When Do Future Pros Start Using "Pro-stock" Racquets?

[jacob22]

I can't imagine that these rising juniors start using prostock racquets when they're 12yo. They probably use off the shelf retail racquets no? I see most high level juniors around here use frames like the GrapheneXT Radical, Pure Drive, Pure Aero. At what point do they get sponsors to provide them customized prostock racquets? Maybe things are different now than they were back in the 90s when the current pros were juniors.

 

[Doubles]

Generally speaking, when the racquet they like using is no longer sold at retail.

 

[esgee48]

They generally get packages at big discounts from the manufacturers while they are still juniors or in college. The college may have contracts with brands or a brand. Packages would include frames, shoes, strings and sometimes clothes. I do not believe any of them could get Pro Stock frames unless they were already under contract and that can't really happen until they can legally sign such a contract. Pro Stock frames are just bare frames that match manufacturer specs while bare. Building up to something they can use require MRT services which if the family is rich enough, the kid can get. All the family has to do is pay someone like P1 etc to do it. 3 cents.

 

[Harry_Wild]

From watching ITF Futures matches, their racquets usually have no stencils on their strings and the racquets are not current PJs. Some only carry the older color 6 pack bags on the Futures, not the 9 or 12 pro racquet bags that you see on the main tour. These players are more close to Division 3 college players then ATP Tour level players in terms of equipment.

 

[Alekok1221]

That is because normally the big companys do only a One contract and depending of the country the contract is for 1-2 racquet and a pair of reel. The most of the future that pass To atp tour uses like his main racquet the last racquet they use in juniors example kyrgios xi 98 , zverev ig speed 315, auger uses his babolat

 

[dominikk1985]

I think many juniors and even non top100 pros use stock rackets, maybe with a bit of lead tape.

Maybe the very top juniors in the 18U get custom rackets.

 

[BGod]

There are players inside the Top 100 who use stock racquets. It really isn't that big a deal. You can add tape or have your stringer add tape how you want it etc.

 

[smalahove]

The best players I know (former college players), stick to what they used in college, both when it comes to rackets, strings and tension. They are defo creatures of habit; no interest whatsoever in trying anything new.

A competition player needs quite a few frames during a season, and it makes little sense a major company to sponsor them with dozens of expensive pro stocks if there is no need or gain to be haved ...

 

[Smittithekitty]

Rarely seen it in the college scene here in the Mid Atlantic. However I have seen plenty of Pro Stock User in Challengers. Overseas we were there for the first week of the event and basically 90% of the players had Pro Stock Racquets. I'm not sure how easier it gets in different countries to obtain pro stock rackets.

 

[Seth]

I’d like to know the experience of choosing your frame. As a 6.1 user, it would be heaven to be handed every version of the 6.1, but have them all painted in the current black/white Pro Staff scheme. Then being told to figure out which one I like best.

 

[racquetreligion]

Unlike Delpos 71 flex rated stick everyone else seems to use 66 and down from there
Flex is the Pros friend, most than not its hard to always be on song with precision timing
and confidence therefore that extra flex makes up for late swings and general feel thanks
to the extra dwell. Ferrer and Soderling where using something around 57 ra while Fedal
use something around 64-66. I dont see Juniors surviving 70 ra everyday.

 

[TomTennis495]

That is because normally the big companys do only a One contract and depending of the country the contract is for 1-2 racquet and a pair of reel. The most of the future that pass To atp tour uses like his main racquet the last racquet they use in juniors example kyrgios xi 98 , zverev ig speed 315, auger uses his babolat

I believe Auger is using the PS underneath an Aero paint job. Am i wrong?

 

[RobS]

I believe Auger is using the PS underneath an Aero paint job. Am i wrong?

Auger is playing the VS version of the Pure Aero.

 

[ron schaap]

Unlike Delpos 71 flex rated stick everyone else seems to use 66 and down from there
Flex is the Pros friend, most than not its hard to always be on song with precision timing
and confidence therefore that extra flex makes up for late swings and general feel thanks
to the extra dwell. Ferrer and Soderling where using something around 57 ra while Fedal
use something around 64-66. I dont see Juniors surviving 70 ra everyday.

