What would benefit Nadal and Djokovic the most. Olympic gold, USO or WTF

Rafa the King

Hall of Fame
If they both were to only win one (I know improbable, specially Rafa) which one would help their legacy the most and in what order.
I think getting one more slam, specially outside RG, would be just massive. Slams are by far the most important things, kinda irrelevant to discuss but you never know, some think olympic gold means more

Then we have olympic gold (in singles) he'd be the first ever and one has to wonder how much an OG means. Nole described it as his most important goal of 2016 and some have placed it above a slam.

WTF is still missing from his trophy cabinet and eventhough I don't think history would critisize him heavily for not having one, he'd stillbe achieving something which is only second to slams (third if you place Olympics above WTF)

What I certainly don't agree with people calling the WTF and Olympics a glorified exho. Specially the Olympics. People come to give everything for their country and it means a hell of a lot to them. Just look at their reactions when winning and losing.

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Tiki-Taka

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Knowing how his country means so much to him, Djokovic personally would probably take the Olympic Gold over anything else this year. The US Open though is much more valuable, as its a Grand Slam and probably the only one where Novak might feel like he has partially underachieved so far.

Nadal has already done a solid job at Slams outside of Roland Garros, so I guess he would like to win the trophy he is missing - WTF.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Djokovic cried so badly when he lost to Andy Murray after the last Olympics .

I hope he makes up for that terrible loss this time around
 

Navdeep Srivastava

Hall of Fame
Djokovic- Us > Wtf > OG
Rafa - WTF> US > OG.
I am not Serbian so for me OG is least important, us open means Novak wins three slam and WTF at least three times.
Rafa badly needs WTF to complete his resume, he is only atg who has not won any tour final , just remembered Wilander is another one but apart from these two every 6+ slam winner has tour finals.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Djokovic has already won the USO and WTF a few times. He is not going to cross Fed or Connors 5 USO.

WTF is an exho these days.

Olympics has been steadily increasing in its worth and it will be regarded on par with majors in the future


So it is a no brainer that Novak should put his best to get that elusive gold
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
If they both were to only win one (I know improbable, specially Rafa) which one would help their legacy the most and in what order.
I think getting one more slam, specially outside RG, would be just massive. Slams are by far the most important things, kinda irrelevant to discuss but you never know, some think olympic gold means more

Then we have olympic gold (in singles) he'd be the first ever and one has to wonder how much an OG means. Nole described it as his most important goal of 2016 and some have placed it above a slam.

WTF is still missing from his trophy cabinet and eventhough I don't think history would critisize him heavily for not having one, he'd stillbe achieving something which is only second to slams (third if you place Olympics above WTF)

What I certainly don't agree with people calling the WTF and Olympics a glorified exho. Specially the Olympics. People come to give everything for their country and it means a hell of a lot to them. Just look at their reactions when winning and losing.

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For djokovic Olympic gold.

Nadal has achieved everything, there is nothing left. WTF are an irrelevance. Purely a money spinner for the ATP.

Nobody remembers how many WTF players have. Ive no clue how many becker or edberg or mcenroe or Connors or lendl won. Has murray got one or two?

I rarely watch the wtf. As far as im concerned the tennis season is over when USO finishes
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
Djokovic- Us > Wtf > OG
Rafa - WTF> US > OG.
I am not Serbian so for me OG is least important, us open means Novak wins three slam and WTF at least three times.
Rafa badly needs WTF to complete his resume, he is only atg who has not won any tour final , just remembered Wilander is another one but apart from these two every 6+ slam winner has tour finals.
Mate hate to burst your bubble but wtf are an irrelevance. Players value masters 1000 over wtf. Delpotro and davydenko have said so openly in the past. Becker in his book was very dismissive to wtf. He only bothered as in his day it was in Germany!!
 

CYGS

Legend
For djokovic Olympic gold.

Nadal has achieved everything, there is nothing left. WTF are an irrelevance. Purely a money spinner for the ATP.

Nobody remembers how many WTF players have. Ive no clue how many becker or edberg or mcenroe or Connors or lendl won. Has murray got one or two?

I rarely watch the wtf. As far as im concerned the tennis season is over when USO finishes
Maybe you're irrelevant? Just a thought.
 

CYGS

Legend
Easy for Rafa - USO.

Some people will never accept the WTF is just not that important in the grand scheme of things.
I agree that WTF is never going to be a priority for Nadal, and getting an inch closer to Fed's 17 is definitely more important. Plus it's a HC slam, which would help reduce the skewness in Nadal's resume.
 

