Well, It Looks Like I'm Going To Risk It

[Cindysphinx]

For quite some time, I have avoided indoors around people but been fine being outdoors with people. Socially distant and outdoors is where I decided to land.

Well, fall and winter league tennis is about to start organizing, so all of us in my area have to make a decision: Are we in for indoor tennis, or are we sitting out? The county has said that all indoor courts will be occupied (meaning they will not leave a vacant court between occupied courts). People must wear masks in the lobby and to and from the courts, but not while playing. They have the interesting rule that you have to have a face covering around your neck for whatever reason, but you don't have to use it while playing.

I decided I'm going to take the risk. At the moment, our area is not a hotspot, but that could change. Even though these tennis bubbles and indoor facilities are big places with reasonable air flow, based on what I know about airborne and droplet transmission, there is no filtration system that will do much if someone six feet away has the virus.

But . . . life has to go on. It's a few hours of exposure here and there. But a lot of people I know have decided not to play. I guess we shall see how it goes. . . .

Is anyone else deciding to play indoors, or deciding not to?

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

For quite some time, I have avoided indoors around people but been fine being outdoors with people. Socially distant and outdoors is where I decided to land.

Well, fall and winter league tennis is about to start organizing, so all of us in my area have to make a decision: Are we in for indoor tennis, or are we sitting out? The county has said that all indoor courts will be occupied (meaning they will not leave a vacant court between occupied courts). People must wear masks in the lobby and to and from the courts, but not while playing. They have the interesting rule that you have to have a face covering around your neck for whatever reason, but you don't have to use it while playing.

I decided I'm going to take the risk. At the moment, our area is not a hotspot, but that could change. Even though these tennis bubbles and indoor facilities are big places with reasonable air flow, based on what I know about airborne and droplet transmission, there is no filtration system that will do much if someone six feet away has the virus.

But . . . life has to go on. It's a few hours of exposure here and there. But a lot of people I know have decided not to play. I guess we shall see how it goes. . . .

Is anyone else deciding to play indoors, or deciding not to?

I can hardly criticize someone for playing indoors when I go to the supermarket and mingle [inadvertantly] with more people. And since I live in SoCal, I only play outdoors anyway.

But I only play singles and still try to keep reasonable distance. I guess everyone has to weigh the risks and make their own decision. At least we still have that power.

Is your league going to do the "only use your own balls" rule? How will that work for doubles? 4 cans need to be opened?

[This rule makes little sense to anyone who has seen slow-mo video of what happens when one makes contact with a ball: fuzz and dust fly everywhere, like someone sneezing. Using only your own balls is not going to prevent transmission if indeed that is a vector.]

Stay safe!

 

[Cindysphinx]

Yeah, I forgot that they are still adhering to the wasteful and unnecessary practice of using a dozen tennis balls for one 2-hour League doubles match.

 

[Cashman]

I dislike playing indoors normally, so under current conditions it would be a hard pass for me.

I can hardly criticize someone for playing indoors when I go to the supermarket and mingle [inadvertantly] with more people.

I don’t think the two situations are equivalent. A group of people exercising indoors are going to aerosolise the virus in a way that you don’t see in a setting like a supermarket. See the choir practice cluster in Washington.

 

[S&V-not_dead_yet]

I don’t think the two situations are equivalent. A group of people exercising indoors are going to aerosolise the virus in a way that you don’t see in a setting like a supermarket. See the choir practice cluster in Washington.

True. But I'm a lot closer to a lot more people for a lot longer in the market.

There are many factors. Overall, singles tennis outdoors is probably less of a risk than indoor market shopping. Change singles outdoors to doubles indoors and the chances rise although by how much? And is it realistically significant? If the chances are negligible with singles outdoors and the risk doubles [no pun intended], it's still going to be negligible. But maybe if it rises by 10x it's no longer negligible.

 

[beltsman]

Even singles outdoors I do worry about changing ends. When you stand at the service line, you are standing in a cloud of air from your heavily-breathing opponent. If there is not much wind, it won't blow away.

