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You were pretty entertaining for a while. Thanks for making the message boards a funnier place.
Your swing may be 2.5 after 20 years but your troll ntrp is solid 5.0. Well done!
You have no idea what a 2.5 is.
You were pretty entertaining for a while. Thanks for making the message boards a funnier place.
Your swing may be 2.5 after 20 years but your troll ntrp is solid 5.0. Well done!
If you can, you should look into joining a USTA team and start playing formal matches if you haven't already. All the coaching and theory, videos, and practice gets flushed down the toilet on your first match. But it will be all part of your growth and improvement.
Straight beginner.You have no idea what a 2.5 is.
I've suggested that as well but he said he's not interested in joining USTA. Not sure why as it would vastly increase his tennis network and exposure to various styles and levels.
Straight beginner.
The long process of self-learning is a lot more fun than making money. Happiness is not what you have but what you do.There could be players out there who have become better players by following a "watch and learn" technique without real-time correction and feedback from a coach (or someone acting like a coach).
If they have done it, the only thing it really proves is that they have spent too much time re-inventing the wheel and spending money more than what was necessary (indirectly by not earning what they could have by working on their business).
Do you think it shows/proves anything else?
1) Money grab. I'm not paying $1500 to some indoor "team" just to play indoors in the middle of Spring.
2) I'm not driving 30+ min. to play tennis, when I can bike to my local courts.
3) I am not ready to play matches. I prefer to build the fundamentals first. Cart. Horse.
1) Money grab. I'm not paying $1500 to some indoor "team" just to play indoors in the middle of Spring.
2) I'm not driving 30+ min. to play tennis, when I can bike to my local courts.
3) I am not ready to play matches. I prefer to build the fundamentals first. Cart. Horse.
Then you are just wasting your time and money. Real tennis is played competitively in tournaments. Don't think for a moment that you can develop a certain level outside of tournaments and then enter a tournament and play at that level. No one plays their best tennis in a tournament match. First you have to learn how to win matches at the beginner levels, and you develop from there. I question your comittment, as it seems like you don't want to be a competitive tennis player; maybe you just want to seem good at the local park and on TT? If so, that's really sad. It's like winning the "smartest moron" prize.
Aspire.
meetup groups are a great option to play with tennis players of your level. Quite a few of them organize different meetups every week based on levels.
Then you are just wasting your time and money. Real tennis is played competitively in tournaments. Don't think for a moment that you can develop a certain level outside of tournaments and then enter a tournament and play at that level. No one plays their best tennis in a tournament match. First you have to learn how to win matches at the beginner levels, and you develop from there. I question your comittment, as it seems like you don't want to be a competitive tennis player; maybe you just want to seem good at the local park and on TT? If so, that's really sad. It's like winning the "smartest moron" prize.
Aspire.
Hello,Like I said, cart before horse.
For a young kid learning to ride a bicycle, do you tell him that he MUST do a competitive road race on day one?
Right now, I don't need formal matches. Opportunity cost.
I prefer to direct my time and money towards drills this year.
I know enough 3.5 players to play casual matches and see what weaknesses need addressing.
Matches will always be there, and are for a later stage of development.
I never said I will never play matches, just not this year.
I regularly play sets with 3.5 players.
I win some, they win some.
Yes, a great way to find players.
Often, you will find a subset whom you can schedule hitting outside of the group.
However, this thread is about getting better. Fixing strokes and making new muscle memory.
Merely playing tennis for fun does not make you better. It only reinforces your current skill set.
You do not fix strokes in a meetup social. Or even a group clinic.
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I'm talking about 3.0 player who wants to be 4 or 4.5 player in a matter of a couple of years.
Here is DIY experiment to check how far self learning will take you. Take a tennis sensor and measure your top spin rate. If it's less than 30 pct, try to double it in 3 months without one-on-one coaching.
Well...I was actually trying to give you an alternate path to get feedback on your lessons, without playing tournaments, since you seem averse to doing that. You don't get better merely by doing drills either, because once you get into a competitive match it's not about who has the more fancy strokes as much as whose strokes hold up under pressure. Your beautiful looking topspin shot might break down whereas the ugly forehand across the net is consistently landing in with good depth. I've experimented with a few different forehands and most of them work fine when doing drills or just practicing with someone else, but what I've discovered is that an old school Lendl/Sampras type high elbow forehand is what tends to break down the least for me in games. If I didn't play games and just focused on drills, I'd not know that part. My flat serves work great in practice. A spinny hard serve is what consistently works in games when nerves are also at play.
So, IMO, it has to be a mixture of match play and drills, for you to know what really works for you. You can use that feedback in a couple of different ways. If you really like something you're doing that's not working out in games, you can see how to fix it to make it better or OTOH if you don't like a particular shot that well, but it's working in games, then you can use practices to make it even stronger. Either way, IMO that feedback you get during games is extremely important to your development as a player.
I am playing 2 set matches several times a week against 3.5 to 4.5 players.
The matches drive what I drill during lessons.
Match -> Identify weakness -> Drill at lesson.
If you're enjoying the sport, having fun and have the means to pay for lessons, good on you. At the end of the day, that's what it is about.I have hit/played/practiced 29 out of the last 33 days.
Taking a hitting lesson almost daily, and sometimes playing 2x a day.
Body has fully adapted to new demands.
