What do you think about NOT having children?

chrischris

G.O.A.T.
Isnt 75 percent of even more relationships and environment and 25 or 20%genetic?
In which case, we have a lot of 'control/freedom' to handle and make our kids happy and stuff.
 
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Midaso240

Legend
Oh that was not my point at all. Its not "how they turn out" but "how they are born". My biggest, biggest fear is having kids that are born unhealthy. Its my largest paranoia in life. You may be the greatest of parents on earth but there is nothing that can come off of it. Your child will most probably outlive you and then how do things work out? I had one such second cousin whose mum was single handedly taking care of her and whose other children kind of abandoned them. The mother passed. The daughter was not fully functional to care for herself. She was left all alone and that loss hit her so bad that she rapidly deteriorated and a year later she, if I may say so, thankfully passed too. That's where I was coming from. Things don't work themselves out in this scenario and this is one example - I have many more where its just as tragic or more.
This is probably what will happen to me too sadly, I've never built any sort of life for myself independent of my parents. I'll probably just die some way or another shortly after they're gone
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
Premise 1- Parenting well requires a certain amount of motivation and skill

Fact 2- Some will never enough of one or both.

Premise 3- Some will develop skills over time such they while they might be terrible parents when young adults but could be great parents at a later time.
Premise 1 - your forgot love & some luck - good parenting IMO needs some of those qualities and the skill element is acquired on the job. Agree with motivation, although I would rephrase that as desire, a little more passionate of a description for me.

Fact 2 - this is true although the circumstances behind who is successful in society's view of good parenting is very subjective.

Premise 3 - Agree - age and experience bring wisdom - in most cases.

I'll add that you never stop learning and despite your kids age you can always provide help, support and love.
 

Razer

Legend
If you have no children/heirs then what is your purpose on this earth ?

To eat, drink, work like a mule, play sports, then grow old and then die ?

What do you leave behind and what is your aim at accumulating wealth if that is gonna be donated to someone random?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
If you have no children/heirs then what is your purpose on this earth ?

To eat, drink, work like a mule, play sports, then grow old and then die ?

What do you leave behind and what is your aim at accumulating wealth if that is gonna be donated to someone random?
I will leave behind a legacy of bringing joy to people through racket sports.
 

naturalexponent

Hall of Fame
I have kids, but I encourage everyone to step outside on a nice day, breathe, and feel the wind on your skin. There is purpose and joy to merely existing and being, beyond having a 'legacy' that is dependent on others remembering you.
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
If you have no children/heirs then what is your purpose on this earth ?

To eat, drink, work like a mule, play sports, then grow old and then die ?

What do you leave behind and what is your aim at accumulating wealth if that is gonna be donated to someone random?
what is so special about humans? Every animal eats, drinks, sleeps, mates etc. Human intelligence lies in the choices man makes. Money can be used for glorious causes. You can build hospitals, you can help for medical research, establish academic scholarships etc. Why should money be given only to your children?

Looking for human purpose is highly individual and different things provide satisfaction to different people in various ways and not just by breeding although there is nothing wrong with that choice. The best is to allow individuals (and couples) to make their own choice. That's the hallmark of a mature society.
 

Razer

Legend
what is so special about humans? Every animal eats, drinks, sleeps, mates etc. Human intelligence lies in the choices man makes. Money can be used for glorious causes. You can build hospitals, you can help for medical research, establish academic scholarships etc. Why should money be given only to your children?

Looking for human purpose is highly individual and different things provide satisfaction to different people in various ways and not just by breeding although there is nothing wrong with that choice. The best is to allow individuals (and couples) to make their own choice. That's the hallmark of a mature society.

Humans were created by ancient alien gods and so the extra intelligence we have is given to us for a purpose, the purpose is to migrate to the stars, spread in the universe etc etc... So for all that we have to have kids. Animals cannot move to other planets/stars, but man can, then man can take animals with it as well... Humans rule earth, it is a responsibility, not a random fluke which should be throw away.