Well this thread is only hear say, so more like Trumps fake news.
I happen to have met a top 700 Future player, while buying on the secondhand market, who is probably unknown to you so i ll not reveal his name nor his racquets, but his racquets he sold me were pure of the shelf and a few years old, so clearly used but still usefull. Even my suggestion they might need some lead he countered that he didnt but if i would, i could. He told me he had bought these racquets himself although with a discount, and he did so too for his new racquets that are a recent version of his previous. It could be different when those lower ranked players become top 100, but upto then tennis is just an expensive hobby for the majority of the pro's is my conclusion considering all the training and travelling also.

 

[Moonballballer]

Well this thread is only hear say, so more like Trumps fake news.
I happen to have met a top 700 Future player, while buying on the secondhand market, who is probably unknown to you so i ll not reveal his name nor his racquets, but his racquets he sold me were pure of the shelf and a few years old, so clearly used but still usefull. Even my suggestion they might need some lead he countered that he didnt but if i would, i could. He told me he had bought these racquets himself although with a discount, and he did so too for his new racquets that are a recent version of his previous. It could be different when those lower ranked players become top 100, but upto then tennis is just an expensive hobby for the majority of the pro's is my conclusion considering all the training and travelling also.

Looking at your name you are from the same country as I am and this is for most recent ATP players. They get a discount from the Dutch rep or some bigger shops are helping them out.
However I can name a few others who played with pro stocks that don’t even have a ranking like that. Mostly Head players. But with pro stock I mean old stock with new paint job.
You seem to want to prove a point in every damn thread there is here and it’s kinda annoying.

 

[ron schaap]

Looking at your name you are from the same country as I am and this is for most recent ATP players. They get a discount from the Dutch rep or some bigger shops are helping them out.
However I can name a few others who played with pro stocks that don’t even have a ranking like that. Mostly Head players. But with pro stock I mean old stock with new paint job.
You seem to want to prove a point in every damn thread there is here and it’s kinda annoying.

Sorry that i m proving some members wrong who state on every occasion that pros can only play with super heavy pro stocks. And now we are talking about pro stock we clearly differ on the definition. I can buy eg for a few Euro buy second hand Pure controls, Wilson blades, and old Head racquets which come from the same mold as Djokers and you insist they become pro stocks as soon they are not sold anymore in the shop, but sold directly from the factory with a different paintjob than originally. i find that pretty crazy and o supose i could make a lot of money just by buying old racquets a painting them.

 

[vsbabolat]

Auger is playing the VS version of the Pure Aero.

Aka Aero Storm

 

[SavvyStringer]

I can't imagine that these rising juniors start using prostock racquets when they're 12yo. They probably use off the shelf retail racquets no? I see most high level juniors around here use frames like the GrapheneXT Radical, Pure Drive, Pure Aero. At what point do they get sponsors to provide them customized prostock racquets? Maybe things are different now than they were back in the 90s when the current pros were juniors.

I think it depends on the player. I had a guy a few years ago that came into college playing prostock head rackets. His were painted with the radical mp paint but were a 18x20 and the rackets were 28" long rather than the standard 27. I saw some funky stringing coming back from other sec schools when the stringer just assumed it was the standard 16x19. All 4 frames would come in pre-matched to exact spec so nothing had to be done with them and if it did, it was just repeating the exact process 4 times.

 

[SavvyStringer]

Well this thread is only hear say, so more like Trumps fake news.
I happen to have met a top 700 Future player, while buying on the secondhand market, who is probably unknown to you so i ll not reveal his name nor his racquets, but his racquets he sold me were pure of the shelf and a few years old, so clearly used but still usefull. Even my suggestion they might need some lead he countered that he didnt but if i would, i could. He told me he had bought these racquets himself although with a discount, and he did so too for his new racquets that are a recent version of his previous. It could be different when those lower ranked players become top 100, but upto then tennis is just an expensive hobby for the majority of the pro's is my conclusion considering all the training and travelling also.