Navdeep Srivastava

Hall of Fame
Mate hate to burst your bubble but wtf are an irrelevance. Players value masters 1000 over wtf. Delpotro and davydenko have said so openly in the past. Becker in his book was very dismissive to wtf. He only bothered as in his day it was in Germany!!
May be you are right, but see how Laver lamented those two lost wct finals and how every player wanted tour finals victory, delpo, and Davy are not even big enough to form that type of opinion and Becker always used to bring his some of his best performance in tourfinals even better than us open, so what should I believe Becker book or his action , just see how Agassi badly wanted another tour final.
Big players give evrything for tour finals , maybe not equal to slam, but quite close to slam.
 

irishnadalfan1983

Hall of Fame
I agree that WTF is never going to be a priority for Nadal, and getting an inch closer to Fed's 17 is definitely more important. Plus it's a HC slam, which would help reduce the skewness in Nadal's resume.
15 has a lovely sound to it ;)

I'd take 1 more GS rather than 5 WTF's and I'd say Rafa would say the same.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Easy for Rafa - USO.

Some people will never accept the WTF is just not that important in the grand scheme of things.
First of all, you need to accept the reality:
1) The WTF awards 1500 points to the absolute winner which is more than the M1000 and less than the GS. No ATP player currently ranked below #25 has that many points! So, it is quite important
2) Your boy, Rafa, has been whining how the WTF needs to be moved to a different setup/surface for years,so, YES, it is very desirable thing for him...
 

Achilles82

Professional
For Novak all focus is on Olympics. One of very view tournaments he didnt won. There is no prize money, no points, but winning olympic gold would be a dream come true for him.
 

Noelan

Legend
First of all, you need to accept the reality:
1) The WTF awards 1500 points to the absolute winner which is more than the M1000 and less than the GS. No ATP player currently ranked below #25 has that many points! So, it is quite important
2) Your boy, Rafa, has been whining how the WTF needs to be moved to a different setup/surface for years,so, YES, it is very desirable thing for him...
The way that fedalnuts now undermine WTF is quite astonishing, One can't win it in any of his 11 years as Top 8 player, the other can't win it anymore despite weak era, lack of younger players who can knock down Djokovic and slow court of O2:D
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
May be you are right, but see how Laver lamented those two lost wct finals and how every player wanted tour finals victory, delpo, and Davy are not even big enough to form that type of opinion and Becker always used to bring his some of his best performance in tourfinals even better than us open, so what should I believe Becker book or his action , just see how Agassi badly wanted another tour final.
Big players give evrything for tour finals , maybe not equal to slam, but quite close to slam.
Sampras wasn't that bothered though and ive no idea what the history of the wtf is tbh. Nadal has never seemed that fussed neither has murray.

Stich won it in 1993 . Courier never won it. I think u will be hard pressed to find anyone who puts stich in couriers league.

The major problem is you can lose and still win the tournament. I think the old grand slam cup was a better idea. I would have a straight knock out format between the top 16. But to make it more interesting do a draw like the fa cup each round.
 

punterlad

Hall of Fame
But WTF is relevant.
I tell you what, I really would love some of the pros to give their views on it but we would never get an honest view.

I honestly am not convinced players are that bothered. Delpotro I remember openly saying he would rather have a masters 1000 than WTF as masters 1000 are harder to win. Which is true as you can't lose yet still win the tournament.

The wtf needs to be totally revamped. They won't ever do it though because they want to ensure that each player is seen at least three times.

I have a real issue with the format.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
YEC has lost its sheen. The last 4 years have been full of boring matches, dragged out affair , with barely any competition for the finalists.

ATP may hike the points to make it look better but till such time the competition and court speed increase , it is sad state of affairs.
 

Ogi44

New User
For djokovic Olympic gold.

Nadal has achieved everything, there is nothing left. WTF are an irrelevance. Purely a money spinner for the ATP.

Nobody remembers how many WTF players have. Ive no clue how many becker or edberg or mcenroe or Connors or lendl won. Has murray got one or two?

I rarely watch the wtf. As far as im concerned the tennis season is over when USO finishes
For djokovic Olympic gold.

Nadal has achieved everything, there is nothing left. WTF are an irrelevance. Purely a money spinner for the ATP.

Nobody remembers how many WTF players have. Ive no clue how many becker or edberg or mcenroe or Connors or lendl won. Has murray got one or two?

I rarely watch the wtf. As far as im concerned the tennis season is over when USO finishes
I tell you what, I really would love some of the pros to give their views on it but we would never get an honest view.