 

[Subway Tennis]

For quite some time, I have avoided indoors around people but been fine being outdoors with people. Socially distant and outdoors is where I decided to land.

Well, fall and winter league tennis is about to start organizing, so all of us in my area have to make a decision: Are we in for indoor tennis, or are we sitting out? The county has said that all indoor courts will be occupied (meaning they will not leave a vacant court between occupied courts). People must wear masks in the lobby and to and from the courts, but not while playing. They have the interesting rule that you have to have a face covering around your neck for whatever reason, but you don't have to use it while playing.

I decided I'm going to take the risk. At the moment, our area is not a hotspot, but that could change. Even though these tennis bubbles and indoor facilities are big places with reasonable air flow, based on what I know about airborne and droplet transmission, there is no filtration system that will do much if someone six feet away has the virus.

But . . . life has to go on. It's a few hours of exposure here and there. But a lot of people I know have decided not to play. I guess we shall see how it goes. . . .

Is anyone else deciding to play indoors, or deciding not to?

I'm hitting a lot but definitely no organised play, and only on private outdoor courts as a lot of facilities are shut here atm.

 

[OnTheLine]

For me I would not choose to play indoors. We have only 1 indoor facility and I have marked myself unavailable for that match. The air has always felt stale and used at indoor facilities in normal times ... now I am not willing to consider it. Won't go to a gym either. I just don't think the ventilation they have is enough.

I played throughout quarantine outdoors. So it is not as if I am totally risk averse. I am much more careful than most ... won't put my stuff anywhere near others. Keep more than 6' distance when gathered waiting for a court. I am happy wasting cans of balls as I will use them for practice. Typically, I am the only one opening my own can and people are respectful and not touching them with their hands. I have appreciated how courteous people have been.

The problem is most other people are less vigilant with distancing. They will come right next to others as if everything is normal. It is not normal right now. Likely looks like it won't be normal for quite some time!

And @S&V-not_dead_yet if you spend more time in a grocery store than in a 90 minute tennis match you need to reconfigure your shopping list to match the store layout. Big trip I am in and out in 20 minutes max with a full cart!

 

[SeeItHitIt]

Use your head and you’ll likely be fine. If you don’t have anything underlying/comorbidity, just Love your life. To wit, The ‘disaster’ Adria Tour ‘sickened’ at least Djoker and his wife, Dimitrov. Coric, Evans, and then Troicki and his wife (who is pregnancy)...all have recovered with what’s been reported as virtually no symptoms (meaning they didn’t get the flu).

Here’s what the wizards of smart are saying now.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

And keep in mind, Dr. Fauci thinks so much of PPE/masks that he risks hanging around in baseball stadiums with his mask adoring his neck.

 

[zipplock]

For quite some time, I have avoided indoors around people but been fine being outdoors with people. Socially distant and outdoors is where I decided to land.

Well, fall and winter league tennis is about to start organizing, so all of us in my area have to make a decision: Are we in for indoor tennis, or are we sitting out? The county has said that all indoor courts will be occupied (meaning they will not leave a vacant court between occupied courts). People must wear masks in the lobby and to and from the courts, but not while playing. They have the interesting rule that you have to have a face covering around your neck for whatever reason, but you don't have to use it while playing.

I decided I'm going to take the risk. At the moment, our area is not a hotspot, but that could change. Even though these tennis bubbles and indoor facilities are big places with reasonable air flow, based on what I know about airborne and droplet transmission, there is no filtration system that will do much if someone six feet away has the virus.

But . . . life has to go on. It's a few hours of exposure here and there. But a lot of people I know have decided not to play. I guess we shall see how it goes. . . .

Is anyone else deciding to play indoors, or deciding not to?

Good for you. Even indoors, if you take appropriate measures, you'll be good. Enjoy the tennis!!!

