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Sir Weed

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Cooperative rally with a spraying leg injured friend.

My split step timing needs to be calibrated. :oops:

Very bad forehand on the slow ball at 00:21. Neutral stance as a general rule for more exact approach of contact point for slow incoming balls?

Been "thinking" about higher elbow on forehand for several years but it's just not happening. I guess I'll need to accept this and just hit the ball with what I haven't.

 
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Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Cooperative rally with a spraying leg injured friend.

My split step timing needs to be calibrated. :oops:

Very bad forehand on the slow ball at 00:21. Neutral stance as a general rule for more exact approach of contact point for slow incoming balls?

Been "thinking" about higher elbow on forehand for several years but it's just not happening. I guess I'll need to accept this and just hit the ball with what I haven't.


You are lucky that you are very fast :)

Question: Why the late take back? Just to be in the flow, like the pros?

As for the higher elbow on the FH, one tip I got was to push the racquet back with the off hand and extend it.
My coach still calls me out, a couple of times per practice though...
GL!
 

Sir Weed

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You are lucky that you are very fast :)

Question: Why the late take back? Just to be in the flow, like the pros?

As for the higher elbow on the FH, one tip I got was to push the racquet back with the off hand and extend it.
My coach still calls me out, a couple of times per practice though...
GL!
Thanks for your feedback! No idea why my take back is too late but thanks for pointing this out. Probably because I play red court with kids a lot with too heavy racket. I will switch to a 23" alu racket and get repetitions with high early take back in.
Will be interesting to see how long it takes to automatize this for a brain close to 50 y. :X3::D

Thanks again for your observations! (y)
My goal is to have my tennis together for 60+ matchplay.
 
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Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for your feedback! No idea why my take back is too late but thanks for pointing this out. Probably because I play red court with kids a lot with too heavy racket. I will switch to a 23" alu racket and get repetitions with high early take back in.
Will be interesting to see how long it takes to automatize this for a brain close to 50 y. :X3::D

Thanks again for your observations!. (y)
My goal is to have my tennis together for 60+ matchplay.
Again, amazing feet and overall!
Wait for the likes of @Dragy or @Morch Us to see your vid and give you qualified feedback :)
 

Sir Weed

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@Fintft I had the chance to play an hour of tennis this weekend and the forehand seems to improve. Maybe you can take the time to watch this clip and comment.

For kids tennis (red) I switched to a 23" racket and focused on clean contact, loose grip and sound of ball at contact.

Elbow: maybe a lower COG forces me to keep my elbow up longer? I don't want to think about body parts while playing so I'll try that. Probably need more neutral stance shots inside the court. Not easy to get in a coop hitting session.

 
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Fintft

G.O.A.T.
@Fintft I had the chance to play an hour of tennis this weekend and the forehand seems to improve. Maybe you can take the time to watch this clip and comment.

For kids tennis (red) I switched to a 23" racket and focused on clean contact, loose grip and sound of ball at contact.

Elbow: maybe a lower COG forces me to keep my elbow up longer? I don't want to think about body parts while playing so I'll try that. Probably need more neutral stance shots inside the court. Not easy to get in a coop hitting session.

@Dragy and @Morch Us can you guys check this video please?

To my untrained eyes, if I were to pick on anything, it would still be the FH side.
OP you may want to:
a) Keep both hands on the racquet longer during the take back (a semi pivot back might also happen that way).
b) Push the racquet back with your off hand and extend said hand.

Cheers!
 

Sir Weed

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@Dragy and @Morch Us can you guys check this video please?

To my untrained eyes, if I were to pick on anything, it would still be the FH side.
OP you may want to:
a) Keep both hands on the racquet longer during the take back (a semi pivot back might also happen that way).
b) Push the racquet back with your off hand and extend said hand.

Cheers!
(y)

Thanks coach! Alright, I'll be taking the racket back with my left hand only and pass it on to the right hand.

Plus lower COG.
 

Dragy

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@Dragy and @Morch Us can you guys check this video please?

To my untrained eyes, if I were to pick on anything, it would still be the FH side.
OP you may want to:
a) Keep both hands on the racquet longer during the take back (a semi pivot back might also happen that way).
b) Push the racquet back with your off hand and extend said hand.