Secondly, having kids is the greatest joy on earth, creating a human life inside you, women often say that creating a life inside is the most special feeling they've had, you think it is nonsense ? Plus when people have kids, they hold the kid in their hands and feel satisfied, happy, even selfish people become selfless when it comes to children.... why is that ? It is what is natural.

What good are hospitals if we don't have kids born in it ? What good is building a school if no kids to teach there? What good are academic patents? Somebody else would also discover/invent those patents if we don't, is that a big deal ? All these things only have relevance if humans procreate.

See if someone cannot reproduce due to birth defects or some health issues then it can be considered as the will of God ..... no worries.... but if we have a gift and we don't wish to explore it, then what is our purpose on this earth ? Elon Musk's dad says that only reason why humans are on this earth is to procreate, he is right in some way you know.

Yes society gives us freedom to do anything,nobody will arrest us if we dont have kids or marry, but end of the day if we have a gift (we are fertile) and we choose to waste it then it means we are living an aimless life with no contribution on the cosmic scale... :cautious:
 

Razer

Legend
Lets say Person A is more knowledgeable and a bigger achiever in life than person B

Now Person A decides to not have kids and gives away his/her wealth
Person B decides to have 2 kids who will have grandkids and so on

In future person B's grandkids might become athletes/scientists/someone significant who makes a change in the lives of people in a big way.

So who has a bigger legacy and who is more significant for this earth ? Person B, isn't it ?

Unless destiny stops you from having kids, everyone should have at least 1 kid, or else what is the aim of earning money or even living? To walk in the sun? To feel the rain ? everyone does that... whats so special ?
 

Razer

Legend
Why should money be given only to your children?

Who else should the money go to ? Are we earning money to give away to some random stranger ? why even work so hard? :p

Of course kids should get their inheritance, they decide what they do with it, that is the whole aim of it.
 

Razer

Legend
Another example :-

Indian Film Director Karan Johar is Gay.... but he had kids via surrogacy ... why is that ? .... It is because he understands every king/queen needs an heir ... his sexual preferences is another thing, he has no interest in women but he knows his role in society ... his true contribution is not to films... it is his legacy after he dies.... his kids will continue it... who knows maybe his grand kids or great grand kids might become tennis legends ? ..... we never know... kids provide HOPE... it is important to love kids and also have them... this is life.... cannot run away from it.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Humans were created by ancient alien gods and so the extra intelligence we have is given to us for a purpose, the purpose is to migrate to the stars, spread in the universe etc etc... So for all that we have to have kids. Animals cannot move to other planets/stars, but man can, then man can take animals with it as well... Humans rule earth, it is a responsibility, not a random fluke which should be throw away.

Secondly, having kids is the greatest joy on earth, creating a human life inside you, women often say that creating a life inside is the most special feeling they've had, you think it is nonsense ? Plus when people have kids, they hold the kid in their hands and feel satisfied, happy, even selfish people become selfless when it comes to children.... why is that ? It is what is natural.

What good are hospitals if we don't have kids born in it ? What good is building a school if no kids to teach there? What good are academic patents? Somebody else would also discover/invent those patents if we don't, is that a big deal ? All these things only have relevance if humans procreate.

See if someone cannot reproduce due to birth defects or some health issues then it can be considered as the will of God ..... no worries.... but if we have a gift and we don't wish to explore it, then what is our purpose on this earth ? Elon Musk's dad says that only reason why humans are on this earth is to procreate, he is right in some way you know.

