Which player was hurt the most and by whom?

[Fiero425]

Shouldn't we say that Vekic was hurt most by Nick? Her internet accounts were hammered by people calling her all kinds of bad things.

Well maybe she shouldn't be fooling around with married men and Stan shouldn't be boffing little girls! IMO, there's enough blame to go around! ;-)

 

[Elektra]

Sharapova hurt Serena the most when she beat her at Wimbldeon and became the highest paid/marketable female athlete cause of that win.

Serena Williams hurt Sharapova by constantly beating her on the biggest stage after Wimbldeon.

Murray hurt Federer after winning Olympic Gold 2012 and having the crowd root for him.

Novak has hurt Federer and made him look like an old man anytime they go against each other at GS.

Petra hurt Eugenie Bouchard after the famous final beatdown.

 

[Fiero425]

Sharapova hurt Serena the most when she beat her at Wimbldeon and became the highest paid/marketable female athlete cause of that win.

Serena Williams hurt Sharapova by constantly beating her on the biggest stage after Wimbldeon.

Murray hurt Federer after winning Olympic Gold 2012 and having the crowd root for him.

Novak has hurt Federer and made him look like an old man anytime they go against each other at GS.

The most complete post which I can agree with wholeheartedly! ;-)

 

[Elektra]

The most complete post which I can agree with wholeheartedly! ;-)

Thank you

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Seems most on this thread get it.

Federer was never the undisputed GOAT at the time of those loses. Pete had more slams, more Wimbledon titles, more weeks at number one. Federer hadn't even overtaken Sampras, so exactly how was he seen to be the undisputed GOAT exactly? He knew, just like the rest of the world, that the ultimate target was 15 slams, and what would make it even sweeter is winning the RG to give him the edge over Pete. Well guess what? Federer achieved all of that DESPITE Nadal beating him in those previous slam finals. Federer STILL got over the finished line and then set the bar. Nadal only slowed him down and made sure that Federer doesn't look invincible.

IF Federer had FAILED to win the career slam, failed to overtake Pete, then yes, I would say that Nadal prevented Federer from being widely acclaimed as the greatest. It just didn't go down that way though. What you are doing is what most Fed haters do, H2H. Sorry, tennis isn't boxing, it is about winning trophies first and foremost. And while the H2H shows that Federer isn't perfect, his resume still makes many consider him the GOAT and I am saying this as a Djokovic supporter.

I'm giving my honest opinion regardless of whether "most on this thread" get it or not, or if that's what you think "Fed haters do"

 

[Deleted member 77403]

I'm giving my honest opinion regardless of whether "most on this thread" get it or not, or if that's what you think "Fed haters do"

I just gave you one right back whether you get it or don't.

 

[Gary Duane]

Of the choices I also picked Nadal's record against Fed.

But there are a number of other rivalries where another player threatened a legacy.

Navratilova hurt Evert the most, obviously.

Seles was the worst hurt, in every way.

In the Connors/Borg/McEnroe era, Borg did much the same thing to Connors that Nadal has done to Fed, and to me it appeared that McEnroe was eventually going to do the same to Borg...

 

[Steve0904]

Roddick is probably the best answer in tennis terms. He still wouldn't have the best movement or BH in the world, and he wouldn't have won say 10+ slams, but he could've shed that "one slam wonder" label that so many wrongly give him. Wimbledon 2004 and 2009 almost certainly go to Roddick, as well as USO 2006. Wimbledon 2005 I would give to Hewitt, and Wimbledon 2003 and AO 2007 are toss ups.

 

[Red Rick]

Roddick is probably the best answer in tennis terms. He still wouldn't have the best movement or BH in the world, and he wouldn't have won say 10+ slams, but he could've shed that "one slam wonder" label that so many wrongly give him. Wimbledon 2004 and 2009 almost certainly go to Roddick, as well as USO 2006. Wimbledon 2005 I would give to Hewitt, and Wimbledon 2003 and AO 2007 are toss ups.