 

[J_R_B]

Use your head and you’ll likely be fine. If you don’t have anything underlying/comorbidity, just Love your life. To wit, The ‘disaster’ Adria Tour ‘sickened’ at least Djoker and his wife, Dimitrov. Coric, Evans, and then Troicki and his wife (who is pregnancy)...all have recovered with what’s been reported as virtually no symptoms (meaning they didn’t get the flu).

Here’s what the wizards of smart are saying now.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

And keep in mind, Dr. Fauci thinks so much of PPE/masks that he risks hanging around in baseball stadiums with his mask adoring his neck.

Djokovic dug his own grave on that one. It wasn't the tennis that caused that situation, it was dancing and drinking at the party in a packed nightclub that did it. That was clearly a superspreader event. The fact that none of the highly trained athletes with no comorbidities (or their also not-at-risk wives) had serious symptoms says nothing about the others that clearly got it at that party that aren't being publicized or the possibly at-risk people they took it home to. That part of the Adria Tour never should have happened but because Djokovic is an anti-science conspiracy theorist moron, he couldn't resist flaunting even the most basic precautions. I would be shocked if that clearly reckless and unnecessary event didn't lead to at least one death, but who knows if Serbia even does contact tracing...

 

[Steady Eddy]

For quite some time, I have avoided indoors around people but been fine being outdoors with people. Socially distant and outdoors is where I decided to land.

Well, fall and winter league tennis is about to start organizing, so all of us in my area have to make a decision: Are we in for indoor tennis, or are we sitting out? The county has said that all indoor courts will be occupied (meaning they will not leave a vacant court between occupied courts). People must wear masks in the lobby and to and from the courts, but not while playing. They have the interesting rule that you have to have a face covering around your neck for whatever reason, but you don't have to use it while playing.

I decided I'm going to take the risk. At the moment, our area is not a hotspot, but that could change. Even though these tennis bubbles and indoor facilities are big places with reasonable air flow, based on what I know about airborne and droplet transmission, there is no filtration system that will do much if someone six feet away has the virus.

But . . . life has to go on. It's a few hours of exposure here and there. But a lot of people I know have decided not to play. I guess we shall see how it goes. . . .

Is anyone else deciding to play indoors, or deciding not to?

Go for it!!

 

[WildVolley]

I wouldn't mind playing indoors during the season, even though I don't have to make that decision as all my league matches are outdoors (now scheduled for the fall, but who knows what will actually happen).

If I'm not already immune, given I was exposed to multiple people who got the thing, I have a functioning immune system and am healthy. Realistically, the greatest risk I face is driving to the matches.

I've been playing tennis outdoors with a lot of league guys (singles & doubles) for about three months now. We aren't doing anything extraordinary beyond socially distancing and wearing masks when we socialize after playing. I still haven't seen anyone doing the multiple cans with marked balls, and the courts here (Southern California) are very crowded.

 

[sureshs]

Go for it Cindy. The mask around the neck rule seems weird and will interfere with serving

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[S&V-not_dead_yet]

And @S&V-not_dead_yet if you spend more time in a grocery store than in a 90 minute tennis match you need to reconfigure your shopping list to match the store layout. Big trip I am in and out in 20 minutes max with a full cart!

I wasn't accurate: if you add up the time I spend and factor in how many people are around me for how long and how close, the risk is more at the market than at the tennis court, even if it only takes me 30 minutes at the market.

The math would be complicated, as you'd have to account for whether the virus is aerosolized [and to what extent], in which case the standard 1/(distance)^2 equation won't work.

 

[RogueFLIP]

Started USTA a few weeks ago, and all our matches are indoors in the NorthEast.

Masks on in the lobby, there's hand sanitzer on every court.
No spectators allowed and most clubs have taken their furniture out of their lobby to discourage loitering. The post match refreshments have been eliminated.

Its racket touches instead of handshakes. Can't say people are social distancing on the court. I've only had one team implement the separate balls for teams, and I'll reciprocate just bc they've asked me to. A bit ridiculous but whatever.

