What was your favorite Michael Jackson song?

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Billy Joel, huh? The guy that won an AMA and 5 Grammies, that Billy Joel? I recall that violin great, Isaac Stern, expressed admiration of Joel's music. But then I suppose that Issac Stern's music sucked even more than Joel's or Jackson's.
 

tahiti

Professional
No one with such supernatural star status could ever be normal. Hallalujuah!

Favourite songs....too many...to match so many emotions & moods

You are not alone
Black or white
We are the world
Human nature
Earth song
They don't really care about us
Leave me alone
Another part of me - dance to every beat in this funky song and you understand what music is
Heal the world
You rock my world
 

heycal

Hall of Fame
Billy Joel, huh? The guy that won an AMA and 5 Grammies, that Billy Joel? I recall that violin great, Isaac Stern, expressed admiration of Joel's music. But then I suppose that Issac Stern's music sucked even more than Joel's or Jackson's.

I don't know Isaac Stern's music, or whether he has good or bad taste, but I do know most of Billy Joel and Michael Jackson's music sucks big time.

And are you honestly citing Grammies as evidence of talent?
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
I don't know Isaac Stern's music, or whether he has good or bad taste, but I do know most of Billy Joel and Michael Jackson's music sucks big time.

And are you honestly citing Grammies as evidence of talent?

The AMA and the Grammy awards are evidence that music consumers and the music industry have recognized B Joel and MJ as worthwhile artists and, as a whole, do not share your contempt for their music. Granted, the Grammy awards are something of a self-serving event for the music industry.
 

heycal

Hall of Fame
Granted, the Grammy awards are something of a self-serving event for the music industry.

If you make points like this, what's left for me to rebut?

Billy Joel and MJ write and perform crap songs. If you like -- or Isaac Stern likes -- their songs, you like crap songs. They will never be in a league with the great rock and roll artists and pop singers. The fact that they won some grammys impresses me not at all. If anything, it hurts their credibility. I think the grammys are more of a joke than the oscars. ("Lord of the Rings" best movie of the year...) I'm not sure of examples off the top of my head, but don't the grammys historically give awards to guys like, say, Englebert Humperdink, instead of the Beatles?
 
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jmverdugo

Hall of Fame
Not me. I actually found his personality much more interesting than his music. Almost all the songs after "Ben" were pretty dreadful if you ask me. I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than listen to "Beat it", "rock with you", "thriller", and "Billie Jean". His music is even worse than Billy Joel's, and that's saying something.

EDIT: Actually, this one is not horrible at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvYygjcMDdQ&feature=related

I guess you have a very odd concept off what "Good Music" is. If you put together 100 musicians and ask them about MJ or BJ music, 90 of the 100 will tell you they have great music, but of course there is no absolute truth regarding to taste.
 

heycal

Hall of Fame
I guess you have a very odd concept off what "Good Music" is. If you put together 100 musicians and ask them about MJ or BJ music, 90 of the 100 will tell you they have great music, but of course there is no absolute truth regarding to taste.

Most definitely not. If you put together 100 musicians and asked them to compare the music of MJ and Joel to those of other rock and pop singers, I doubt either of them would fare well. I'd say you have the numbers backwards -- 90 out of 100 do not think much of their songs, while 10 might say they have great music.

In MJ's case, there is a wrinkle, in that he was genuinely a talented entertainer in terms of dancing and showmanship and music videos. But strictly musically? His actual songs? His stuff is mostly trash meant for tweens, girls, and gay guys, and his big hits are not likely to favorably impress 90 out of 100 musicians.

In fact, let's poll it right now!

Which of the following sounds like the worst form of torture:

1) Being stuck on a desert island with only a recording of "Billie Jean".

2) Being stuck on a desert island with only a recording of "Uptown Girl".

3) Being stuck on a desert island and being waterboarded daily.

I'll going to think this one over, and then cast my vote. I recommend others do the same.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
Really? That might be better than being stuck with "Beat it" or "We didn't start the fire", don't you think? You may want to reconsider...

"We Didn't Start the Fire"! I could definitely handle that. To my mind that one is a true masterpiece (yup, some critics hated it while others loved it). Perhaps post-boomers can't identify with it as much as boomers do. Love the historical references of the 40 yrs from the 1950s thru the 80s. This very clever, "stream of consciousness" piece of music is rather unique in both form & content.