Depends on the player and the manufacturer. Babolat doesn't actually do "prostock" for many players. For the most part with Babolat, what you see is what you get. A notable example for prostock is Rafa. His are paint. A notable example that Babolat does what they want is Melo. I strung for him in 2017 a month after he won Wimbledon. He was still using the 2013 APD racket/paint. I asked him what the deal was and he said Babolat only does paint for a select few and he didn't like the new PureAero string pattern. He said Babolat refused to paint the old rackets with the new paint and were even refusing to produce and send him the old rackets at that point. Another notable example are the Bryan bros. They're playing off the shelf 2015 PDs just modded to their liking. Maybe that makes those frames prostock but imo to be prostock it has to be something the general public can't get.

 

[AM75]

I was volunteering at a ITF Future where the Nr 1 was like 300 in the world, and almost all the players played with pro stocks. Although they don't have endless supply that top players have.

 

[Jster]

When their favourite racquet is discontinued on the retail market.
, then the company will continued to make Pro stocks for them, that is if they are highly ranked.

 

[pabletion]

When the can afford it, or When they have an endorsement, I guess... and endorsements begin at a ranking of 200 and under, so theyre not easy to come across.

If you go out of your way there are always exceptions. I got our best player a Tecnifibre endorsement without the required ranking, for example.

Anyways, the player chose the TFight 305 and used it stock for about 6 months! Finally another player helped him pimp it Up, he's now carrying a 350gr frame, adding about 25 grams of lead tape.....

 

[racquetreligion]

Sorry that i m proving some members wrong who state on every occasion that pros can only play with super heavy pro stocks. And now we are talking about pro stock we clearly differ on the definition. I can buy eg for a few Euro buy second hand Pure controls, Wilson blades, and old Head racquets which come from the same mold as Djokers and you insist they become pro stocks as soon they are not sold anymore in the shop, but sold directly from the factory with a different paintjob than originally. i find that pretty crazy and o supose i could make a lot of money just by buying old racquets a painting them.

You proved nothing with your assumptions and hear say, you just said it yourself these thread are full of it but you insist yourself by pretending you are right and on some kind of high horse with the same horse play. Give it a rest. There are pro-stock frames and tennis is not that expensive for the developed world if you look after your sticks and string for yourself. If you are poor you can use 95sq in 18 x 20 patterned old frames on the cheapest Nylon at higher tensions and learn to hit efficiently not with excessive top spin. Reduce your generalizing and patronizing childish tones as you have nothing to prove but maybe to your child psychologist.

 

[racquetreligion]

Depends on the player and the manufacturer. Babolat doesn't actually do "prostock" for many players. For the most part with Babolat, what you see is what you get. A notable example for prostock is Rafa. His are paint. A notable example that Babolat does what they want is Melo. I strung for him in 2017 a month after he won Wimbledon. He was still using the 2013 APD racket/paint. I asked him what the deal was and he said Babolat only does paint for a select few and he didn't like the new PureAero string pattern. He said Babolat refused to paint the old rackets with the new paint and were even refusing to produce and send him the old rackets at that point. Another notable example are the Bryan bros. They're playing off the shelf 2015 PDs just modded to their liking. Maybe that makes those frames prostock but imo to be prostock it has to be something the general public can't get.

If you followed what many pro stringers and experienced gurus have posted over the years you can easily conclude that made in Austria vs made in China frames can be a simple indicator of what you can and cannot get retail.

There are brands like Head that does have its pro stocks and then Babolats most successful and consistent player uses the 2003/4 original at 66 flex rating. Babo only recently released a 67 flex rated APD and it received great praise in reviews indicating its probably even better than the original APD.

However like Delpo, Rafas game, physicality and brain no one can duplicate yet the original APDs are fetching big prices for obvious reasons. Yonex on the other hand are all retail available frames with Wawa still using the 95D.

This Yonex unmodified to Stans DemiGod Specs is commanding big prices everywhere for second hand units as they are not longer for at least 6-7 years. Shapo is using the latest vcore 95 but Wawa like Rafa prefer a frame that is no longer produced.