My muscle memory is now exhibiting permanent changes.
Like I said, cart before horse.
For a young kid learning to ride a bicycle, do you tell him that he MUST do a competitive road race on day one?
Right now, I don't need formal matches. Opportunity cost.
I prefer to direct my time and money towards drills this year.
I know enough 3.5 players to play casual matches and see what weaknesses need addressing.
Matches will always be there, and are for a later stage of development.
I never said I will never play matches, just not this year.
First you have to learn how to win matches at the beginner levels, and you develop from there. I question your commitment, as it seems like you don't want to be a competitive tennis player; maybe you just want to seem good at the local park and on TT?
+1. I so agree with this.Just because I can practice and look good hitting with 5.0 players, doesn't mean anything when I continually get 1 and 0'd in matches.
I learned just how flawed my strokes were, and just how much I needed to fix.
The list goes on and on.....
- Too close to the ball, not extending arms
- No legs, all arms.
- Swinging way too hard
- Wristy topspin with no depth and very low net clearance
- Not following thru above my shoulder
- Not doing unit turn
- Not swinging out
- Wrong grip for BH
- Not turning for approach shot
Just because I can practice and look good hitting with 5.0 players, doesn't mean anything when I continually get 1 and 0'd in matches.
I'll actually agree with you for once.
Excellent point.
Just because I can practice and look good hitting with 5.0 players, doesn't mean anything when I continually get 1 and 0'd in matches.
I just re-read this. Is this from your coach? Honestly, this sounds like what a Chiropractor does to keep you coming back. They give you all kinds of things to work on. Hopefully your coach is prioritizing things and isn't overwhelming you with technique nuances.
Good coaches and players who can self-analyze will find major flaws and find ways to coerce them into submission, which in turn usually help align and fix smaller problems. Looking at your list more than half of those are fixed with proper footwork and positioning for the ball. Then you can work on proper kinetic chain, load and swing.
Just a thought.
Typical loser cop out mentality of TT to justify continuing to play with their broken strokes.
Why practice if I can still lose? Yup, therefore, practice is pointless. Keep on hacking!
Depends on how much natural athletic ability/proprioception you have.
Good coaching will not help if you can't make your body do what they are asking/showing you.
Depends on how much natural athletic ability/proprioception you have. Good coaching will not help if you can't make your body do what they are asking/showing you.
There's a few of these threads open and active so I sometimes lose track. But I think it really comes down to what your tennis goals are.I just re-read this. Is this from your coach? Honestly, this sounds like what a Chiropractor does to keep you coming back. They give you all kinds of things to work on. Hopefully your coach is prioritizing things and isn't overwhelming you with technique nuances.
Good coaches and players who can self-analyze will find major flaws and find ways to coerce them into submission, which in turn usually help align and fix smaller problems. Looking at your list more than half of those are fixed with proper footwork and positioning for the ball. Then you can work on proper kinetic chain, load and swing.
Just a thought.
This. And its not a cop out. An eighty year old man is never going to play 5.0 tennis. It doesn't matter how much coaching he gets. In reality its a curve..
At a certain point depending on talent and fitness level - more coaching will only lead to slight better results at your level. So even a great deal more play and coaching will get you no where.
Tennis players figure this out - and adapt. The less talented stop taking lessons and enjoy the sport - not at their maximum potential - but at level that won't cost them much or use up all their time. For most this level is 3.5 - for some others it might be 4.5 or 3.0.
Its not a big deal. Most people improve like 1 NTRP - and that's already plenty..If you start at say 3.0 and are 50 years old like OP - well getting to 4.0 is doing fantastic. Anything beyond that would be really costly unless they had extra-ordinary talent.
Right. I think you need to understand what's your goal and what fuels your enjoyment. Unless you're making money on it, this is your hobby; in whatever form.I'd agree with this. Personally, I've improved quite a bit, just this summer, but it was mostly from getting over the hump in match play. That was the part of my game that was really lacking. My strokes have been pretty good, and haven't changed much. But, what's improved were my shots while playing points.
Back to the point, the question is really, what happens now? Do I think I can get to the next level? I enjoy playing, and I even enjoy drills, but what kind of balance between enjoyment, time, $, age is right for me? And what's right for me, doesn't mean it's the best answer for everyone. Everyone has different lives. Some people are content to play 3.5 league doubles once a week. Some, are probably going to stay at that level, but want to play higher lines so they practice a bit more. Some people are happy playing competitive 4.0 matches, but can't commit to getting to 4.5. After a while, drilling and coaching get diminishing returns (not to say that it isn't useful).
At 3.0-3.5, it's fairly easy to improve and get large gains in all strokes because for the most part, none of them are that great. You could spend a few years getting your forehand from a beginner level to a 4.0ish, but it would take that much time again to get it from 4.0-4.5. Once you get to a certain level, all of that practice time will be devoted to particular shots: slice DTL approach shots, wide kick serve, first volley off the serve and volley, etc.
What I have a harder time understanding, is working so hard at improvement without any real goals. To improve...just to improve? This I don't get. Maybe because I lack resources like time and money.
Maintainance also depend on your level of play.
A 3.0 can play once a year and stay the same.
A 4.0 might need 2-3 days a week just to maintain his standard of performance.
A 6.0 would probably need more, and much higher practice levels.