Cheers!
@Sir Weed nice hitting mate! It’s fast court, isn’t it? You manage to hit your BH well (y)

I’ll pick on your FH, it looks a bit restricted, like you are not making those massive cuts at the ball:
- your very compact takeback with elbow almost tucked into your torso looks idiosyncratic, but similar one doesn’t hurt Rafa…
- your unit turn is sub-full, and lots of open stance hitting robs you of some power to fuel the swing, I suppose… can relate it to fast court, but meanwhile you are good on BH side, enough time
- just looks like your racquet head is moving nice, yet moderately fast, and FH balls are not massive… can you deliver more dominant blows if you get a loopy slice and sitting up ball, for example?

That’s where you can develop based on this single hitting video. But again, it overall looks strong and solid with your movement and swings and tempo, good job!
 

Sir Weed

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@Sir Weed nice hitting mate! It’s fast court, isn’t it? You manage to hit your BH well (y)

I’ll pick on your FH, it looks a bit restricted, like you are not making those massive cuts at the ball:
- your very compact takeback with elbow almost tucked into your torso looks idiosyncratic, but similar one doesn’t hurt Rafa…
- your unit turn is sub-full, and lots of open stance hitting robs you of some power to fuel the swing, I suppose… can relate it to fast court, but meanwhile you are good on BH side, enough time
- just looks like your racquet head is moving nice, yet moderately fast, and FH balls are not massive… can you deliver more dominant blows if you get a loopy slice and sitting up ball, for example?

That’s where you can develop based on this single hitting video. But again, it overall looks strong and solid with your movement and swings and tempo, good job!
Thanks a lot for taking the time to watch and comment. The court isn't really fast but what makes it a bit tricky for me is the high bounce. Carpet is my favorite surface because the ball drives right through the racket.
My hitting partner is recovering from a leg injury so we didn't go full intensity. But your observation is correct: I can't consistently blast forehands. Thanks very much for the feedback. I will go for bigger forehands next time I play. More unit turn, maybe keep more weight on my right foot to push off during contact, more neutral stance forehands.

Thank you! (y)
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Center of gravity. :)

Yes, I'll definitely follow your suggestions.
Aha, I need to bent knees when faces slices! My opponent was laughing at me and he sent 10% of his balls with topspin, that I killed! You know the Chinese drip torture?
 
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Sir Weed

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Could get 500 junk ball feeds today and tried to apply forehand feedback from Dragy and Fintft (names in alphabetical order). Thanks again for the good feedback, guys. It helps a lot.

What I learned today:

* more focus on timing and clean contact with still head
* better positioning so I still have leg kick left at contact
* racket (Prestige MP, 320 g) too heavy at this point
* footwork feels lazy
* forehand grip probably too conservative
* find ways to apply the feedback (maybe right shoulder higher than left shoulder during take back?)

 
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Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Could get 500 junk ball feeds today and tried to apply forehand feedback from Dragy and Fintft (names in alphabetical order). Thanks again for the good feedback, guys. It helps a lot.

What I learned today:

* more focus on timing and clean contact with still head
* better positioning so I still have leg kick left at contact
* racket (Prestige MP, 320 g) too heavy at this point
* footwork feels lazy
* forehand grip probably too conservative
* find ways to apply the feedback (maybe right shoulder higher than left shoulder during take back?)

Boy you are fast!
(Although those feeds were loopy).

1.It's not that you footwork is lazy, it's more that "the semi-pivot back doesn't happen automatically, after taking the racquet back with both hands, once you decided on which side you are going to hit"- as Bolettieri told me( without a video). He added : "There is no such thing as too early preparation in rec tennis"
2. My coach actually wants me to be done with both my takeback and movement before the ball crosses the net, while your take back still seems a tad late.
3. I want to see you, ONCE, have one take back where your left hand is extended(that will lift your elbow). Instead of your " right shoulder higher than left shoulder" :)
 

Sir Weed

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2. My coach actually wants me to be done with both my takeback and movement before the ball crosses the net, while your take back still seems a tad late.
I can't agree with this because for these slow balls: when the ball crosses the net I don't have the slightest idea where my point of contact is going to be. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm looking for a continuous motion especially since my racket is relatively heavy. Fast balls? Yes, I'll be ready. The ball crossing the net can't be a standard reference because of different trajectories and ball speeds. My timing is relative to contact point (on the rise, apex, drop, whatever) and I've yet to see arguments that convince me otherwise.
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
I can't agree with this because for these slow balls: when the ball crosses the net I don't have the slightest idea where my point of contact is going to be. Maybe I'm wrong but I'm looking for a continuous motion especially since my racket is relatively heavy. Fast balls? Yes, I'll be ready. The ball crossing the net can't be a standard reference because of different trajectories and ball speeds. My timing is relative to contact point (on the rise, apex, drop, whatever) and I've yet to see arguments that convince me otherwise.
You're a pro :)
But with deeper unit turn( per @Dragy as well) you'll get to use more of your kinetic chain.
 

