TW Yonex Vcore Tour G Reviews are out
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TennisCanada1
Professional
Wow, they really aren't fond of it.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Sounds like they liked the 330 but the weight was tough for them. Which is odd to me. I wonder if their demo was heavier than mine. Mark seemed to really like it.
I need to watch the 310 one. Guessing they will say it doesnt have enough plow or something.
I need to watch the 310 one. Guessing they will say it doesnt have enough plow or something.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yeah it's odd. Usually these guys complain that a raquet is too light needs lead, lacks plow.
Give them a heavy stick and they say its sluggish. I must have gotten lucky because mine came in 3 grams under weight, and its not sluggish at all for being 350 with everything on it.
Im thinking they got a heavier demo or something.
But besides that complaint, the review seemed fine to me.
Give them a heavy stick and they say its sluggish. I must have gotten lucky because mine came in 3 grams under weight, and its not sluggish at all for being 350 with everything on it.
Im thinking they got a heavier demo or something.
But besides that complaint, the review seemed fine to me.
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
For those who are merely interested in this racquet because Wawrinka allegedly uses it. Demo it for your needs not because a player is endorsing it.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=486721&page=3
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2014-01/21/c_133063329.htm
Look at the joining area at the top of the throat. Wawrinka's racquet has a higher connection like the vcore tour 97 whereas the tour g is reduced and almost no presence of a "webbing joint"
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=486721&page=3
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2014-01/21/c_133063329.htm
Look at the joining area at the top of the throat. Wawrinka's racquet has a higher connection like the vcore tour 97 whereas the tour g is reduced and almost no presence of a "webbing joint"
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yeah I HATE how they stress that he uses it. It stinks. Not their fault, but it bugged me.
He uses the 95D. I will say this racquet reminds me a lot of the 95D, but much easier on the arm.
He uses the 95D. I will say this racquet reminds me a lot of the 95D, but much easier on the arm.
MikeHitsHard93
Hall of Fame
Wawrinka plays with the 95D
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
The TourG HG is a very very good racquet, so is the 10.9oz one.
The lighter version unlike the gals the reviewed it and it also depends on their string tension and choice is a powerful racquet in my opinion, swings very easy, easy power, but I liked the HG one more, only because of Poly Tour Pro, as I didn't use the HG Vcore 97T I can't compare.
Again, this Tour G whichever version you take is awesome, excellent feel and precision but don't expect the racquet to play for you, it probably wasn't designed for that, even on Yonex charts it says it is their highest control racquets, so low tension or powerful strings to get where you want, I couldn't hit with Poly tour Spin (my favorite string) with Poly Tour Pro (rocket launcher) I hit very well with it, I won't be changing until July where I may look at the Ezone Ai 100.
The lighter version unlike the gals the reviewed it and it also depends on their string tension and choice is a powerful racquet in my opinion, swings very easy, easy power, but I liked the HG one more, only because of Poly Tour Pro, as I didn't use the HG Vcore 97T I can't compare.
Again, this Tour G whichever version you take is awesome, excellent feel and precision but don't expect the racquet to play for you, it probably wasn't designed for that, even on Yonex charts it says it is their highest control racquets, so low tension or powerful strings to get where you want, I couldn't hit with Poly tour Spin (my favorite string) with Poly Tour Pro (rocket launcher) I hit very well with it, I won't be changing until July where I may look at the Ezone Ai 100.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yeah the 310 testing lineup made no sense to me. They had all girls and then a guy who likes spin sticks. None of those players should dig that racquet.
I think they just got backlogged with reviews due to indian wells and had to speed it up a little bit.
But the reviews are fun, so who cares. It's good viewing.
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
I consider what Andy and Brittany say, not the rest of them, even though, nobody decides what racquet i use but me, pure greed in changing racquets, though the Tour G will make me better for sure, it only takes a commitment to change and deal with it, just like Fed King did it
The 10.9oz TourG isn't too much racquet, it is rather powerful which surprised me, the lighter 97T was more difficult than the Tour G.
Who asks a Pure Drive player to review a supposedly player's racquet??
It is just like asking BMW guy to review a Mercedes or vice-versa, there is no way they will like it, a BMW guy will always like the BMW drive more,... let me keep in the subject.