If by chance they run out of these old sticks for the worlds top ranked mascots, these companies still have the molds to make another run of them when needed. After all in the case of Nadal, he is basically the only reason Babolat is where it is now. It not Na Li or Moya that keeps Babo on top of the sales hype byt the Pink Nike cladded Bull from Mallorca who is going to be playing for long enough till "Felix the Cat" flies the flag for the latest APD. Pretty lucky company really considering most of its frames no one can stay in the top 10 with except for Rafa.

 

[J B]

Pretty lucky company really considering most of its frames no one can stay in the top 10 with except for Rafa.

LOL!!! ahhaha great read and love the last line. Also funny how many ladies choose the PD, I cant figure that one out.

 

[rafazx10]

I know a couple of guys playing futures and they all have to buy their own rackets, and none play with pro stocks.

 

[stringertom]

Shapo at ages 16/17 and playing Futures while still with Wilson was playing an 18x20 PS 6.1 with a RF red/black paint job. Strung for him one week that spring he had just turned 17.

 

[TomTennis495]

Phenoms are a different case then future grinders w very little chance at breaking thru

 

[stringertom]

Phenoms are a different case then future grinders w very little chance at breaking thru

Shapo wasn’t a “phenom” then...he had no ranking six months before I met him.

 

[racquetreligion]

LOL!!! ahhaha great read and love the last line. Also funny how many ladies choose the PD, I cant figure that one out.

How many women stay consistent with that frame? yes it gives them their balls that extra testosterone but player style frames set the records there too

 

[J B]

How many women stay consistent with that frame? yes it gives them their balls that extra testosterone but player style frames set the records there too

None, unless they get the 107 or 115 and live the junk life

 

[ron schaap]

If you followed what many pro stringers and experienced gurus have posted over the years you can easily conclude that made in Austria vs made in China frames can be a simple indicator of what you can and cannot get retail.

There are brands like Head that does have its pro stocks and then Babolats most successful and consistent player uses the 2003/4 original at 66 flex rating. Babo only recently released a 67 flex rated APD and it received great praise in reviews indicating its probably even better than the original APD.

However like Delpo, Rafas game, physicality and brain no one can duplicate yet the original APDs are fetching big prices for obvious reasons. Yonex on the other hand are all retail available frames with Wawa still using the 95D.

This Yonex unmodified to Stans DemiGod Specs is commanding big prices everywhere for second hand units as they are not longer for at least 6-7 years. Shapo is using the latest vcore 95 but Wawa like Rafa prefer a frame that is no longer produced.

If by chance they run out of these old sticks for the worlds top ranked mascots, these companies still have the molds to make another run of them when needed. After all in the case of Nadal, he is basically the only reason Babolat is where it is now. It not Na Li or Moya that keeps Babo on top of the sales hype byt the Pink Nike cladded Bull from Mallorca who is going to be playing for long enough till "Felix the Cat" flies the flag for the latest APD. Pretty lucky company really considering most of its frames no one can stay in the top 10 with except for Rafa.

Well if there is somebody participating in this thread pretentious and trying to prove he is right than it is you, isnt it?
Savystringer wasnt even mentioning Head, but he was talking about Babolat, which refuses to paintjob older racquets of pro players except Nadal. I happen to have two of the original apd nadal frames and a sticker on them says they are made in China, so this counters another myth you bring up. I dont really care about Head and their many pro stock racquets, which even pro's find difficult to understand.
You are mentioning Yonex players. Why would Yonex racquets suddenly become pro stock frames when they are not sold anymore in the shops. Thats ridiculous. Pro stocks are frames that are produced to players specs that were never and will never be available to the ordinary tennis player outside the top 500. Hey but even Nadal nor Stan dont need pro stocks, they just stay faithfull to their old sticks that are now out of fashion except for a updated paintjob every year.

 

[sredna42]

There are players inside the Top 100 who use stock racquets. It really isn't that big a deal. You can add tape or have your stringer add tape how you want it etc.