In relative terms, absolutely. He probably would've gotten 300% more slams or something. Not to mention the mental effect as well

 

[Deleted member 716271]

I just gave you one right back whether you get it or don't.

You stated an opinion like it was a fact though

 

[Deleted member 77403]

You stated an opinion like it was a fact though

Nadal totally destroyed Federer's legacy

And your one comes across as just an opinion, not like it has been stated as a fact? Looks like you stated that as a historical fact.

How about you and I stop going round and round on this, my fellow Djokovic fan and go grab a beer...

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Nadal totally destroyed Federer's legacy

And your one comes across as just an opinion, not like it has been stated as a fact? Looks like you stated that as a historical fact.

How about you and I stop going round and round on this, my fellow Djokovic fan and go grab a beer...

Well mine was a response to the OP....ahhhhhhhhh okay you're right.

Heinekens on me

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Well mine was a response to the OP....ahhhhhhhhh okay you're right.

Heinekens on me

Now that's more like it.

 

[Elektra]

Federer is hurting himself and his legacy by not retiring.

 

[ultradr]

Everybody got hurt by Nadal at RG, for last decade or so.

They are so unlucky to play in the same era with Nadal.

 

[Fiero425]

Federer is hurting himself and his legacy by not retiring.

I've been saying that for a while! Unfortunately the 2nd tier of the tour have been gutless and been unable to force the old man into retirement! They give him comfort that he can hang on for a few more years! Players like Raonic and Nishikori can't stay on the court more than a few weeks before breaking down again! It's so sad to see true athletes with talent, but they're so frail, it's been a colossal waste of their time and ours cheering them on! Sooner or later Fed will hang it up, but being #2 or #3 gives him no reason to even think about it now! He's picking up at least 1 Masters and a few 500's to sustain him and making it worth his while to be fodder for Nole and Rafa when they meet in majors! ;-)

 

[Fiero425]

Everybody got hurt by Nadal at RG, for last decade or so.

They are so unlucky to play in the same era with Nadal.

History repeats itself; Borg kept players like Solomon, Dibbs, and 1 time winner Vilas from winning more! Bjorn only lost to one person as well, winning 6 titles over 8 years; skipping '77 giving his good friend Vilas his lone FO title! ;-)

 

[Fiero425]

In relative terms, absolutely. He probably would've gotten 300% more slams or something. Not to mention the mental effect as well

It's a shame Roger had his number, but Roddick's game was so limited, it didn't bother me he was held to just one major! His game was more conducive to a past era with only a serve and "big forehand!" It didn't win titles back then and I didn't want it to win now! Players like Krickstein, Arias, and so many more never even played a major final; feel more for them who didn't get half as much out of their game due to players just "that much better" like Lendl, Connors, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, and so many others! Roddick's rich and is in demand on and off the court! Last I heard, Krickstein doing something with "marine biology!" ;-)

 

[Krish872007]

I've been saying that for a while! Unfortunately the 2nd tier of the tour have been gutless and been unable to force the old man into retirement! They give him comfort that he can hang on for a few more years! Players like Raonic and Nishikori can't stay on the court more than a few weeks before breaking down again! It's so sad to see true athletes with talent, but they're so frail, it's been a colossal waste of their time and ours cheering them on! Sooner or later Fed will hang it up, but being #2 or #3 gives him no reason to even think about it now! He's picking up at least 1 Masters and a few 500's to sustain him and making it worth his while to be fodder for Nole and Rafa when they meet in majors! ;-)

True. It is only Novak who is stopping him at the moment. Imagine what might happen if Novak's level drops - Federer senses that no young person is rising up and taking responsibility, so he is waiting for Novak to fall now

 

[Elektra]

I've been saying that for a while! Unfortunately the 2nd tier of the tour have been gutless and been unable to force the old man into retirement! They give him comfort that he can hang on for a few more years! Players like Raonic and Nishikori can't stay on the court more than a few weeks before breaking down again! It's so sad to see true athletes with talent, but they're so frail, it's been a colossal waste of their time and ours cheering them on! Sooner or later Fed will hang it up, but being #2 or #3 gives him no reason to even think about it now! He's picking up at least 1 Masters and a few 500's to sustain him and making it worth his while to be fodder for Nole and Rafa when they meet in majors! ;-)