Most clubs have some a/c or fans to move the air around.

I'm hoping that people don't play if they feel a little sick, I'll wear my mask till I get on court, I'll wash/sanitize my hands before/during/after and I won't touch my face.

Big open space with at most 9 other people nearby? Semi-near by as they are on other courts? C'mon.


Shouldn't be an issue playing indoors.

 

[RogueFLIP]

Even singles outdoors I do worry about changing ends. When you stand at the service line, you are standing in a cloud of air from your heavily-breathing opponent. If there is not much wind, it won't blow away.

So you seriously think that by the time you get to other end to serve AFTER the changeover, that there's this cloud of expirated air from your opponent hanging around? That is hadn't dissipated already? Outdoors, even with no wind?!? C'mon.

 

[beltsman]

So you seriously think that by the time you get to other end to serve AFTER the changeover, that there's this cloud of expirated air from your opponent hanging around? That is hadn't dissipated already? Outdoors, even with no wind?!? C'mon.

It's possible. If there is no wind, for sure it's possible. Especially on games without long changeover periods.

 

[beltsman]

Started USTA a few weeks ago, and all our matches are indoors in the NorthEast.

Masks on in the lobby, there's hand sanitzer on every court.
No spectators allowed and most clubs have taken their furniture out of their lobby to discourage loitering. The post match refreshments have been eliminated.

Its racket touches instead of handshakes. Can't say people are social distancing on the court. I've only had one team implement the separate balls for teams, and I'll reciprocate just bc they've asked me to. A bit ridiculous but whatever.

Most clubs have some a/c or fans to move the air around.

I'm hoping that people don't play if they feel a little sick, I'll wear my mask till I get on court, I'll wash/sanitize my hands before/during/after and I won't touch my face.

Big open space with at most 9 other people nearby? Semi-near by as they are on other courts? C'mon.


Shouldn't be an issue playing indoors.

Indoors with AC is the issue though. AC air currents blow the virus (in the transport of moisture droplets) much further than otherwise. AC/fans moving air around is the problem.

I have no idea if it's "high risk" or how to even quantify risk. But it seems to me, opinion only, that there is some risk there.

 

[Cindysphinx]

I did some actual research, to the extent my feeble brain can absorb it.

They know the virus is transmitted in little droplets. But that is not the same as True airborne Transmission. Airborne transmission is whether the virus can hang around in the air entirely On its own, without the help is someone’s breath or spit. And the virus has to survive in that state long enough and strong enough to infect a person. If this virus is spread by true airborne transmission, then we’re all going to get it, and skipping tennis won’t make the difference. (Real scientists, feel free to correct me, but that’s the best that I ca do.)

A lot of things would have to go wrong for me to be playing Indoor doubles near someone who has the virus, for me to contract it, and for me to get sick enough for it to be a big problem. So I’ll risk it. And if this is how I go out, well . . . At least I was doing something more fun than buying groceries or commuting to work.

 

[J_R_B]

Indoors with AC is the issue though. AC air currents blow the virus (in the transport of moisture droplets) much further than otherwise. AC/fans moving air around is the problem.

I have no idea if it's "high risk" or how to even quantify risk. But it seems to me, opinion only, that there is some risk there.

It's certainly not zero risk, but tennis, even indoor tennis is low risk, for many reasons. First, indoor tennis courts need high ceilings, so it's not like a conference room where you're in a 10x10 room with 8 foot ceilings with 8 people in it. There is a lot of air in the court areas to disperse any aerosolized droplets and only 2 or 4 people per court, so the PPM is going to be very low. Second, current research is that fomite transfer (i.e. from objects) is not a big part of the spread, and it's most common with smooth surfaces, so getting it from the tennis balls is a 1-in-a-million chance. Finally, the population of tennis players is going to be skewed towards low risk people (not that people with obesity or diabetes or asthma don't play tennis, but fewer do than the general population), so even if someone is positive, they are more likely to be asymptomatic and their viral shed is more likely to be lower.