Sir Weed

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3. I want to see you, ONCE, have one take back where your left hand is extended(that will lift your elbow). Instead of your " right shoulder higher than left shoulder" :)
Noted, thanks very much. Yes, I think I could use this inertia to add some torso coil with my hip prior to contact.
Makes sense, I'll try to implement this. So many things to coordinate. Tennis!

Good observation. (y)
 

Sir Weed

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Especially if taking the ball on the rise.
Absolutely. But I almost never seem to take those on the rise. This is a rule. Upon the slow ball the opponent would have recovered anyway so there's no way to take time from her/him. No reason to take the risk.
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Absolutely correct. I need a stronger, faster core. More proteins and medicine balls because the chain is too week for prestigious hitting. Plus beer.
Nope, all you need(and I've just tried this with a friend) is to push the racquet back with the left hand( as per above).
 

Sir Weed

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Today two baskets of junk balls with coach Fintft's advice in mind (left arm pushes racket back then keep it straight).
I can't rotate my hitting arm into contact zone with full take back because I'm too weak. So I will try a lighter racket next time, more junk balls and continue with the tips from you guys plus some targets to hit at.

Main problem is, I think, the lack of "speed-strength".


 
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Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Today two baskets of junk balls with coach Fintft's advice in mind (left arm pushes racket back then keep it straight).
I can't rotate my hitting arm into contact zone with full take back because I'm too weak. So I will try a lighter racket next time, more junk balls and continue with the tips from you guys plus some targets to hit at.

Main problem is, I think, the lack of "speed-strength".


I'll take your word that you did it( the advice I got in a seaside resort, Black Sea, in Romania this August. I'm glad that I didn't actually drawn, due to rip currents, lack of energy caused by medication and lack of life guards. Can you imagine that they only saved me, b/c they were coming running since someone had actually drawn?!! My wisdom would have never been passed to a great player like you, if it wasn't for Catalin and Marian, 21 and 23 years old skinny life guards, underpaid and fed only once a day!).

PS
Apparently, I've missed your videos :(

PPS
You may want to start the movement from the hip(back leg) and the trunk will pull the racquet. Not to mention the momentum of the racquet falling( if the tip is up during take back).
 
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Sir Weed

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I'll take your word that you did it( the advice I got in a seaside resort, Black Sea, in Romania this August. I'm glad that I didn't actually drawn, due to rip currents, lack of energy caused by medication and lack of life guards. Can you imagine that they only saved me, b/c they were coming running since someone had actually drawn?!! My wisdom would have never been passed to a great player like you, if it wasn't for Catalin and Marian, 21 and 23 years old skinny life guards, underpaid and fed only once a day!).

PS
Apparently, I've missed your videos :(

PPS
You may want to start the movement from the hip(back leg) and the trunk will pull the racquet. Not to mention the momentum of the racquet falling( if the tip is up during take back).
WTF?! That puts forehands into perspective. How are you doing now?
 

Sir Weed

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Ok and do you still have your latest vid?
(y)

72 balls today. I'll try to upload later.

Edit: coach @Fintft, here it is:

It may not look much different but the forehand starts to feel and sound much better and the racket doesn't seem to weigh a ton anymore. So thanks again for the useful feedback so far and I'll keep on working with it.
This is really like having a coach, thank you very much for taking the time! (y)


 
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Fintft

G.O.A.T.
(y)

72 balls today. I'll try to upload later.

Edit: coach @Fintft, here it is:

It may not look much different but the forehand starts to feel and sound much better and the racket doesn't seem to weigh a ton anymore. So thanks again for the useful feedback so far and I'll keep on working with it.
This is really like having a coach, thank you very much for taking the time! (y)


I'm low level mind you.
But your videos look nice and you seem to have better spacing on your FH (as at 1:30 mark in the first vid and at the 0:30 in the second). You seem to do even better on the short balls.
I'd still like to see you extend completely the left elbow when pushing the racquet back and while it's true that you don't want to wait for the ball (like the rest of us, rec players are supposed to do), it might still help.

It's true that while Rafa, Nole and Andy do it, Roger, like you, only extends the off hand, after taking it off the racquet:
 

Sir Weed

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I'm low level mind you.
But your videos look nice and you seem to have better spacing on your FH (as at 1:30 mark in the first vid and at the 0:30 in the second). You seem to do even better on the short balls.
I'd still like to see you extend completely the left elbow when pushing the racquet back and while it's true that you don't want to wait for the ball (like the rest of us, rec players are supposed to do), it might still help.