Dustin Brown apparently used a bog stock pure drive (strung at an insane 70lbs full poly)

 

[racquetreligion]

Well if there is somebody participating in this thread pretentious and trying to prove he is right than it is you, isnt it?
Savystringer wasnt even mentioning Head, but he was talking about Babolat, which refuses to paintjob older racquets of pro players except Nadal. I happen to have two of the original apd nadal frames and a sticker on them says they are made in China, so this counters another myth you bring up. I dont really care about Head and their many pro stock racquets, which even pro's find difficult to understand.
You are mentioning Yonex players. Why would Yonex racquets suddenly become pro stock frames when they are not sold anymore in the shops. Thats ridiculous. Pro stocks are frames that are produced to players specs that were never and will never be available to the ordinary tennis player outside the top 500. Hey but even Nadal nor Stan dont need pro stocks, they just stay faithfull to their old sticks that are now out of fashion except for a updated paintjob every year.

You still avoiding your meds are you?, please do so and see if you can stop trying to bleat ridicule and self made observations as galactic law.
Anyone can buy a Yonex anyday everywhere and also have plenty of Chinese made APDs 03/04 originals that was not the point all brands are different
and yet the PT57A in all its guises is still the preferred choice of so many professionals and not available from the usual retail chains.
The 95D is NLA at the shops but like the APD original can be reproduced for Stan, thats a simple fact. Yes you can go second hand or NOS.
The general heading of this thread are pro stocks vs retail which most players use vs some players dont.
The leading racquet model used in the top 100 is still a pro stock head frame made in Austria not China and available to anyone even over top 500.
Pro stock frames are available to the ordinary tennis player, I have a plethora of Austrian PT57A units and I only coach professionally
Many know this so dont blurb nonsense as your own concrete facts that apply to your imagination.

You sound like a frog in your own micro-sized pond with no idea outside it.
A stubborn fool who needs medication with minimal neural activity is at best a delusional troll.

 

[racquetreligion]

Dustin Brown apparently used a bog stock pure drive (strung at an insane 70lbs full poly)

Hence his consistent day in day out success

 

[ron schaap]

You still avoiding your meds are you?, please do so and see if you can stop trying to bleat ridicule and self made observations as galactic law.
Anyone can buy a Yonex anyday everywhere and also have plenty of Chinese made APDs 03/04 originals that was not the point all brands are different
and yet the PT57A in all its guises is still the preferred choice of so many professionals and not available from the usual retail chains.
The 95D is NLA at the shops but like the APD original can be reproduced for Stan, thats a simple fact. Yes you can go second hand or NOS.
The general heading of this thread are pro stocks vs retail which most players use vs some players dont.
The leading racquet model used in the top 100 is still a pro stock head frame made in Austria not China and available to anyone even over top 500.
Pro stock frames are available to the ordinary tennis player, I have a plethora of Austrian PT57A units and I only coach professionally
Many know this so dont blurb nonsense as your own concrete facts that apply to your imagination.

You sound like a frog in your own micro-sized pond with no idea outside it.
A stubborn fool who needs medication with minimal neural activity is at best a delusional troll.

For 2 years now, there is a president with yellow hair, who is demonizing the press and eveybody else who does not share his fake news, while he himself is the personification of it. You happen to be a fan of this person?
Like i said i m not interested in Head pro stocks of which Head players themself dont always know with what model theyare actually playing. A famous answer from a former Head pro was that he was using the blue one.
One of my former comments was that Future players dont need pro stocks to be succesfull asvi know one, Yonex player myself, and Stan, Kerber, Chung are other examples of pros which dont need Pro stocks. Probably Yonex is just that good that they dont need all the humbug of special pro stocks.
I bet my made in China original Apd is exactly the same racquet, with exactly the same origin in China as the apds Rafa won his first grandslams with. Now that this model isnt produced anymore for the public does nt mean its suddenly a pro stock is it? Just show me where this secret Babolat factory in France is located where all those special Babolat pro stocks are produced if you want to prove that you are right.

 

[sredna42]

Hence his consistent day in day out success

I'm more amazed that his arm hasn't fallen off more than anything else tbh

 

[racquetreligion]

For 2 years now, there is a president with yellow hair, who is demonizing the press and eveybody else who does not share his fake news, while he himself is the personification of it. You happen to be a fan of this person?