Again, none of these things is an absolute, and given that outdoors is even more likely to disperse the virus and that UV radiation in sunlight deactivates the virus, outdoors is clearly even lower risk than indoors, so there is some risk, but it's pretty low. Certainly low enough that I'm not going to worry about it. I'll follow the recommended precautions (i.e. wear a mask in and out, sanitize hands, don't hang around before or after matches, etc.) and go play.

 

[beltsman]

It's certainly not zero risk, but tennis, even indoor tennis is low risk, for many reasons. First, indoor tennis courts need high ceilings, so it's not like a conference room where you're in a 10x10 room with 8 foot ceilings with 8 people in it. There is a lot of air in the court areas to disperse any aerosolized droplets and only 2 or 4 people per court, so the PPM is going to be very low. Second, current research is that fomite transfer (i.e. from objects) is not a big part of the spread, and it's most common with smooth surfaces, so getting it from the tennis balls is a 1-in-a-million chance. Finally, the population of tennis players is going to be skewed towards low risk people (not that people with obesity or diabetes or asthma don't play tennis, but fewer do than the general population), so even if someone is positive, they are more likely to be asymptomatic and their viral shed is more likely to be lower.

Again, none of these things is an absolute, and given that outdoors is even more likely to disperse the virus and that UV radiation in sunlight deactivates the virus, outdoors is clearly even lower risk than indoors, so there is some risk, but it's pretty low. Certainly low enough that I'm not going to worry about it. I'll follow the recommended precautions (i.e. wear a mask in and out, sanitize hands, don't hang around before or after matches, etc.) and go play.

That's a good summary. I agree with all of that. It's pretty crazy that we have to even do these "calculations," but it is what it is. It's impossible to quantify risk, but everyone does their best at their own risk assessment.

To go back to what I was saying about changing ends; most certainly doing it outdoors is safer than indoors. And it is likely that any virus (assuming the other player is infected) will dissapate. But I was identifying it as a possible transmission point. For people looking to minimize exposure, I would say to consider not changing ends. If there are no sun/wind issues, I don't see the need to change ends and risk it.

 

[Topspin Shot]

I play tennis outdoors, but I won't play indoors until the pandemic is over.

 

[J_R_B]

That's a good summary. I agree with all of that. It's pretty crazy that we have to even do these "calculations," but it is what it is. It's impossible to quantify risk, but everyone does their best at their own risk assessment.

To go back to what I was saying about changing ends; most certainly doing it outdoors is safer than indoors. And it is likely that any virus (assuming the other player is infected) will dissapate. But I was identifying it as a possible transmission point. For people looking to minimize exposure, I would say to consider not changing ends. If there are no sun/wind issues, I don't see the need to change ends and risk it.

I doubt changing sides is a big deal, but you aren't wrong, either. Changing ends indoors is basically a drink break and has nothing to do with conditions, so you can shave a tiny amount of risk by just taking a drink break every two games (with each person on opposite ends of the net posts) and going back to the same side.

 

[Chalkdust]

Nothing is completely risk free. Tennis is relatively low risk, but the risk level is going to be influenced by various factors such as:
- How many other people are involved. The more people, the larger the probability that one or more is sick.
- How much do you trust the people involved. Are they being cautious in their day to day activities, etc.
- How much interaction is happening between the people playing
- How well ventilated is the space being shared with others

For me personally, I feel comfortable playing outdoors with regulars, but would not feel comfortable playing a team-based league, especially if indoors.

 

[Dartagnan64]

Outdoor tennis of all sorts is virtually zero risk. Indoor tennis will depend on a number of factors that will gradually increase risk:
1) numbest of players in facility
2) are they all strangers or within your tennis bubble?
3) ventilation and airflow in facility
4) practices of the players to not show up if they are exposed or symptomatic

I've played indoors but only with family and friends. I've witnessed a number of people at the tennis club violating all sorts of public health guidelines in that time. Picking up stray balls, mingling by the benches, not hand sanitizing after play, sharing drinks together in large groups. So I have little trust in most of my fellow tennis players to play an indoor league with strangers. I will continue to play with friends only.