I honestly am not convinced players are that bothered. Delpotro I remember openly saying he would rather have a masters 1000 than WTF as masters 1000 are harder to win. Which is true as you can't lose yet still win the tournament.

The wtf needs to be totally revamped. They won't ever do it though because they want to ensure that each player is seen at least three times.

I have a real issue with the format.
I enjoy WTF very much. It is a tournament with great history which all great players won at least once. There is no fluke draws unlike some GS. 2010 US Open comes to mind. So we always have deserved winner on the end and not someone who was simply lucky with the draw.
 

irishnadalfan1983

Hall of Fame
Sampras wasn't that bothered though and ive no idea what the history of the wtf is tbh. Nadal has never seemed that fussed neither has murray.

Stich won it in 1993 . Courier never won it. I think u will be hard pressed to find anyone who puts stich in couriers league.

The major problem is you can lose and still win the tournament. I think the old grand slam cup was a better idea. I would have a straight knock out format between the top 16. But to make it more interesting do a draw like the fa cup each round.
Well said - I just couldn't care less about it - nothing to do with Nadal not having won it - I didn't care about it in the 90's either and I've no idea how many times the likes of Sampras, Agassi won it.

Anything post US open just kind of doesn't feel as important and I've always felt that way.

I'll say it again - I'd take 1 GS over 5 WTF's - I couldn't care how many points the WTF has - it just doesn't feel that important and I paid lots of cash to go see it last year!
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
YEC has lost its sheen. The last 4 years have been full of boring matches, dragged out affair , with barely any competition for the finalists.

ATP may hike the points to make it look better but till such time the competition and court speed increase , it is sad state of affairs.
What an amazing coincidence!

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Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
YEC has lost its sheen. The last 4 years have been full of boring matches, dragged out affair , with barely any competition for the finalists.

ATP may hike the points to make it look better but till such time the competition and court speed increase , it is sad state of affairs.
Last 2 years. 2012 and 2013 were fine. 2014 and 2015 were horrible
 

Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
What an amazing coincidence!

:eek:
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But it has actually been pretty poor the last 2 years.
 
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Deleted member 77403

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YEC has lost its sheen. The last 4 years have been full of boring matches, dragged out affair , with barely any competition for the finalists.

ATP may hike the points to make it look better but till such time the competition and court speed increase , it is sad state of affairs.
LOL. Translation - I hate Djokovic. :)

2012 had one of the best final matches in recent memory between Novak and Roger, and 2013 had some great duels including Federer v Del Potro, and Djokovic v Nadal.
 

Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
LOL. Translation - I hate Djokovic. :)

2012 had one of the best final matches in recent memory between Novak and Roger, and 2013 had some great duels including Federer v Del Potro, and Djokovic v Nadal.
I don't know about that. The aus open semi between them this year was pretty damn good :p
 
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I don't know about that. The aus open semi between them this year was pretty damn good :p
I am referring to WTF final matches, regardless of who was in them. ;) The WTF 2012 final match was one of the best in recent history for sheer quality.
 

GabeT

Legend
Djokovic has already won the USO and WTF a few times. He is not going to cross Fed or Connors 5 USO.

WTF is an exho these days.

Olympics has been steadily increasing in its worth and it will be regarded on par with majors in the future


So it is a no brainer that Novak should put his best to get that elusive gold
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Lol. No, really, lol.
 

GabeT

Legend
I tell you what, I really would love some of the pros to give their views on it but we would never get an honest view.

I honestly am not convinced players are that bothered. Delpotro I remember openly saying he would rather have a masters 1000 than WTF as masters 1000 are harder to win. Which is true as you can't lose yet still win the tournament.

The wtf needs to be totally revamped. They won't ever do it though because they want to ensure that each player is seen at least three times.

I have a real issue with the format.
Sheer nonsense. WTFs are much, much, much harder to win. There is only one a year, while you have nine chances every year to win a M1000. And the average quality of player at the WTF is, of course, much higher by definition.
 

Noelan

Legend
Djokovic cried so badly when he lost to Andy Murray after the last Olympics .

I hope he makes up for that terrible loss this time around
You're lying again. He was sad over that loss ofc but he didn't cry He cried when he lost to Nadal OG08 ( that botched OH he will never forget)
 

Noelan

Legend
USO for Novak (he would have 9 HC slams ) you all know what that achievement would mean in grand scheme .


I'm not sure about about Nadal , but La Decima would be awesome feat .And his chances at his best surface are still there , imo.
 
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