When was the last time you saw someone under 50 serve and volley to win a match?

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PETEhammer

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Just curious. Some of the pros at the club I used to train at were older and would either serve and volley, or play a serious wood racket game (linear forehand, drive backhand slice etc.), but I can't remember the last time I've seen someone serve and volley consistently to win a match who was younger than 50. Closest I've seen are all-courters with one handers (many imitating Fed), or doubles players trying to save face by getting freebies off putaways. How about you?
 

schmke

Legend
Just curious. Some of the pros at the club I used to train at were older and would either serve and volley, or play a serious wood racket game (linear forehand, drive backhand slice etc.), but I can't remember the last time I've seen someone serve and volley consistently to win a match who was younger than 50. Closest I've seen are all-courters with one handers (many imitating Fed), or doubles players trying to save face by getting freebies off putaways. How about you?
Hmmm, I'm 52, so 3 years ago?

Seriously, my last year as a 4.0 five years ago (so was 47), I went 5-0 in singles not dropping a set and would serve and volley on nearly ever first serve and more often than not on second serves.

As a 4.5, I've played primarily doubles, and serve and volley exclusively on first and second serves, but I suspect you were asking about singles.
 

schmke

Legend
No idea

When I played seriously in my early 20s I was about an ITN 3
For those unfamiliar with ITN, it is a scale from 10 (beginner) to 1 (top pro) and from a table mapping to NTRP, an ITN 3 would be a NTRP 5.0. Is that correct and accurate? Who knows, but I think @Cashman has game.

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winchestervatennis

Hall of Fame
I’m 38 and bumped to 5.0 end of 19. I grew up playing a fair amount of s&v mainly because thats what i was taught. Fast forward to when i started league tennis at 4.0 in 2010 and i played a baseline grinder game. Frankly it was just easier to win by getting more balls in play than the other guy. That doesn’t cut it at 5.0 and you gotta have a weapon(s) to win. In other words for me, grinding from the baseline is a successful strategy at 4.0 and even 4.5 but 5.0s chew that up and spit it out. I have solid groundstrokes but not weapons. But i can serve well and more than hold my own at the net so I’ve been s&ving on a way more regular basis.

Was playing last night and around 5 all in the first i realized i was s&v every first serve and probably half the seconds.

It’s just a pretty risky game in my opinion. If my service isn’t hitting targets close to the lines I’m in trouble. Miss wide and second serve. Miss towards the middle of the box and the guy has an easier return that he can start grooving low at my feet. And you gotta have thick skin - you’re gonna get passed and often. There’s something mentally draining about getting passed, but you gotta take those punches and come back for more. My service games come down to whether I’m hitting my target. If i do i hold somewhat easily, if i dont advantage to him.
 

Matthew ATX

Semi-Pro
Played a 5.5 in a local non-USTA league a couple weeks ago who served and volleyed. He's probably early 30's.
He also returned and volleyed.
For the entire match, he never hit more than a single shot in a point from the baseline.
I'm a lower level 4.5, so I'm not sure if that's how he normally plays, but he beat the ever loving crap out of me.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
I know only one solid 4.5 singles player in his late thirties who S&Vs and C&Cs exclusively on all his serve/return points. Otherwise, you are right that all the 4.5 singles players I play against who S&V a lot are older than fifty years in age. But, many of the younger guys have solid volley technique and will come to the net to finish points. I think that the advanced rec players from the generation which grew up with poly strings do not depend on the S&V style as much as previous generations did because it is so much easier to hit Serve+1 winners from mid-court with poly strings on slow hard courts.

In doubles, almost everyone S&Vs at 4.5+ and it is more uncommon to find players who don’t come to net as soon as possible on both serves and returns. Many of the 4.5+ guys are ex-college players and it seems like they have all been coached to play S&V in doubles even if they are young guys who grew up with poly strings. The only exception is when they are returning against some of the guys who serve >100mph and in those cases, it is common to see 1-back or 2-back return formations. It seems like in 3.5/4.0 doubles, it is rare to see S&V or C&C - 1-back formations are common for the serving team also due to the less developed transition volley skills.
 
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albertf

New User
I'm 37.

It varies for me. My default is baseline but use s&v when I recognize that my ground strokes aren't as good as the other person.

I used to s&v alot in highschool alot since my ground strokes were weaker than alot of the other kids I was playing against
 

zipplock

Hall of Fame
We have multiple 4.5-5.0 level players out here that SV on a consistent basis (more than half of their serve points). Haven't seen anyone SV on every point, but do see it regularly. At the rec level, if you have a decent serve and are good at half-volleys/dig-volleys, SV will win you points.
 

winchestervatennis

Hall of Fame
Bumping this thread. Playing mostly outdoor clay since the weather has turned nice. But been rained out twice since Wimbledon started and forced indoors. Since it was Wimbledon season I decided to play both matches (singles) playing almost exclusive serve and volley. A lot of fun playing that game. Actually find my serve improves significantly. Maybe it has something to do with moving into the court since im focused on getting to the net. Maybe its because i know i cant just roll it in or i get my ass handed to me so i MUST hit targets. Either way it get better.
 
me last weekend playing a 4.5 who sliced every return and also held every service game. lost 6-4, 6-3. I came in every first serve and every ad side 2nd serve.
 
Sadly I don't get to play as much as I'd like. I do do it a lot. I'd be better/more effective if I played more.

I'm not sure there's a better feeling than booming a serve, having the return get ripped back and then hitting a nice stab volley winner.

I won a small RR 3.5 tourney right before Covid. I played doubles that morning and I am pretty out of shape so I don't recall how much I S&V'd in the singles match but it was more than most.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
For those unfamiliar with ITN, it is a scale from 10 (beginner) to 1 (top pro) and from a table mapping to NTRP, an ITN 3 would be a NTRP 5.0. Is that correct and accurate? Who knows, but I think @Cashman has game.

UTR-SKILL-CHART-V13-1-745x1024.png
The thing about this chart that always makes me scratch my head is that “dependable first serve” is an ”intermediate” skill and “consistent second serve” is an “advanced“ skill.
 
In my 50s and S & V on most first and second serves. OP's question infers that younger players don't S&V and from my experience that is true. I've played a bunch of UTR events and more times than not I'll be one of the oldest players in the tourney or flex league. S&V has won me a number of games just because the youngins don't see it often.
 

S&V-not_dead_yet

Talk Tennis Guru
In my 50s and S & V on most first and second serves. OP's question infers that younger players don't S&V and from my experience that is true. I've played a bunch of UTR events and more times than not I'll be one of the oldest players in the tourney or flex league. S&V has won me a number of games just because the youngins don't see it often.

What NTRP and/or UTR level do you play? I'm running into limits of S&V at 55 years old and NTRP 4.5.
 
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