It's true that while Rafa, Nole and Andy do it, Roger, like you, only extends the off hand, after taking it off the racquet:
Cool, thank you. The picture becomes clearer and I'll go for it next monday. Will visualize until then. :X3:
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
Cool, thank you. The picture becomes clearer and I'll go for it next monday. Will visualize until then. :X3:
Or maybe don't, as you do like Fderer.

Do you, in turn feed your kid?
You don't get to play daily?
We had such sunny, warm days here in Canada, it's been a pleasure to hit outside.
 

Sir Weed

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Or maybe don't, as you do like Fderer.
I'm a Benneteau and Lendl fan so I definitely will.
Do you, in turn feed your kid?
You don't get to play daily?
We had such sunny, warm days here in Canada, it's been a pleasure to hit outside.
Yes, the kid and I practice and play tennis together for about three times per week plus I do some kids and beginner tennis. Well, I'm more of a hitting partner than a tennis player.

Yes, hopefully we get some more days to play outside in good or at least somewhat bearable conditions! (y)

What about you? How many hours of tennis do you play per week?
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
I'm a Benneteau and Lendl fan so I definitely will.

Yes, the kid and I practice and play tennis together for about three times per week plus I do some kids and beginner tennis. Well, I'm more of a hitting partner than a tennis player.

Yes, hopefully we get some more days to play outside in good or at least somewhat bearable conditions! (y)

What about you? How many hours of tennis do you play per week?
Nice!
Elbow extension or not, the other thing, that @Dragy mentioned, lingers in my mind, do you, at times, hit your FH harder? Inject pace?

Myself, I play ( mainly rallying) singles daily, with one or two exceptions per week, when I play doubles. I need to get in better shape and since I don't like swimming in pools( and started to worry about my knee), I'll try to bike more( and diet).
 

Sir Weed

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Nice!
Elbow extension or not, the other thing, that @Dragy mentioned, lingers in my mind, do you, at times, hit your FH harder? Inject pace?
I do but my footwork and spacing isn't good enough (yet) to put more momentum on slow balls because I'm too far away from the ball to push through contact. No prob though when I receive pace.
The problems weren't that obvious with my previous racket (6.1 95) but switching to Head Prestige MP highlighted many deficiencies. It's a cruel racket hahaha.
Myself, I play ( mainly rallying) singles daily, with one or two exceptions per week, when I play doubles. I need to get in better shape and since I don't like swimming in pools( and started to worry about my knee), I'll try to bike more( and diet).
Whoa, that's a lot of tennis! Respect. It's not surprising that a ball junkie isn't too much into swimming - without a ball.
Enjoy the conditioning and whatever it takes to reach your goals! (y)(y)
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
I do but my footwork and spacing isn't good enough (yet) to put more momentum on slow balls because I'm too far away from the ball to push through contact. No prob though when I receive pace.
The problems weren't that obvious with my previous racket (6.1 95) but switching to Head Prestige MP highlighted many deficiencies. It's a cruel racket hahaha.

Whoa, that's a lot of tennis! Respect. It's not surprising that a ball junkie isn't too much into swimming - without a ball.
Enjoy the conditioning and whatever it takes to reach your goals! (y)(y)
Yes, it could be that you could use more turn to get more power from uncoilling (and that has something to do with spacing), albeit I doubt it's your footwork. I am saying this from memory and I am not a coach, nor a very good player, so take it with a grain of salt. Last thought on the topic are you sure that you are hitting relaxed enough and swinging fast enough? Do you ever do shadow swings in between points and during warmup? Not only does the racquet make a wooosh sound in my hands, but I hit myself in the back on the follow through as I am not catching it (I was wondering about that lol). In the above FH video Rublev and Monfils seem to be the ones hitting themselves, even with a ball. Wawrinka coming close.

6.1. 95 BLX has been my racquet for almost 10 years, before I switched to RF97A and now to lighter ones with poly.

I enjoy swimming somewhat, but not the logistics associated with chlorine in the public pools or the virus complications, plus the difficulty of finding said pools, etc. By comparision the beaches in Morocco and Romania were nice (except rip currents on some stretches and lack of life quards, as I said). Vietnam to follow in Feb probably. I don't diet enough and don't move enough on a tennis court though, in singles. Will try more conditioning etc. Thanks!
 
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