Yes society gives us freedom to do anything,nobody will arrest us if we dont have kids or marry, but end of the day if we have a gift (we are fertile) and we choose to waste it then it means we are living an aimless life with no contribution on the cosmic scale... :cautious:
Another view is that human life is mostly suffering and so we should not bring more people into the suffering.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Another example :-

Indian Film Director Karan Johar is Gay.... but he had kids via surrogacy ... why is that ? .... It is because he understands every king/queen needs an heir ... his sexual preferences is another thing, he has no interest in women but he knows his role in society ... his true contribution is not to films... it is his legacy after he dies.... his kids will continue it... who knows maybe his grand kids or great grand kids might become tennis legends ? ..... we never know... kids provide HOPE... it is important to love kids and also have them... this is life.... cannot run away from it.
Karan Johar is rich by himself and through his father Yash Johar. He has enough money to provide for many children. Just because he has the means and the desire to continue the Johar name doesn't mean others have any such desire. Why are you so bothered with what other people do?
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
Legacy is meaningless because you will not be around to know what happened.
Your legacy is incredibly meaningful for those that survive you - and it could be your kid that contributes something remarkable. Alexander Flemings discovery of penicillin changed the world with previously fatal infections then being treated with ease - countless lives being saved - each one with its own legacy to leave. He's a very famous example but there are millions that pass to leave remarkable legacies, admittedly some not always positive. To suggest they are meaningless because you will not be around to experience it is strange. The legacy is experienced by those that follow.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Your legacy is incredibly meaningful for those that survive you - and it could be your kid that contributes something remarkable. Alexander Flemings discovery of penicillin changed the world with previously fatal infections then being treated with ease - countless lives being saved - each one with its own legacy to leave. He's a very famous example but there are millions that pass to leave remarkable legacies, admittedly some not always positive. To suggest they are meaningless because you will not be around to experience it is strange. The legacy is experienced by those that follow.
All such feelings are there only when you are alive. They don't matter after you die. You are responding to my post only because you are living and thinking about this.
 

3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
All such feelings are there only when you are alive. They don't matter after you die. You are responding to my post only because you are living and thinking about this.
If you look beyond you you'll see the significance. Yours might be the elite 3.5 level internet tennis instruction who knows?
 

Razer

Legend
All such feelings are there only when you are alive. They don't matter after you die. You are responding to my post only because you are living and thinking about this.

Just because we won't be around to know what legacy we will have 150 years from now doesn't mean legacy is not important.

Even a poor laborer working in a third world country can have kids who might study hard, migrate to developed countries and later their kids or kid of kids might become president 1 day, or maybe might becomes a revolutionary scientist/astronaut. So this is legacy, it will matter eventually. It is better than having nobody to continue the line.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Just because we won't be around to know what legacy we will have 150 years from now doesn't mean legacy is not important.

Even a poor laborer working in a third world country can have kids who might study hard, migrate to developed countries and later their kids or kid of kids might become president 1 day, or maybe might becomes a revolutionary scientist/astronaut. So this is legacy, it will matter eventually. It is better than having nobody to continue the line.
He might become a Hitler too. What is the guarantee?
 

naturalexponent

Hall of Fame
Just because we won't be around to know what legacy we will have 150 years from now doesn't mean legacy is not important.

Even a poor laborer working in a third world country can have kids who might study hard, migrate to developed countries and later their kids or kid of kids might become president 1 day, or maybe might becomes a revolutionary scientist/astronaut. So this is legacy, it will matter eventually. It is better than having nobody to continue the line.
But is this what your aliens want?
 

Razer

Legend
Sorry what? You believe in ancient-astronauts? This stuff is rejected by all serious scientists and academics.

The Sumerian Tablets are not fake, the ancient astronauts are very real, the concept of worshiping some invisible God did not emerge out of thin air, it originated from the sky when they arrived on earth and genetically modified DNA of apes to human beings, possibly for cheap labor, they wanted to mine resources from the earth. In any case, the theory of evolution is fake, humanity did not randomly evolve like that, the Gods created us 200K+ years ago by modifying the DNA of apes because that was the closest species that could converted into an intelligent one to rule the earth.
 