 

[kevrol]

I paid for my winter indoor slot. However I may not play. Just want to make sure we have that same slot a year from now.

 

[sureshs]

@Cindysphinx Hey Cindy what is your opinion on women shoving the balls up the same place as always? Do you think a new normal is needed? They are still doing that at the club now.

Or does it not matter because it is not near a source of spreading?

 

[zipplock]

/\/\/\
Suresh is a trouble maker.....

 

[sureshs]

/\/\/\
Suresh is a trouble maker.....

I am addressing medical issues and you make fun of me

 

[AlexSV]

Our indoor courts are fine and I don't notice a difference from the outdoor courts. There's not many people since the number of people is limited to who's playing during that hour. Tournaments have been different since there's a lot more traffic and people. I gave up on social distance during the last tournament since it was too busy at the club.

As for your league, I think it comes down to their restrictions on spectators, staggered arrivals and other factors to limit the number of people there at any time.

 

[Cashman]

@Cindysphinx Hey Cindy what is your opinion on women shoving the balls up the same place as always? Do you think a new normal is needed? They are still doing that at the club now.

Or does it not matter because it is not near a source of spreading?

I see you’re fighting that stereotype about Indians being sex pests

 

[zaskar1]

I did some actual research, to the extent my feeble brain can absorb it.

They know the virus is transmitted in little droplets. But that is not the same as True airborne Transmission. Airborne transmission is whether the virus can hang around in the air entirely On its own, without the help is someone’s breath or spit. And the virus has to survive in that state long enough and strong enough to infect a person. If this virus is spread by true airborne transmission, then we’re all going to get it, and skipping tennis won’t make the difference. (Real scientists, feel free to correct me, but that’s the best that I ca do.)

A lot of things would have to go wrong for me to be playing Indoor doubles near someone who has the virus, for me to contract it, and for me to get sick enough for it to be a big problem. So I’ll risk it. And if this is how I go out, well . . . At least I was doing something more fun than buying groceries or commuting to work.

here in norcal, league play is out until further notice, however our club has been open since mid may, first only playing members of your same household
now pretty much open. we are suppose to use our own balls, and the benches are turned upside down and the gates open so no touching.
we have to maskup to get in.
we only play fun tennis, its competitive, but no one counts the wins and losses.
since we dont have indoor courts, i am not sure what i would do if only indoor was available in the midst of this pandemic. i would like to say i would
give up tennis for a while.
i definitely understand the tennis "withdrawl" issue, as times were tough when the club was closed in march and april

CS you need to make the best decision for you and stay safe.

z

 

[McLovin]

Or does it not matter because it is not near a source of spreading?

After 27 years of marriage, I can verify that where women hold tennis balls is nowhere near a source of spreading...

 

[sureshs]

I see you’re fighting that stereotype about Indians being sex pests

At this time, we should not be cracking jokes but instead focusing on the world-wide medical challenge

 

[sureshs]

After 27 years of marriage, I can verify that where women hold tennis balls is nowhere near a source of spreading...

When we started out at the club after reopening, we had to use our own cans, return others' balls without touching by hand, and use the hand sanitizer tied to every court gate. One guy mistakenly picked up a ball and put it into his pocket, and then spent 10 minutes trying to take it out without using his hands (basically shaking all the other parts of his shorts in the hope that the ball falls out, which it did).

Since then, we seem to have gone back to the old ways very quickly.

The "no socializing" rule after sessions has been bypassed by groups of guys sitting on benches in the park inside which the courts are, and drinking without any masks.

Just watch - everywhere there will be a sanitizer installed and life will go back to normal with everyone quite pleased about the extra hygiene.