There are very few other pieces in rock that can compare. Perhaps the closest, in style, are Bob Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues" or REM's "It's the End of the World As We Know it". A somewhat similar musical style might also be found in some Broadway musicals as well as in "basso buffo" in the operatic domain.

Joel himself is a very talented & creative songwriter-musician who defies classification since his influences & style are so varied. The man is a poet & a true Renaissance man. In concert & recordings, he plays all manner of keyboards, guitar, accordian, clarinet, harmonica and, of course, vocal chords. In his music we find strong elements of rock, jazz, folk, 50s doo wop, blues, pop, Broadway & classical (esp Bach, Mozart & Beethoven). The many influences found in his music also include Lennon-McCartney and Ray Charles.

In the past decade, he's delved quite a bit more into his classical roots. I particularly enjoy his Invention in C minor -- it's about a minute & a half into the youtube clip below. This Masterclass presentation also includes a Mozart-esque rendering of "Uptown Girls".

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZmSSm_RKbI
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heycal

Hall of Fame
"We Didn't Start the Fire"! I could definitely handle that. To my mind that one is a true masterpiece (yup, some critics hated it while others loved it). Perhaps post-boomers can't identify with it as much as boomers do. Love the historical references of the 40 yrs from the 1950s thru the 80s. This very clever, "stream of consciousness" piece of music is rather unique in both form & content.

There are very few other pieces in rock that can compare. Perhaps the closest, in style, are Bob Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues" or REM's "It's the End of the World As We Know it". A somewhat similar musical style might also be found in some Broadway musicals as well as in "basso buffo" in the operatic domain.

Joel himself is a very talented & creative songwriter-musician who defies classification since his influences & style are so varied. The man is a poet & a true Renaissance man. In concert & recordings, he plays all manner of keyboards, guitar, accordian, clarinet, harmonica and, of course, vocal chords. In his music we find strong elements of rock, jazz, folk, 50s doo wop, blues, pop, Broadway & classical (esp Bach, Mozart & Beethoven). The many influences found in his music also include Lennon-McCartney and Ray Charles.

In the past decade, he's delved quite a bit more into his classical roots. I particularly enjoy his Invention in C minor -- it's about a minute & a half into the youtube clip below. This Masterclass presentation also includes a Mozart-esque rendering of "Uptown Girls".

Anyone else familiar with the scenes in the film "American Pyscho" where the crazy lead character waxes rhapsodic about such lame acts like Phil Collins and Huey Lewis and the News before he kills his victims?

Here is one of those monologues (with some off-color material removed.) Sound familiar?

"Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums... Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument... In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.... Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds... But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite."
 
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joshburger

Guest
thriller, beat it, man in the mirror, billy jean, and some of the jackson 5 songs i like such as abc, i want you back, and il be there. r.i.p.
 

Andres

G.O.A.T.
His music may be crap, heycal, but at least, 750 million people who ever bought one of his albums disagree with you

750 million

That's 750,000,000

I think your opinion a bit challenged.
 

heycal

Hall of Fame
His music may be crap, heycal, but at least, 750 million people who ever bought one of his albums disagree with you

750 million

That's 750,000,000

I think your opinion a bit challenged.

I'd say his popularity proves my point more than refutes it. The masses are not known for their good taste in music, film, literature, etc. By this measure, Jurassic Park is a better movie than Citizen Kane because it sells more.
 
I'd say his popularity proves my point more than refutes it. The masses are not known for their good taste in music, film, literature, etc. By this measure, Jurassic Park is a better movie than Citizen Kane because it sells more.

To be honest Id rather watch Jurassic Park. And im not playing devils advocate here. What I expect out of a film is entertainment, which is much different then what I expect out fo music (although sometimes entertainment is apart of it, ie dancing, hanging out with girls).
 

heycal

Hall of Fame
To be honest Id rather watch Jurassic Park. And im not playing devils advocate here. What I expect out of a film is entertainment, which is much different then what I expect out fo music (although sometimes entertainment is apart of it, ie dancing, hanging out with girls).

Citizen Kane is pretty entertaining. It's a good movie, not just 'good for you'.

But Jurassic Park, as I recall, was none of the above.
 
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