The Sumerian Tablets are not fake, the ancient astronauts are very real, the concept of worshiping some invisible God did not emerge out of thin air, it originated from the sky when they arrived on earth and genetically modified DNA of apes to human beings, possibly for cheap labor, they wanted to mine resources from the earth. In any case, the theory of evolution is fake, humanity did not randomly evolve like that, the Gods created us 200K+ years ago by modifying the DNA of apes because that was the closest species that could converted into an intelligent one to rule the earth.
If they created us 200k+ years ago why did it take roughly 190k more years for the first known civilisations to emerge in Sumer and ancient Egypt? What is maybe possible is that there are older civilisations who we don’t know about and who were destroyed by floods or earthquakes but whose ‘survivors’ brought some knowledge to less civilised cultures and were therefore seen as “gods” (which could explain the tendency of seemingly unrelated cultures in different parts of the world to build pyramids or other similar constructions). Anywho there were no aliens involved, there is already enough research to basically rule out that there is any planet allowing life to evolve, anywhere close enough that they could ever reach us. Those theories from Erich von Däniken and other clown authors who wrote about ancient astronauts have long been debunked.
 
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3loudboys

G.O.A.T.
I am sitting with an old TV in my bedroom. It has long antennas. Do you think I will receive transmissions?
I hope so, you would make an excellent choice for humanities representative for first contact. Hope they don’t mind the commercial breaks.
 

Razer

Legend
If they created us 200k+ years ago why did it take roughly 190k more years for the first known civilisations to emerge in Sumer and ancient Egypt? What is maybe possible is that there are older civilisations who we don’t know about and who were destroyed by floods or earthquakes but whose ‘survivors’ brought some knowledge to less civilised cultures and were therefore seen as “gods” (which could explain the tendency of seemingly unrelated cultures in different parts of the world to build pyramids or other similar constructions). Anywho there were no aliens involved, there is already enough research to basically rule out that there is any planet allowing life to evolve, anywhere close enough that they could ever reach us. Those theories from Erik von Däniken and other clown authors who wrote about ancient astronauts have long been debunked.

Yes older civilizations were destroyed by floods, earthquakes, asteroids and many things. It has happened quite a few times.

What research ? Who are these people doing research and debunking these theories ? Have they been alive for millennia to debunk? Science is not perfect, a lot of it is flawed. Don't believe everything said by scientists, half of them are operating on best guess....The ancient texts of abrahamic religions, hinduism and many faiths talk of these floods and ancient God like aliens visiting earth, creating the first humans and educating them with morals and basic ways of leading life...all this is not fake.

Real scientists (people who invented important things in history) were all agnostic/religious, they had an open mind to the possibiity of Gods and what it means to be a creator, but we have modern day phony scientists with some little patents masquerating as atheists and talking nonsense on religions as if science has all the answers ??? No way buddy, I am not arrogant enough to disprove ancient aliens theory because that would mean taking an ostrich approach to life by saying we are alone in this universe, there is no god, just us.... that is nonsense.
 