 

[Cashman]

At this time, we should not be cracking jokes but instead focusing on the world-wide medical challenge

If you weren’t joking that’s even more concerning

 

[Cindysphinx]

Well, it looks like I’m not going to risk it after all.

I was going to cocaptain trilevel, but we have decided not to field a team. Matches would be indoors, which was a dealbreaker for some players.

But the death knell is the governor’s order that masks be worn indoors. We’re not seeing an exception for indoor tennis. So that would be two hours of huffing around trying to play with fabric on my face.

As I told my cocaptains, we were starting this new team to have fun. Playing in a mask and worrying about the virus will not be fun. So we will try again for fall 2021.

Still not sure about my combo and mixed teams . . .

 

[Cashman]

C-c-c-combo breaker!

 

[WilPro]

It's possible. If there is no wind, for sure it's possible. Especially on games without long changeover periods.

Try that with a fart. Eat some beans and onions and eggs. Fart as much as you can. Go out there and serve. After your game is finished go back and smell. I think you won't feel the smell from one point to another but from one game to another there is no chance.

If you cannot feel a fart then definitely your breath is impossible to be there. Seriously, what you really need is a psychiatrist.

 

[beltsman]

Try that with a fart. Eat some beans and onions and eggs. Fart as much as you can. Go out there and serve. After your game is finished go back and smell. I think you won't feel the smell from one point to another but from one game to another there is no chance.

If you cannot feel a fart then definitely your breath is impossible to be there. Seriously, what you really need is a psychiatrist.

Classy.

 

[WilPro]

Classy.

efficient and eloquent.

 

[tennytive]

Playing one game with a mask on is like playing 3 games without. Definitely notice a difference.

 

[silentkman]

Well, it looks like I’m not going to risk it after all.

I was going to cocaptain trilevel, but we have decided not to field a team. Matches would be indoors, which was a dealbreaker for some players.

But the death knell is the governor’s order that masks be worn indoors. We’re not seeing an exception for indoor tennis. So that would be two hours of huffing around trying to play with fabric on my face.

As I told my cocaptains, we were starting this new team to have fun. Playing in a mask and worrying about the virus will not be fun. So we will try again for fall 2021.

Still not sure about my combo and mixed teams . . .

I know you live in the DMV, are you saying that all indoor league matches must have a mask. is this on the website anywhere?

 

[sureshs]

I know you live in the DMV, are you saying that all indoor league matches must have a mask. is this on the website anywhere?

google it man

Mayor’s Order 2020-080: Wearing of Masks in the District of Columbia To Prevent the Spread of COVID-19
GOVERNMENT OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUANCE SYSTEM

Mayor’s Order 2020-080
July 22, 2020
SUBJECT: Wearing of Masks in the District of Columbia To Prevent the Spread of COVID-19

INDOOR WEARING OF MASKS
Except as specified in Section IV of this Order:
1. Persons must wear a mask in the common areas of apartments, condominiums and cooperatives.
2. Businesses, office buildings, and other establishments open to members of the public shall post signage on their exterior doors stating that a person may not enter unless the person is wearing a mask. In addition, the business, office building, or other establishment shall exclude or attempt to eject persons who are not wearing masks or who remove their required masks.
3. Employers shall provide masks to their employees.

OUTDOOR AND TRANSIT-RELATED WEARING OF MASKS
Except as specified in Section IV of this Order:
1. Persons leaving their residences shall wear a mask when they are likely to come into contact with another person, such as being within six feet of another person for more than a fleeting time; and
2. Persons who are operating or a passenger in a taxi or a vehicle that is part of a Transportation Network Company, or who are a passenger on or operator of any form of public transit in the District, including a bus, subway, streetcar, shuttle bus or van, or school bus, must wear a mask at all such times.

