What kind of knot is this??

[bbulla]

This racquet came to me to be strung. It was a really poor job. Burn notches in the string bed from pulling the string through too fast, and even burn marks in the grommets!! This is the tie off knot on the short side mains. Not really tied in to anything. Seems more like a starting knot you might use doing badminton crosses. I have no idea....anyone??

Link to YouTube video here

 

[Wes]

@bbulla,

I watched your video.
I can't tell you specifically what that knot is - unless I had the opportunity to carefully untie it (basically, to reverse engineer how it was tied to begin with).
If you have footage of you slowly untying it, I might be able to tell what it was.

BTW, I've seen this same kind of shoddy work many times over myself.
Knots not tied around the anchor string... burn marks/grooves in the edges of the grommet channels... as well as many other things.

Of the racquets that I receive (if/when they were strung by someone other than myself), I would estimate that about 80% of them have at least one thing done wrong on them - oftentimes more than one.
There seems to be no end to the poor workmanship that can be found.

Check out the first 2 minutes here...

And the first 4 minutes here...

BTW, how long have you had your Prince 5000?

Cheers, Wes

 

[fritzhimself]

@bbulla

BTW, I've seen this same kind of shoddy work many times over myself.
Knots not tied around the anchor string...

Dear Wes - I don't want to take away your illusion, but there is nothing wrong with this knot.
Even Lucien Noguès uses this starting knot (9:55).
This is just a small hint..................friendship and have fun stringing.

 

[WYK]

One of those knots looks like a modified fisherman's knot.

 

[Irvin]

This is the tie off knot on the short side mains.

I find that hard to believe. How did the stringer get a tie off knot like that tight? Possible but a little more difficult to eliminate drawback. More than likely it is a starting knot unless there was only 2 knots. It is called a stop knot or a double overhand knot.

 

[Irvin]

Dear Wes - I don't want to take away your illusion, but there is nothing wrong with this knot.
Even Lucien Noguès uses this starting knot (9:55).
This is just a small hint..................friendship and have fun stringing.

Nice video thanks for posting.

 

[Irvin]

This racquet came to me to be strung. It was a really poor job. Burn notches in the string bed from pulling the string through too fast, and even burn marks in the grommets!! This is the tie off knot on the short side mains. Not really tied in to anything. Seems more like a starting knot you might use doing badminton crosses. I have no idea....anyone??

Link to YouTube video here

After looking a little closer that knot appears to be on the main tie off at the throat so it probably is a tie off. Also implying bottom up stringing. But unless you’re going to trying and duplicate it I would not try to understand it.

 

[bbulla]

After looking a little closer that knot appears to be on the main tie off at the throat so it probably is a tie off. Also implying bottom up stringing. But unless you’re going to trying and duplicate it I would not try to understand it.

No, as I said, it is the tie-off for the short side main. It really makes no sense especially since the finishing knot is a double half-hitch on the top cross....so bottom up crosses. The only thing I can think of is that they used it as a starting knot and did the mains from one side to the other?? But of course, that makes totally no sense at all, but it could explain the excessive burn marks on all the grommets by pulling basically the entires set of string through the whole racquet as fast as possible. But who knows....

 

[bbulla]

@bbulla,

I watched your video.
I can't tell you specifically what that knot is - unless I had the opportunity to carefully untie it (basically, to reverse engineer how it was tied to begin with).
If you have footage of you slowly untying it, I might be able to tell what it was.

BTW, I've seen this same kind of shoddy work many times over myself.
Knots not tied around the anchor string... burn marks/grooves in the edges of the grommet channels... as well as many other things.

Of the racquets that I receive (if/when they were strung by someone other than myself), I would estimate that about 80% of them have at least one thing done wrong on them - oftentimes more than one.
There seems to be no end to the poor workmanship that can be found.

Check out the first 2 minutes here...

And the first 4 minutes here...

BTW, how long have you had your Prince 5000?

Cheers, Wes

Hi,

Yes, the first two minutes of that first video is basically the same as this racquet. As mentioned to Irvin below, I personally think they used as a starting knot and did the mains from one side to the other. Could explain all the string burn marks on the grommets.....but just a theory. In the end, I guess it doesn't really matter.

As for my machine, I've had it probably about 8 or 9 years. I got it shortly after one of the last IART symposiums they used to have in Tampa. I tried out lots of machines and liked this one the best. I used to string on the old Prince machine this is based on...I forget the name....but I like how there isn't as much 'stuff' in the way as your stringing. And I've never had any problems with racquet 'deformation' by the lack of side supports. Been using this style for over 35 years now and it's never been an issue. I like the machine.

 

[bbulla]

Dear Wes - I don't want to take away your illusion, but there is nothing wrong with this knot.
Even Lucien Noguès uses this starting knot (9:55).
This is just a small hint..................friendship and have fun stringing.

Yes, but he's doing this knot as a starting knot for the crosses....not as a finishing knot on the mains. It's a totally different situation that what I am talking about.

 

[Irvin]

No, as I said, it is the tie-off for the short side main. It really makes no sense especially since the finishing knot is a double half-hitch on the top cross....so bottom up crosses. The only thing I can think of is that they used it as a starting knot and did the mains from one side to the other?? But of course, that makes totally no sense at all, but it could explain the excessive burn marks on all the grommets by pulling basically the entires set of string through the whole racquet as fast as possible. But who knows....

Yes, but he's doing this knot as a starting knot for the crosses....not as a finishing knot on the mains. It's a totally different situation that what I am talking about.

I think you were right the first time, the stringer used the knot as a starting knot for the mains not the crosses.

EDIT: A starting knot for the crosses implies 4 knots.