using a smaller grip

penguin

Professional
Ok, so a question for people that use a smaller-than-traditional grip size:

is there a difference in the way you need to hold it. not eastern/western/continental but I mean the shape of the hand. How do you avoid getting pain after a while from holding it too tightly?

many thanks
 
I don't think that makes sense. I know nadal uses a super thin grip but I would use the Standard size. some say you can use the wrist better but I don't think the wrist Plays that much of a role anyway.
 

Aretium

Hall of Fame
Ok, so a question for people that use a smaller-than-traditional grip size:

is there a difference in the way you need to hold it. not eastern/western/continental but I mean the shape of the hand. How do you avoid getting pain after a while from holding it too tightly?

many thanks

There is no point in gripping a racket hard. Unless it is a service return. If your racket is moving on contact you need a heavier racket.
 

Ballinbob

Hall of Fame
I don't think that makes sense. I know nadal uses a super thin grip but I would use the Standard size. some say you can use the wrist better but I don't think the wrist Plays that much of a role anyway.

I think the wrist plays a huge role....Sure you don't want to be wristing your shots as that's not proper technique, but I can't tell you how many times I've been able to hit a passing shot/topspin lob by wristing the shot. It allows you to get that extra spin you need if you're in trouble and need to do something with the ball. It's a very good improvisational tool

That's my take on it anyway
 
I don't think that makes sense. I know nadal uses a super thin grip but I would use the Standard size. some say you can use the wrist better but I don't think the wrist Plays that much of a role anyway.

yeah i have been told that small grip is better for the wrist action

but still the wrist is important and it plays huge part sometimes
 

donquijote

G.O.A.T.
I started playing with 4-3/8 (L3) and later I felt that 4-1/4 (L2) was more comfortable. I was wrong! As I started playing better tennis, I switched back to 4-3/8 (L3) and now I think that maybe I should go with 4-1/2 (L4).
The reason is thicker grip feels better for semi-western or western and also more comfortable to swing as you have to squeeze it less. In addition, you get more sensation and control as fingers touch the handle and feel it rather than pressing it to hold it firm. Less effort!
Not sure why some pros like Nadal use smaller grips (they are different!) but I don't think it is a good choice for players up to 5.0 level. It is not good for health either as you are more likely develop tendon problems with the tighter arm.
 

dct693

Semi-Pro
It's up to you and how your arm feels. There's a "standard" but you can experiment to find what works for you. At the beginning stages go with the standard unless you have a reason not to. As you progress then experiment.

I have two different model rackets, one at 4 1/2 and the other at 4 3/8. The difference is inconsequential to me. Outside of those two sizes, I think it would be uncomfortable.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
One thing no one ever mentions is that the smaller grip facilitates a faster transition from a SW or W grip to a conti. That is what I notice more than anything since I have switched from 3/8s to 1/4.
 

RetroSpin

Hall of Fame
One thing no one ever mentions is that the smaller grip facilitates a faster transition from a SW or W grip to a conti. That is what I notice more than anything since I have switched from 3/8s to 1/4.

You know that never occurred to me but it's obviously true. How important is that though, compared to say, giving up a bit on volleys with the smaller grip?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Have you guys ever LOOKED at the hands of a pro tennis player?
On the palm side, it's full of callous buildup, multiple knots of callous's, some blisters, usually red and slightly swollen.
That's why they use such small grips. Swollen hands need small grip to maintain the same finger angles.
 

penguin

Professional
LeeD's and Retrospin's first are the only posts that have anything to do with my question. I am not asking whether it is better or worse to have a smaller grip size. I am asking how people adjust their hand positions (of whatever grip type) to work well with a smaller than traditional grip size, which would normally result in pain from necessarily holding the grip more tightly because the grip is smaller and would fall out of the hand otherwise. There are god players who do this. How do they adjust? Is it really just because of calluses etc as LeeD says? Please no more about large vs smaller grips better or worse. that is a different topic.
thank you
 
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Power Player

Bionic Poster
You know that never occurred to me but it's obviously true. How important is that though, compared to say, giving up a bit on volleys with the smaller grip?

Its really personal decision I would say. If you volley more, than a size up may make more sense.

LeeD's and Retrospin's first are the only posts that have anything to do with my question. I am not asking whether it is better or worse to have a smaller grip size. I am asking how people adjust their hand positions (of whatever grip type) to work well with a smaller than traditional grip size, which would normally result in pain from necessarily holding the grip more tightly because the grip is smaller and would fall out of the hand otherwise. There are god players who do this. How do they adjust? Is it really just because of calluses etc as LeeD says? Please no more about large vs smaller grips better or worse. that is a different topic.
thank you

It may just be too small for you. There should not be pain and you should not have to grip extra tight. It should feel natural. How long have you been using the smaller grip?
 

oble

Hall of Fame
I don't feel like I need to make any adjustments even when playing with demo sticks that usually have a slightly smaller grip than my usual size. I just find each of my grip position as per usual using the index knuckle and heel pad, and let my fingers wrap around the handle however they end up with.
 

penguin

Professional
It may just be too small for you. There should not be pain and you should not have to grip extra tight. It should feel natural. How long have you been using the smaller grip?

