novak's popularity and admiration >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tsitsipas's low popularity.
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Example from O2, apples to apples;)
 
King No1e

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junior74 said:
That sounds about right. Those with the best behaviour often lack killer instinct. Imagine Dimitrov with Novak's instincts. Or Berdych - holy cow, he would have been a monster!
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Berdych, well-behaved? His behavior was very bad, no? Very bad!
 
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Navdeep Srivastava

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Unless a clear case of cheating like Mladenovic match, I am ok with mto and all,
 
King No1e

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junior74 said:
I was talking about Novak's killer instincts in Berdych's talent. Wasn't thinking about behaviour..

I understand broken english got in the way, since two outstanding posters have arrested me :D @King No1e @mike danny

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Oops, my mistake LOL.
Berdych could hit through anyone if he had the mental cojones to challenge the Big 4. Instead he became their career gatekeeper.
 
clout

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Rosstour said:
I don't give him a pass. He's turned into (or exposed himself as) a total jerk. Used to be one of my favorite players.

You didn't even mention the shoe business.

That tapping against Shapo is egregiously bad and Shapo even called him out. I liked when Rosol did it against Rafa, because Rafa f***s with everyone. But this was unprovoked, Shapo isn't that kind of guy.
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Tbh most athletes use gamesmanship. This could range from trash talking to flopping to medical timeouts.
 
Rorano_Fedalovic

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phl92 said:
Djokovic is selling his own mama to get to this 20 titles... even though in the after press conference he is trying to convince all with his spiritual pseudo psychology
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his fans will be in for a suprise once they realize he'd even sell all of Serbia just to get there.
 
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