You sound like you belong in Facebook with such mundane and stereotype bleats. I personally dont believe in politics they are all puppets for corporations
and actors for the most powerful families to toy with. Media is all controlled for "divide and conquer" of its populous it controls.

Like i said i m not interested in Head pro stocks of which Head players themself dont always know with what model theyare actually playing. A famous answer from a former Head pro was that he was using the blue one.

So you are avoiding your meds again by generalizing that players using head dont know which equipment they are using? after all they are pros with equipment they know better than anyone if its even a gram out of specs. Time you take a lobotomy by the sounds of it.

One of my former comments was that Future players dont need pro stocks to be succesfull asvi know one, Yonex player myself, and Stan, Kerber, Chung are other examples of pros which dont need Pro stocks. Probably Yonex is just that good that they dont need all the humbug of special pro stocks.

Yes its obvious and stated countless times you dont need a head pro stock unit from Austria to succeed but the only successfully consistent player that can
master a Babolat is using a 15 year old model that can be re manufactured for him if needed as he is one of the Gods of Tennis compared to you and me.
Yes luckily Yonex racquets are that good and caring for its customers as Japanese people are difficult of any world consumers to satisfy, they are very anal
just like me or anyone that prefers their products, services and efforts to be as efficient and close to perfect as possible. Its the way things are in Japan.
If a company is caught without putting in 100% and instead cutting corners and lying, they get slaughtered here.

I bet my made in China original Apd is exactly the same racquet, with exactly the same origin in China as the apds Rafa won his first grandslams with. Now that this model isnt produced anymore for the public does nt mean its suddenly a pro stock is it? Just show me where this secret Babolat factory in France is located where all those special Babolat pro stocks are produced if you want to prove that you are right.

Thats the thing you are stabbing in the air like a fool to say players dont know what they are using and Im saying to you many racquets can be classified as pro stock.
The information has been discussed that a pro stock are the racquets preferred by the Tennis Elite to compete with. If from retail, ex-retail or non retail it doesnt matter.
A pro stock frame is one used by professional to make history in our sport. There are so many variables and practices by all of them and getting a racquet to suit everyone is impossible. However the only frames that come close to satisfying most top players emulate the box beam design or close to it with more flex than an APD.

Nadal is the only player to have made no1 longer than Moya or Roddick or anyone using a Babolat or non box beam style frame.
Yet the amount of time he has stayed on top is not even 5% of timeline in the modern era rankings. That is a good sign that you, me or anyone
using an original APD like Nadal does will fail miserably in all statistics of competition compared to using a traditional frame.
Felix AA is the only 18yo that could possibly get into the top 3 in the future using an APD but I believe he can be more consistent using
a different frame over the long term as he doesnt have the spin Nadal uses and his mechanics will never have the variety Nadal has.
Actually no player has the variety on the FH side even Fed or Nole dont while the closest are Nishioka and Klizan combined yet still fail.

DelPotro unlike Nadal is not as successful using a semi modern frame that is no longer produced and had to put ads and public notices up
to get more of his defunct Willy sticks. The original Babolat manufacturing sites were Lyon, Plöermel, Besançon but now its cheaper and
easier to get the same quality in China as long as there is a production engineer from Babolat to make sure all testing and parameter are met.
More importantly for Babolat the latest APD has finally come close to the flex rating most pros use whilst producing more power and spin vs original APD
however Nadal prefers the original unlike Federer, Nole which is no wonder as no one will ever play like Nadal does or even replicate his game.

 

[racquetreligion]

I'm more amazed that his arm hasn't fallen off more than anything else tbh

Absolutely but if although his torso is like a kids his left arm and shoulder was customized to swing those usually yellow stiff things

Yet he uses the smaller appendage to deal with the parasites that are usually labelled as crabs populating his private parts


OLE! from Mallorca

 

[racquetreligion]

Dustin Brown apparently used a bog stock pure drive (strung at an insane 70lbs full poly)

That wannabe Rasta YoYo could be labelled as a true example poor consistency from swinging a Babolat stick
but in reality its his mind not the stick thats responsible.