EXCEPTIONS
1. Wearing a mask is not required when:
a. A person is a resident or guest in a private home or apartment;
b. A person is actually eating, drinking, or legally smoking;
c. A person is engaged in vigorous outdoor exercise and is maintaining social distance of at least six (6) feet from each other person;
d. A person is in the water at a swimming pool;
e. A person is in an enclosed office that no one else is permitted to enter;
f. A person is aged two (2) years old or younger;
g. A person is unable to wear a mask due to a medical condition or disability, or is physically unable to remove a mask;
h. A person is giving a speech for broadcast or an audience, provided no one is within six feet of the speaker;
i. A deaf or hard of hearing person needs to read the lips of a speaker;
j. The equipment required for a job precludes the wearing of a mask and the person is wearing that equipment, or when wearing a mask would endanger public safety;
k. A person has been lawfully asked to remove the mask for facial recognition purposes.

 

[silentkman]

google it man

Mayor’s Order 2020-080: Wearing of Masks in the District of Columbia To Prevent the Spread of COVID-19
GOVERNMENT OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
ADMINISTRATIVE ISSUANCE SYSTEM

Mayor’s Order 2020-080
July 22, 2020
SUBJECT: Wearing of Masks in the District of Columbia To Prevent the Spread of COVID-19

INDOOR WEARING OF MASKS
Except as specified in Section IV of this Order:
1. Persons must wear a mask in the common areas of apartments, condominiums and cooperatives.
2. Businesses, office buildings, and other establishments open to members of the public shall post signage on their exterior doors stating that a person may not enter unless the person is wearing a mask. In addition, the business, office building, or other establishment shall exclude or attempt to eject persons who are not wearing masks or who remove their required masks.
3. Employers shall provide masks to their employees.

OUTDOOR AND TRANSIT-RELATED WEARING OF MASKS
Except as specified in Section IV of this Order:
1. Persons leaving their residences shall wear a mask when they are likely to come into contact with another person, such as being within six feet of another person for more than a fleeting time; and
2. Persons who are operating or a passenger in a taxi or a vehicle that is part of a Transportation Network Company, or who are a passenger on or operator of any form of public transit in the District, including a bus, subway, streetcar, shuttle bus or van, or school bus, must wear a mask at all such times.

EXCEPTIONS
1. Wearing a mask is not required when:
a. A person is a resident or guest in a private home or apartment;
b. A person is actually eating, drinking, or legally smoking;
c. A person is engaged in vigorous outdoor exercise and is maintaining social distance of at least six (6) feet from each other person;
d. A person is in the water at a swimming pool;
e. A person is in an enclosed office that no one else is permitted to enter;
f. A person is aged two (2) years old or younger;
g. A person is unable to wear a mask due to a medical condition or disability, or is physically unable to remove a mask;
h. A person is giving a speech for broadcast or an audience, provided no one is within six feet of the speaker;
i. A deaf or hard of hearing person needs to read the lips of a speaker;
j. The equipment required for a job precludes the wearing of a mask and the person is wearing that equipment, or when wearing a mask would endanger public safety;
k. A person has been lawfully asked to remove the mask for facial recognition purposes.

Dude, this only applies to the District. The DMV encompasses the District of Columbia, the State of Maryland and the commonwealth of Virginia. sheesh, everybody has to have an attitude when writing something.

 

[beltsman]

efficient and eloquent.

Thank you

 

[Cindysphinx]

Yeah, I don’t know what’s happening in DC and VA. I just can’t keep up with the shifting decrees. There have been so many, especially with the county.

But that is what a cocaptain said. Plus her concern that maskless play would be too risky. And unless all three of us agree, this can’t happen.

 

[Cindysphinx]

yup, no mask exception for indoor facilities.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/exec/Resources/Files/orders/087-20.pdf

 

[tomato123]

I know you live in the DMV, are you saying that all indoor league matches must have a mask. is this on the website anywhere?

On the website to reserve courts for Cabin John and Wheaton indoor courts, there's a box that says masks must be worn at all times including when playing. I used to be able to get a few time slots during rainy days or 90+ heat days where I could reserve an hour before to give myself the best chance to have open courts next to mine or literally be the only active court in the building. But not going to bother if I have to wear a mask while playing.