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MikeHitsHard93
Hall of Fame
Yeah I think that Sean should have been on one of the reviews. He does a great job. Him and Mark are my favorite playtesters (no offense to the others )
)Yeah, I'd just like to know how Chris, Mark and Andy feel about the G (both versions) compared to the Tour 97 (both versions). Hopefully they will divulge in the TW Q section.
Yeah, this is pretty well known on this message board. I do think it's a shame that this deception is being perpetuated by the manufacturers and then abetted by TW and other retailers.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Corners, post the detailed questions on the youtube channel. They get very detailed in the comments and will answer your question I bet.
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
Yeah, I just wanted to reiterate it. I feel like there's people here who just buy what players play with even if it doesn't make them better players. They would rather buy something and struggle with it knowing that their favorite player plays with it than buy something for them. Just trying to clear the air even more if everyone already knows about it. Can't hurt just to punch a dead horse in the face just to make sure it's dead (some of them look dead, but they ain't dead!!!).
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Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
well, when I am right, I am right
Yeah, Wawrinka has mind control abilities. He made them say that.
:roll:
What I can't figure out is why he doesn't use his mind control powers on opponents. Now THAT would be useful.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The problem is that if the practice was oulawed Stan the man either has to get a pay day or play with a racquet he prefers for free.
It's a big deal for Yonex to win the AO with him, so they need to cash in and telling people they can buy his racquet second hand sounds like a missed opportunity.
It's a big deal for Yonex to win the AO with him, so they need to cash in and telling people they can buy his racquet second hand sounds like a missed opportunity.
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oh. i think it'll be much lower.... probably in the upper 70s
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Honestly, I will say that while the Tour G is clearly not the racquet Stan uses, it is pretty similar in many ways. We don't know for sure if his has that same layup as the retail tour G. We also know his racquets come in weighted pretty heavy.
So while it is not Stan's racquet, it's somewhat close. Reminds me a lot of the 95d, just softer.
Even though it's not his real stick, keep this in mind - I know a guy at a tennis shop who works all the time. He said the amount of people who walk in there and ask for Djokovic or Nadals racquet is astounding. The amount of 3.5 women who want RPM blast is staggering. If stan wins another slam this year and continues to climb up the rankings, people are going to come in and ask for this racquet. It's just how it is, and Yonex has to take advantage of that.
So while it is not Stan's racquet, it's somewhat close. Reminds me a lot of the 95d, just softer.
Even though it's not his real stick, keep this in mind - I know a guy at a tennis shop who works all the time. He said the amount of people who walk in there and ask for Djokovic or Nadals racquet is astounding. The amount of 3.5 women who want RPM blast is staggering. If stan wins another slam this year and continues to climb up the rankings, people are going to come in and ask for this racquet. It's just how it is, and Yonex has to take advantage of that.
Of course they should take advantage of it. As do all of the other companies.
If Nadal, Federer Murray et al all used Yonex, all you would see on courts everywhere would be Yonex.
This is true of all sports, whatever the heroes use, everyone else wants a part of the action. It doesn't matter much to most people if it is the same. We live in a culture where image is everything, hence the need to print it on most things we wear or own. Status symbols.
I always liked using Yonex because it was good quality and different from the crowds!
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I was definitely curious about Nadal's stick when I started playing again. Just because I had not paid attention to racquets in so long and it reminded me of when Cannondale frames first came out for cycling. Just a totally unique looking racquet that I knew I had to try.
When I was playing juniors, all I knew was thin beams were for men and thick beams were for old ladies to us as kids. So it fascinated me that pros were using "wilson hammers".
Anyway, yeah. It is annoying to read the fake advertising on who uses what, but not worth getting up in arms about.
When I was playing juniors, all I knew was thin beams were for men and thick beams were for old ladies to us as kids. So it fascinated me that pros were using "wilson hammers".
Anyway, yeah. It is annoying to read the fake advertising on who uses what, but not worth getting up in arms about.
MikeHitsHard93
Hall of Fame
The market segment that these companies market for mostly are the "early adopters". It's the same thing as iPhone coming out with the 6, 7 etc. Creating a whole new frame invites more dynamic selling to this part of the market. Sales would plummet if there was only a cosmetic change every year.