Exactly by Roger still staying in the game, the growth among young players is hindering. Tom Brady can still stay in the game cause NFL is healthy with young talent. Tennis though needs new stars to make the game healthy and cyclic. Having a 35 year old man still winning titles does not reflect well on the sport that is all about age. Tennis will be like boxing if they don't watch it. Boxing invested so much in Floyd Mayweather he is a 40 year man still in demand and most the youth can barley scratch the surface and boxing is a ghost of what it was.Today's young guns will become a complicaent generation and by the time Roger will be in retirment most of these guys probably would been at the age where they have 2-3 years left in the sport.

 

[Fiero425]

True. It is only Novak who is stopping him at the moment. Imagine what might happen if Novak's level drops - Federer senses that no young person is rising up and taking responsibility, so he is waiting for Novak to fall now

Nole's fall reflects something like '12 with 1 major, but still holding onto #1 ranking! No one's been this consistent; even Rafa in his ownership of the tour was fleeting and most of the time had him falling off the map in the fall and winter! Djokovic starts off well each season winning AO as a routine, has been hogging the early Masters in IW and Miami, and has owned the winter for the last few years with his personal tournament in China, winning it 6 times IIRC! He's not the GOAT as of yet, but he's writing chapters in the record book that will probably be acknowledged for decades to come! ;-)

 

[Krish872007]

Exactly by Roger still staying in the game, the growth among young players is hindering. Tom Brady can still stay in the game cause NFL is healthy with young talent. Tennis though needs new stars to make the game healthy and cyclic. They will become a complicaent generation and by the time Roger will be in retirment most of these guys probably would been past their prime.

Then these "young players" are simply not good enough. Had Federer/Nadal already retired, the tour would be complacent or defeatist anyway - the first step to even thinking about getting near the no. 1 spot is to take out the "Big 4 Guardians" like Ferrer and Berdych. Then slowly work their way up and replace Stan, Murray and old Nadal/old Federer in the rankings. At No. 2 in the world, then the chances of setting up big matches against Top Man Djokovic are higher - then they can think about dethroning him.
This could take some time to happen.

 

[Elektra]

Nole's fall reflects something like '12 with 1 major, but still holding onto #1 ranking! No one's been this consistent; even Rafa in his ownership of the tour was fleeting and most of the time had him falling off the map in the fall and winter! Djokovic starts off well each season winning AO as a routine, has been hogging the early Masters in IW and Miami, and has owned the winter for the last few years with his personal tournament in China, winning it 6 times IIRC! He's not the GOAT as of yet, but he's writing chapters in the record book that will probably be acknowledged for decades to come! ;-)

Novak is not the type of person who will not fall easily, he is on a mission.

 

[Elektra]

Then these "young players" are simply not good enough. Had Federer/Nadal already retired, the tour would be complacent or defeatist anyway - the first step to even thinking about getting near the no. 1 spot is to take out the "Big 4 Guardians" like Ferrer and Berdych. Then slowly work their way up and replace Stan, Murray and old Nadal/old Federer in the rankings. At No. 2 in the world, then the chances of setting up big matches against Top Man Djokovic are higher - then they can think about dethroning him.
This could take some time to happen.

I highly doubt that cause anytime one retires it creates opportunity and forces the underdogs to become better and understand on how to win. When Serena went through her slump in 2014, it created opportunity for young stars to break through and rise through the rankings.

 

[rossi46]

Definitely quite offensive to Stan though, and it was certainly intended to be.

It's not offensive to Stan at all. If anything Kyrgios (who is an immature idiot) offended Vekic. What is a 30 year old man with a daughter doing with a 19 year old ?? Stan is completely stupid, his tattoo alone confirms it. Great tennis player but that is where it ends.