Where did I say anything about what grip I was using/whether I should be changing grip or suggest that it would be sensible to play with pain?

It is a fact that it is necessary to hold a smaller grip more tightly, if it is not to fly out of your hand. This can result in pain after a while, but many players are choosing to play with smaller than traditional grips these days apparently without hand-pain. It is natural to wonder if there could be some differences in the way they hold the grip to allow them to do this (beyond the usual categorisations such as Eastern/Western/Continental etc).

Oble, you probably don't play long enough with the demo sticks to run into problems from using a smaller grip. What's really needed here is information from people who use one all the time, having possibly switched from a larger one.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
So let me get this straight - you have never used a smaller grip and are just assuming all these things? And then i try to answer your question (whatever it is) and you get attitude?

I use a smaller grip and switched from a larger one. Its called court time and knowing how to hold a racquet. Go get one and see for yourself.
 

997turbo

Rookie
LeeD's and Retrospin's first are the only posts that have anything to do with my question. I am not asking whether it is better or worse to have a smaller grip size. I am asking how people adjust their hand positions (of whatever grip type) to work well with a smaller than traditional grip size, which would normally result in pain from necessarily holding the grip more tightly because the grip is smaller and would fall out of the hand otherwise. There are god players who do this. How do they adjust? Is it really just because of calluses etc as LeeD says? Please no more about large vs smaller grips better or worse. that is a different topic.
thank you

I have changed to a smaller grip size for all my racquets. Some background:

After playing some 5 hours a week for a couple of months now with a "correct" standard grip size, I realised that I have begun to hit much much better ground strokes when I hold the handle relaxed and low, with pinky almost off the buttcap.

My strokes are somewhat in between the traditional and the modern, with a languid medium loop in a late take back and fast strike speed, using waist and shoulder rotation. My stance is semi-open. My grip style is an extreme eastern, almost semi western. I needed the late take back because the margin of error was high when hitting a fast heavy incoming spinning ball with an early take back and fast swing speed.

Everything gels really well when I grip the handle down low, with easy access to wrist pronation.

That was when I realised that hey, I could wield the stick much much better if te grips were smaller. So I took off all the grips and wrapped thinner ones around and I must say they feel very comfortable for my style.

Players who hold the handle fully in their palms may prefer the standard grip size.
 

penguin

Professional
So let me get this straight - you have never used a smaller grip and are just assuming all these things? And then i try to answer your question (whatever it is) and you get attitude?

I use a smaller grip and switched from a larger one. Its called court time and knowing how to hold a racquet. Go get one and see for yourself.

Yeah, I guess I was a bit uncalled for- sorry.
I have one, that I haven't played with so much because my hand started to hurt after using it for long enough (it is not my only racquet). Of course I could just figure that it's too small, but I am interested if there is something else I could try before I sell it, because I like everything else about the racquet and it is only one size smaller. I tried adding an extra overgrip, but for some reason it didn't seem to play as well (either the balance change, or losing the bevels I suppose) though it did stop my hand from hurting...
 

997turbo

Rookie
Yeah, I guess I was a bit uncalled for- sorry.
I have one, that I haven't played with so much because my hand started to hurt after using it for long enough (it is not my only racquet). Of course I could just figure that it's too small, but I am interested if there is something else I could try before I sell it, because I like everything else about the racquet and it is only one size smaller. I tried adding an extra overgrip, but for some reason it didn't seem to play as well (either the balance change, or losing the bevels I suppose) though it did stop my hand from hurting...

Do you "arm" the racquet when you hit? Or is it a fluid body motion starting from waist/hip rotation ending with a whipping extended arm, using the weight(plow) of the racquet head to hit through the ball?

If you are exclusively "arming" it with pure brute strength, it may be better for you to grip the racquet handle fully and firmly in your hand, with a grip size as big as your palm can handle.
 

997turbo

Rookie
I think the wrist plays a huge role....Sure you don't want to be wristing your shots as that's not proper technique, but I can't tell you how many times I've been able to hit a passing shot/topspin lob by wristing the shot. It allows you to get that extra spin you need if you're in trouble and need to do something with the ball. It's a very good improvisational tool

That's my take on it anyway

Wristing your shots is a no-no, but it is correct technique to pronate the wrist.

Look at all the slow-mo videos of pro players. All of them hit with a substantial degree of wrist pronation when hitting groundstrokes.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Yeah, I guess I was a bit uncalled for- sorry.
I have one, that I haven't played with so much because my hand started to hurt after using it for long enough (it is not my only racquet). Of course I could just figure that it's too small, but I am interested if there is something else I could try before I sell it, because I like everything else about the racquet and it is only one size smaller. I tried adding an extra overgrip, but for some reason it didn't seem to play as well (either the balance change, or losing the bevels I suppose) though it did stop my hand from hurting...

There are a lot of factors here - technique..frame.maybe strings even. The easy answer to your question is that I do not experience pain with a smaller grip, so it sounds like that is correctable.
 
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