Does anyone remember what rarely used compound Basilashvili uses for a full bed?
I forgot but never seen someone outpace delpotros FH to the weeds in a Final.
His Backhand was also ridiculous even faster than any of Murrays BHs

 

[ron schaap]

You sound like you belong in Facebook with such mundane and stereotype bleats. I personally dont believe in politics they are all puppets for corporations
and actors for the most powerful families to toy with. Media is all controlled for "divide and conquer" of its populous it controls.



So you are avoiding your meds again by generalizing that players using head dont know which equipment they are using? after all they are pros with equipment they know better than anyone if its even a gram out of specs. Time you take a lobotomy by the sounds of it.




Yes its obvious and stated countless times you dont need a head pro stock unit from Austria to succeed but the only successfully consistent player that can
master a Babolat is using a 15 year old model that can be re manufactured for him if needed as he is one of the Gods of Tennis compared to you and me.
Yes luckily Yonex racquets are that good and caring for its customers as Japanese people are difficult of any world consumers to satisfy, they are very anal
just like me or anyone that prefers their products, services and efforts to be as efficient and close to perfect as possible. Its the way things are in Japan.
If a company is caught without putting in 100% and instead cutting corners and lying, they get slaughtered here.



Thats the thing you are stabbing in the air like a fool to say players dont know what they are using and Im saying to you many racquets can be classified as pro stock.
The information has been discussed that a pro stock are the racquets preferred by the Tennis Elite to compete with. If from retail, ex-retail or non retail it doesnt matter.
A pro stock frame is one used by professional to make history in our sport. There are so many variables and practices by all of them and getting a racquet to suit everyone is impossible. However the only frames that come close to satisfying most top players emulate the box beam design or close to it with more flex than an APD.

Nadal is the only player to have made no1 longer than Moya or Roddick or anyone using a Babolat or non box beam style frame.
Yet the amount of time he has stayed on top is not even 5% of timeline in the modern era rankings. That is a good sign that you, me or anyone
using an original APD like Nadal does will fail miserably in all statistics of competition compared to using a traditional frame.
Felix AA is the only 18yo that could possibly get into the top 3 in the future using an APD but I believe he can be more consistent using
a different frame over the long term as he doesnt have the spin Nadal uses and his mechanics will never have the variety Nadal has.
Actually no player has the variety on the FH side even Fed or Nole dont while the closest are Nishioka and Klizan combined yet still fail.

DelPotro unlike Nadal is not as successful using a semi modern frame that is no longer produced and had to put ads and public notices up
to get more of his defunct Willy sticks. The original Babolat manufacturing sites were Lyon, Plöermel, Besançon but now its cheaper and
easier to get the same quality in China as long as there is a production engineer from Babolat to make sure all testing and parameter are met.
More importantly for Babolat the latest APD has finally come close to the flex rating most pros use whilst producing more power and spin vs original APD
however Nadal prefers the original unlike Federer, Nole which is no wonder as no one will ever play like Nadal does or even replicate his game.

So in a nuttshell you say i m right and you expand the definitio n of a pro stock as any racquet which is used by a tennis pro. You know that kills the discussion here because then every Future player uses a pro stock, even most amateurs but they dont realize this. According to you all pro's should use players racquets instead of tweeners except Rafa?
Do you realize that Thiem really broke trough when he switched from a playerstype Head to a stiffer more powerfull Pure strike? Then there is Tsonga who is experienced enough to know what is good for him, yet decided to go back to a extended Aero pro, even when he is powerfull himself. Not to mention countless WTA players who now play with powerfull tweeners. You may not like it but there is a lot of diversity. I myself havent tried my Apd with the same thick Blast string that Nadal uses. Maybe then i could get the same control as he has, but i dont want anyone to think that i want to compare myself with such pros, because they are from another planet.

 

[ron schaap]

That wannabe Rasta YoYo could be labelled as a true example poor consistency from swinging a Babolat stick
but in reality its his mind not the stick thats responsible.

Does anyone remember what rarely used compound Basilashvili uses for a full bed?
I forgot but never seen someone outpace delpotros FH to the weeds in a Final.
His Backhand was also ridiculous even faster than any of Murrays BHs

I think the German is hitting the ball with his hair instead with his stiff as frying pan stringbed. H is one of the colorfull players that tennis needs. It began with Nastase, then Mcenroe, Noah, and now Kyrgios and him.