What research ? Who are these people doing research and debunking these theories ? Have they been alive for millennia to debunk? Science is not perfect, a lot of it is flawed. Don't believe everything said by scientists, half of them are operating on best guess.
Research as done by physicists and astronomers who I would believe more than random self-made “book authors” who want to made good money by selling theories that sound interesting but are debunked after any half-serious scrutiny.
Yes older civilizations were destroyed by floods, earthquakes, asteroids and many things. It has happened quite a few times.
The ancient texts of abrahamic religions, hinduism and many faiths talk of these floods and ancient God like aliens visiting earth, creating the first humans and educating them with morals and basic ways of leading life...all this is not fake.
Exactly. Those people thought as Gods can well have been survivors/descendants of more advanced civilisations destroyed by floods, no need to bring aliens in there.
Real scientists (people who invented important things in history) were all agnostic/religious, they had an open mind to the possibiity of Gods and what it means to be a creator, but we have modern day phony scientists with some little patents masquerating as atheists and talking nonsense on religions as if science has all the answers ???
And? I am religious myself that does not mean that I believe in aliens visiting earth if that is very unlikely based on modern science.
No way buddy, I am not arrogant enough to disprove ancient aliens theory because that would mean taking an ostrich approach to life by saying we are alone in this universe, there is no god, just us.... that is nonsense.
I didn’t say we are alone in the universe. It is not impossible that there are aliens somewhere in the universe, however, for any planet being suitable for living species to exist, let alone intelligent species to evolve, so many things have to fall in place, that it is next to impossible that they live anywhere close enough to us to ever reach our planet.
In any case, the theory of evolution is fake, humanity did not randomly evolve like that,
If you don’t believe that humanity/intelligent species can evolve by itself but need to be created by others (aliens), your theory does not solve but only relocates that problem, as it wouldn’t explain how those alleged aliens could evolve into an intelligent species all by themselves. If they could do it why couldn’t humans do it?
 

Razer

Legend
Research as done by physicists and astronomers who I would believe more than random self-made “book authors” who want to made good money by selling theories that sound interesting but are debunked after any half-serious scrutiny.


Exactly. Those people thought as Gods can well have been survivors/descendants of more advanced civilisations destroyed by floods, no need to bring aliens in there.

And? I am religious myself that does not mean that I believe in aliens visiting earth if that is very unlikely based on modern science.

I didn’t say we are alone in the universe. It is not impossible that there are aliens somewhere in the universe, however, for any planet being suitable for living species to exist, let alone intelligent species to evolve, so many things have to fall in place, that it is next to impossible that they live anywhere close enough to us to ever reach our planet.

If you don’t believe that humanity/intelligent species can evolve by itself but need to be created by others (aliens), your theory does not solve but only relocates that problem, as it wouldn’t explain how those alleged aliens could evolve into an intelligent species all by themselves. If they could do it why couldn’t humans do it?

Aliens are our Gods (not actual god) who came to earth and genetically operate on apes to create Man. That is how Adam, Eve concept in Judaism, Manu concept in Hinduism all originated from. Texts written and words passed on for many millenia in the form of religion are all related to aliens, who else are the gods ?
Those aliens are not green aliens living in mars or in nearby stars on some planet ..... they are multidimensional travelers who exist in 5-6 dimensions and can perceive it. Their existence must be in such a form that we cannot even detect them, they might be around us but in such a evolved form that we cannot perceive them. For us time is a 1 way street, for them it must be a canyon that they can climb down into and up when they want. We cannot say aliens are not the gods who created us. Also these aliens need not be the gods who created the universe, that set of gods might be an even more advanced race of species which exist outside our multiverse nd actually control our faith. Science is not advanced enough to prove that these theories are wrong, so I will go with these theories which not just von danniken, even Michio Kaku believes.
 

Azure

G.O.A.T.
Research as done by physicists and astronomers who I would believe more than random self-made “book authors” who want to made good money by selling theories that sound interesting but are debunked after any half-serious scrutiny.


Exactly. Those people thought as Gods can well have been survivors/descendants of more advanced civilisations destroyed by floods, no need to bring aliens in there.

And? I am religious myself that does not mean that I believe in aliens visiting earth if that is very unlikely based on modern science.

I didn’t say we are alone in the universe. It is not impossible that there are aliens somewhere in the universe, however, for any planet being suitable for living species to exist, let alone intelligent species to evolve, so many things have to fall in place, that it is next to impossible that they live anywhere close enough to us to ever reach our planet.

If you don’t believe that humanity/intelligent species can evolve by itself but need to be created by others (aliens), your theory does not solve but only relocates that problem, as it wouldn’t explain how those alleged aliens could evolve into an intelligent species all by themselves. If they could do it why couldn’t humans do it?
Actually I too stopped believing in evolution theory after joining TT especially when reading GPPD.
 