Vekic is young and obviously silly as well. Feel for her parents more than anyone else.

 

[Krish872007]

I highly doubt that cause anytime one retires it creates opportunity and forces the underdogs to become better and understand on how to win. When Serena went through her slump in 2014, it created opportunity for young stars to break through and rise through the rankings.

I'm not sure I quite subscribe to that philosophy. After all, even on the women's tour we see that no-one has been able to permanently dislodge Serena. Sure she had a bad run in 2014, but now she's back in form she's suddenly won 3 Slams again. And promising players like Bouchard have not backed anything up.
Take Novak's case now. Novak even revealed that he considered leaving the sport or waiting for Fedal to retire (at the end of 2010), but then he knew that the key to his domination would be to tackle them head on and disrupt their duopoly at the top of the game. Even Federer and Hewitt started making Sampras' retirement preparations by beating him in the early 2000s.
Consistency is so important, yet so underrated - I wouldn't mind if someone like Dimitrov didn't win a Slam next year, but I would want to see them making at least 3 Slam Semifinals to prove to everyone that they can constantly give themselves chances to make an impact and to potentially win Slams.

 

[Fiero425]

I highly doubt that cause anytime one retires it creates opportunity and forces the underdogs to become better and understand on how to win. When Serena went through her slump in 2014, it created opportunity for young stars to break through and rise through the rankings.

The same thing is going on with the ladies' tour! Serena's not playing that well, but the other women have problems finishing her off! The Bencic in Canada the most impressive winning from behind! The rest of the stars have wimped out; esp. Sharapova & Aza who have failed so miserably against the old lady; even against Venus! It's so sad to see go on yr after yr; Serena being gifted matches when down for the count! Vinci finally did what the others should have been doing long before this past USO! ;-)

 

[ultradr]

Roddick is probably the best answer in tennis terms. He still wouldn't have the best movement or BH in the world, and he wouldn't have won say 10+ slams, but he could've shed that "one slam wonder" label that so many wrongly give him. Wimbledon 2004 and 2009 almost certainly go to Roddick, as well as USO 2006. Wimbledon 2005 I would give to Hewitt, and Wimbledon 2003 and AO 2007 are toss ups.

But the surface changed.2003 at Wimbledon and 2004 at US Open. It's bad luck for Roddick.
IMHO, Roddick could have been able to somehow squeak out a few wins if surfaces did not change.

I still have great respect for Roddick who tried his best again and again, despite conditions turning against him.
He tried to make his ground game more consistent, incorporating net games and so on.

 

[Elektra]

The same thing is going on with the ladies' tour! Serena's not playing that well, but the other women have problems finishing her off! The Bencic in Canada the most impressive winning from behind! The rest of the stars have wimped out; esp. Sharapova & Aza who have failed so miserably against the old lady; even against Venus! It's so sad to see go on yr after yr; Serena being gifted matches when down for the count! Vinci finally did what the others should have been doing long before this past USO! ;-)

In this case Novak is in his prime and clearly above everybody. Serena Williams even though she had an amazing year, did not play great or awesome tennis this year. I wonder if that is an indicator on the depth and skill of women's tennis is getting better or if Serena is starting to show the wear and tear of a 34 year veteran.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I've been saying that for a while! Unfortunately the 2nd tier of the tour have been gutless and been unable to force the old man into retirement! They give him comfort that he can hang on for a few more years! Players like Raonic and Nishikori can't stay on the court more than a few weeks before breaking down again! It's so sad to see true athletes with talent, but they're so frail, it's been a colossal waste of their time and ours cheering them on! Sooner or later Fed will hang it up, but being #2 or #3 gives him no reason to even think about it now! He's picking up at least 1 Masters and a few 500's to sustain him and making it worth his while to be fodder for Nole and Rafa when they meet in majors! ;-)

I hope younger generation pushes him out of top 10 soon so that we can finally have a Federer free era. He is good as long as he plays good but him being no2 at 34 is bad for tennis.