 

[TennisHound]

Babo only recently released a 67 flex rated APD and it received great praise in reviews indicating its probably even better than the original APD.

When did this happen? Did you mean that it was released for the pros only?

 

[SavvyStringer]

When did this happen? Did you mean that it was released for the pros only?

No they mean the newest APD (off the shelf) came down in RA compared to previous models. It is advertised as less stiff.

 

[TennisHound]

No they mean the newest APD (off the shelf) came down in RA compared to previous models. It is advertised as less stiff.

Yeah right right, copy that. I was thinking of something else.

 

[RanchDressing]

Generally speaking, when the racquet they like using is no longer sold at retail.

Yeah 100%. Most "pro stock" are just what they grew up using/preferred as they became young adults. Same case for coric and the "new generation."

Pro stocks really aren't anything special beyond being non retail. You can find ultra light retail sticks ideal for modification. Sometimes newer frames are similar enough that players just switch to them out right.

 

[rafazx10]

The one thing you can find much more often with pro stocks is the longer rackets (27.5) it seems much more common on the tour than with rec players.

 

[TennisHound]

Absolutely but if although his torso is like a kids his left arm and shoulder was customized to swing those usually yellow stiff things

Yet he uses the smaller appendage to deal with the parasites that are usually labelled as crabs populating his private parts


OLE! from Mallorca

That is just too funny, good find, LOL

 

[racquetreligion]

So in a nuttshell you say i m right and you expand the definitio n of a pro stock as any racquet which is used by a tennis pro. You know that kills the discussion here because then every Future player uses a pro stock, even most amateurs but they dont realize this. According to you all pro's should use players racquets instead of tweeners except Rafa?
Do you realize that Thiem really broke trough when he switched from a playerstype Head to a stiffer more powerfull Pure strike? Then there is Tsonga who is experienced enough to know what is good for him, yet decided to go back to a extended Aero pro, even when he is powerfull himself. Not to mention countless WTA players who now play with powerfull tweeners. You may not like it but there is a lot of diversity. I myself havent tried my Apd with the same thick Blast string that Nadal uses. Maybe then i could get the same control as he has, but i dont want anyone to think that i want to compare myself with such pros, because they are from another planet.

No sorry you are not right, I clarified why you were suffering mentally but you avoided it like most neural challenged victims do.
"every Future player uses a pro stock, even most amateurs but they dont realize this" you keep bleating...
Del Potro like Rasta Germaican used a 71 RA frame that required multiple wrist operations or a bottom feeding career.

Thiem was making a breakthrough with any racquet and Babolat saw this to try and save their investment in this model
Tsonga made his breakthrough 11 years ago for an AO Final with Head and since then has never made another Slam Final.

You said"WTA players who now play with powerfull tweeners. You may not like it but there is a lot of diversity. I myself havent tried my Apd with the same thick Blast string that Nadal uses. Maybe then i could get the same control as he has, "

Women are not Men and tweeners help them with the lighter balls that dont need a box beam with mass.
In the mens Deminaur uses a box beam with little mass and can hardly peel the skin of a banana vs the top 10.

"I myself havent tried my Apd with the same thick Blast string that Nadal uses. Maybe then i could get the same control as he has..." your dream analysis.....

No sorry, you will not get control as he has you need his upbringing, relaxed mechanics, mentality and crazy feel.
Basically Nadal is the Matador and the APD is the Bull. He often uses the Bull for his amazing displays but
sometimes he gets injured by performing with it yet less than any other tightly clad groin sufferer in the Stadium.

Pro stocks really aren't anything special beyond being non retail.

Thiem, Johnson, Shapovalov, Nishioka and many other are using Pro stocks available at retail atm.

 

[racquetreligion]

That is just too funny, good find, LOL

At least crabs have more etiquette with their privates but seriously Nadals FH has to have incredible
relaxed dynamics of he will suffer like anyone else.
Look at his warm up, you can see how careful he is not to muscle the ball on his FH side