Aliens are our Gods (not actual god) who came to earth and genetically operate on apes to create Man. That is how Adam, Eve concept in Judaism, Manu concept in Hinduism all originated from. Texts written and words passed on for many millenia in the form of religion are all related to aliens, who else are the gods ?
Those aliens are not green aliens living in mars or in nearby stars on some planet ..... they are multidimensional travelers who exist in 5-6 dimensions and can perceive it. Their existence must be in such a form that we cannot even detect them, they might be around us but in such an evolved form that we cannot perceive them. For us time is a 1 way street, for them it must be a canyon that they can climb down into and up when they want. We cannot say aliens are not the gods who created us. Also these aliens need not be the gods who created the universe, that set of gods might be an even more advanced race of species which exist outside our multiverse nd actually control our faith. Science is not advanced enough to prove that these theories are wrong, so I will go with these theories which not just von danniken, even Michio Kaku believes.
Let’s just disagree here. If you believe guys like von Däniken more than scientists so be it, no need to derail this thread by taking this further.
 

Razer

Legend
Let’s just disagree here. If you believe guys like von Däniken more than scientists so be it, no need to derail this thread by taking this further.

Scientists have not provided any proof convincing enough to suggest that aliens did not visit earth to create man / build pyramids etc etc, so why should we trust scientists?

We trust scientists on medicine, engineering and lot of stuffs, but not on history, I would trust religious texts and theories revolving around them. At least ancient aliens sound convincing enough.
 
Scientists have no provided any proof convincing enough to suggest that aliens did not visit earth to create man / build pyramids etc etc, so why should we trust scientists?
There are paintings and ancient Egyptian hieroglyph-texts writing about how pyramids were built, nothing mentioned or painted about alien-help. Scientists can prove on how unlikely it is that civilisations from other planets could ever visit us. Laws of physics are the same for them.
At least ancient aliens sounds convincing enough.
Yea, for me it doesn’t. Not at all.
 
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Razer

Legend
There are paintings and ancient Egyptian hieroglyph-texts writing about how pyramids were built nothing mentioned or painted about alien-help. Scientists can prove on how unlikely it is that civilisations from other planets could ever visit us. Laws of physics are the same for them.

Yea, for me it doesn’t. Not at all.

They are not necessarily civilizations from other planets, they must be inter-dimensional travelers from other realities. It is not like it is shown in movies that someone landing on a flying saucer and landing on earth, that is not how aliens are. Law of physics are same for everyone within the universe but not necessary that current level of physics knows to the exact extent of how the fabric of the universe behaves, a lot of things exist beyond our knowledge. Civilizations can fold space and time, they can perceive time different to us, the painting on the walls don't say for sure tat pyramids were man made. Even today building such structures is not easy, certainly back then those people did not know of such tech to build such things in the desert. It certainly is built from some sort of extra terrestrial help, even Elon Musk believes that and he has nothing to gain in monetary term by peddling lies unless he actually believes it,
 
They are not necessarily civilizations from other planets, they must be inter-dimensional travelers from other realities. It is not like it is shown in movies that someone landing on a flying saucer and landing on earth, that is not how aliens are. Law of physics are same for everyone within the universe but not necessary that current level of physics knows to the exact extent of how the fabric of the universe behaves, a lot of things exist beyond our knowledge. Civilizations can fold space and time, they can perceive time different to us, the painting on the walls don't say for sure tat pyramids were man made. Even today building such structures is not easy, certainly back then those people did not know of such tech to build such things in the desert. It certainly is built from some sort of extra terrestrial help, even Elon Musk believes that and he has nothing to gain in monetary term by peddling lies unless he actually believes it,
Von Däniken, Elon Musk, who is the next source we should believe more than scientists? Tsitsipas? It is ok let’s just agree to disagree, I don’t think we will see eye to eye on that one.
 
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