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
Yup, it's just the business of it. I don't blame TW, they gotta do what they gotta do to make some money. And they need to plug the s*t out of it if it's going to move a new racquet that prior has been dominated by just fed/Murray/Nad/Djok. Aeropros and Speeds are always going to sell well every year, but now you have a new face with Yonex, it just adds more to your stock.
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
... Also, to be honest... I really think that most Yonex players stick all play similar enough that you can't really say that one is really worth buying into over the others if you are just interesting in Yonex's major playing characteristics and that's all you basically need to enhance your game. Yonex frames do certain things that attract a certain crowd and as long as you have those in mind, I think there is a wide pool of Yonex sticks that aren't the G series that could be a nice substitute for your game without having to buy into the hype of a stick that was designed and manufactured in 2014.
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Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yeah I agree. My main reason for getting this one over the prior model was that Stan won the AO with it.
Kidding.
Main reason was the more classic flex and feel it provides as an update to the last version.
I can aggressively go after the ball if needed and not worry about an off center hit bugging my arm. I can also play nice and loose and relaxed, and let the racquet just crack the ball over the net too.
I almost bought an old version just to use that and see how I liked it, but now that I am hooked on the feel of this new one, it does not make much sense to do that.
Kidding.
Main reason was the more classic flex and feel it provides as an update to the last version.
I can aggressively go after the ball if needed and not worry about an off center hit bugging my arm. I can also play nice and loose and relaxed, and let the racquet just crack the ball over the net too.
I almost bought an old version just to use that and see how I liked it, but now that I am hooked on the feel of this new one, it does not make much sense to do that.
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
A new cannondale is more expensive than a used car. Cannondales receive most of their marketing from the hype of a bicycle that is "intimately hand made" (just like Leica cameras) with some tweaked custom specs. If you tow a cannondale around nyc/brooklyn, I will guarantee it will either be stolen or have major parts stolen from it within a year. Those bikes are a hot commodity. Some companies can really build on their success with just hype and eventually it glues itself to their name and brand. Most notably that comes to mind is arborio (risotto rice) modena (balsamic vinegar), Dijon (mustard) and Ray Bans (sunglasses). It's funny that with all the risotto rice, if it's not Arborio it's not the right type to make authentic Risotto. Same with Modena vinegar. It's nothing more than the region but it stands for way more than that. It has a title and and it does wonders for the brand. It's pretty amazing what having a name brand that is synonymous with something special does for your company.
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Yonex is always about its large consistent sweet spot.
I played with it about 5 years. The reason why I left Yonex is its sweet spot is
somewhat boring. In away, it is not as sweet or exciting as others, so to speak.
I play tennis to feel the sweet spot (besides chasing balls. )
But Yonex still has my favorite flex at its throat area.
I played with it about 5 years. The reason why I left Yonex is its sweet spot is
somewhat boring. In away, it is not as sweet or exciting as others, so to speak.
I play tennis to feel the sweet spot (besides chasing balls.
)But Yonex still has my favorite flex at its throat area.
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Kevin T
Hall of Fame
That's fine. Keep coming out with the Big Bubbas. But cosmetic changes for player's frames used to be the norm and didn't seem to hurt sales that much. I remember thinking I was pretty cool to have a Donnay Pro One in three different cosmetics in my bag.
Ordered a 330 in L4 grip used last week from TW strung with tour bite soft at 55. Played with it a couple of times now and I actually agree wholeheartedly with the TW reviews. It is not whippy in the slightest and it is a bit of a bear to swing. I am no shrinking violet either, my usual stick is Head Extreme Pro 2.0 (only a little lighter) and my previous sticks have included the RDS 002 Tour, VCore 89T and Blade 93 2013 - all over 12 oz. This 330 G is more sluggish for me than all of them. I will be returning it to TW soon so if anybody is looking for it, keep your eyes on the used section....
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yonex is always about its large consistent sweet spot.
I played with it about 5 years. The reason why I left Yonex is its sweet spot is
somewhat boring. In away, it is not as sweet or exciting as others, so to speak.
I play tennis to feel the sweet spot (besides chasing balls.
But Yonex still has my favorite flex at its throat area.
Yeah I agree. The sweet spot on the tour G is a lot better to me than other YYs. The RDIS200 was close, but it was so big that it was pillow like.
This one is a little smaller, so it feels more focused and crisp. I have described it as Prestige meets POG.
mrmike
Semi-Pro
I take a lot of stock in Chris's reviews since his taste in racquets seem very similar to mine - substantial weight but head light. If he says the 330 is clubby I tend to believe I would perceive it the same way. I remember a few years back I purchased a Kennex Qtour with high hopes but found it to be too sluggish. Looking at the TW reviews that came out later the comments were saying the same thing. I was hoping he would chime in on the lighter 310 version but they used a different cast of play testers for that one.
Timbo's hopeless slice
Hall of Fame
Arborio is a short grain rice from the Po region in Italy, it is not, nor has it ever been, a brand name. It's grown everywhere...
It's like saying 'Reisling' is a brand of grape.
anyway, enough of that
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
I didn't say it was a "brand name" I referenced it to how they branded it to where it's synonymous to a certain level of expectation of what is risotto. As I also know that Modena is a region in Italy. But they've taken their skill, branded it and applied it to a name that quotes its background and history and what it's been known to harvest in its tradition of your expectations. I don't use the term "brand" literally. I use it the same way I was taught in design school when you "brand" something, you basically create an Identity for it. But I didn't feel like I needed to explain that until now...
cork_screw
Hall of Fame
If you really want to get into it here's another example. Canadian lobster and Maine lobster are the exact same species. But one sells for more and one is easily identified as being superior than the other. If you took a blind taste test of both you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. They marketed the Maine lobster as something special and desirable and that is its "brand," that is the effect of a marketing campaign.
syke
Professional
tistrapukcipeht
Professional
How do you know??
I asked the guy from P1 (owner) last year in Cincinnati and He said He didn't know whether was a 98 or 95 size, which if you had both and compared they are almost the same, assuming based on computer pics and TV isn't right and misleading. Again it is impossible to tell the difference between a 98D and 95D on pics and TV, unless somebody has his racquet and has compared with either one, it's still unknown what he uses.
dekko1
Semi-Pro
Ok TW, you guys should just do a bit of research and you'll see that Wawrinka is not really playing with this racket. It's already bad enough that racket companies are lying about rackets that the star players are playing with, now you guys are doing the same?
Why don't you guys set an example and tell the truth?
In my books, that's false advertisement, and it doesn't matter if that's coming from Yonex or TW, both doing wrong.
Why don't you guys set an example and tell the truth?
In my books, that's false advertisement, and it doesn't matter if that's coming from Yonex or TW, both doing wrong.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
He's playing with a Yonex so he endorses their latest racquet and plays with what suits him. I can't see a problem of any great significance.
He doesn't even play with a stock 95D, in any event, so does anyone copy his spec on their 95D to have a racquet just like him. No!
Let's face it, no one wants to play with his real racquet.
He doesn't even play with a stock 95D, in any event, so does anyone copy his spec on their 95D to have a racquet just like him. No!
Let's face it, no one wants to play with his real racquet.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
NUMEROUS pictures and details have been posted.
"I asked..." leads to nowhere further than "I looked at the TW site".
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Because Canadians PJ Maine lobsters!
Vegetable Lasagne
Rookie
Agreed! Very strange.
I've got my Tour G 330 leaded up slightly over it's listed TW specs (331g with a 310mm balance point unstrung).
Side-by-side with my regular Tour 97's it feels a bit lighter in the hand and also swings like a mid 11oz racquet.
Vegetable Lasagne
Rookie
Yonex is always about its large consistent sweet spot.
I played with it about 5 years. The reason why I left Yonex is its sweet spot is somewhat boring. In away, it is not as sweet or exciting as others, so to speak.
I play tennis to feel the sweet spot (besides chasing balls.
But Yonex still has my favorite flex at its throat area.
The regular Tour 97 330 definitely has that boring sweetspot, but the Tour G 330 is a different animal.
The Tour G's sweetspot is so rewarding and addictive.
I'd have to throw the Prostaff 85 somewhere into that mix too.
I hit side-by-side with my mates older 85's and the feel was very very close.
