Who wins these hypothetical matchups between Young gen vs Fed's gen of players?

Entername

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This Laver Cup style battle with be the determinant. Fed is the leader of his own peers' squad while Djokodal are co-leaders of team young guys. If they played BO5 at each grand slam/chelem (Australian, French, Wimbledon and US Opens). Who wins each battle?

Medvedev vs Hewitt
Thiem vs Safin
Zverev vs Roddick
Stefanos vs Ferrero
Berrettini vs Nalbandian
Alcaraz vs Davydenko
Sinner vs Gonzalez
Ruud vs Ferrer
FAA vs Blake
Shapo vs Baghdatis
Kyrgios vs Philippoussis
Rublev vs Ljubicic
 
Krish0608

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Peak Hewitt >>> Peak Medvedev

Thiem and Safin is a tricky one. I hold Thiem in very high regard. He has an insane peak. Having said that, it's Safin. Safin edges it. Safin > Thiem

Rod >> Zed
Never thought much about Ferrero, He was solid, but didn't have any big weapons. Would fit right into this era lol.
Stef > Fererro (not by much though)
Nalbandian >>> Berrettini
I would like to say Alcaraz (when he hits peak) >> Davy. But as it stands Davy > Alcaraz
Gonzales > Sinner
Ferrer >> Ruud
FAA == Blake
Baghdatis >> Shapo
Scud >> Kyrgios
Rublev >> Ljubicic
 
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Krish0608 said:
Peak Hewitt >>> Peak Medvedev

Thiem and Safin is a tricky one. I hold Thiem in very high regard. He has an insane peak. Having said that, it's Safin. Safin edges it. Safin > Thiem

Rod >> Zed
Never thought much about Ferrero, He was solid, but didn't have any big weapons. Would fit right into this era lol.
Stef > Fererro (not by much though)
Nalbandian >>> Berrettini
I would like to say Alcaraz (when he hits peak) >> Davy. But as it stands Davy > Alcaraz
Gonzales > Sinner
Ferrer >> Ruud
FAA == Blake
Baghdatis >> Shapo
Scud >> Kyrgios
Rublev >> Ljubicic
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@NatF

Ferrero under threat :p
 
Entername

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Krish0608 said:
Peak Hewitt >>> Peak Medvedev

Thiem and Safin is a tricky one. I hold Thiem in very high regard. He has an insane peak. Having said that, it's Safin. Safin edges it. Safin > Thiem

Rod >> Zed
Never thought much about Ferrero, He was solid, but didn't have any big weapons. Would fit right into this era lol.
Stef > Fererro (not by much though)
Nalbandian >>> Berrettini
I would like to say Alcaraz (when he hits peak) >> Davy. But as it stands Davy > Alcaraz
Gonzales > Sinner
Ferrer >> Ruud
FAA == Blake
Baghdatis >> Shapo
Scud >> Kyrgios
Rublev >> Ljubicic
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I wanna see Kyrgios vs Scud. Both are big servers, both are Greek-Australians, and I heard they don't exactly get along great with one another.
 
Kralingen

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Entername said:
Fed's gen are the favourites on grass in nearly each matchup while on clay, I think next-gen actually have the edge in most cases. HCs it'll be tossup in some of these matchups
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Disagree totally

aside from Roddick-Zverev on clay I can’t see a single guaranteed win for NextGen on any surface

where do you see the wins coming from?

however the limiting factor of Fed’s gen is that most of them played at peak level for a cup of coffee and battled injury, motivation, weight gain, mental demons, etc. for most of their ‘prime’ so less consistent than NextGen.
 
Entername

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Kralingen said:
Disagree totally

aside from Roddick-Zverev on clay I can’t see a single guaranteed win for NextGen on any surface

where do you see the wins coming from?

however the limiting factor of Fed’s gen is that most of them played at peak level for a cup of coffee and battled injury, motivation, weight gain, mental demons, etc. for most of their ‘prime’ so less consistent than NextGen.
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On clay I can see Zverev beating Roddick, Thiem beating Safin, Steffy beating JCF, Carlitos beating Davy, Sinner beating Gonzo, and FAA beating Blake.

I think collectively speaking the next-gen actually have an edge on clay over Fed's gen collectively. It's the quicker courts like grass where next gen would be lucky to get one win vs Fed gen
 
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Let's ask another question. When their careers are over, which group will have have the greater accomplishments? Carlos and Medvedev will easily top the other group, I'm guessing. Sinner might do something. As it stands, the retired group is only +3 in slams. Considering they're retired, that's not much. lol
 
Kralingen

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Entername said:
On clay I can see Zverev beating Roddick, Thiem beating Safin, Steffy beating JCF, Carlitos beating Davy, Sinner beating Gonzo, and FAA beating Blake.
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Zverev is the only assured one as I said.

peak for peak:

Thiem doesn’t beat Safin on clay
Stef definitely doesn’t beat Ferrero on clay
Peak Carlos could possibly, but 22 Carlos doesn’t beat Davydenko on clay
Sinner doesn’t beat Gonzy on clay

Ok FAA probably beats Blake on clay and grass, ya got me there. So that’s 3 wins out of like 30.
 
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Kralingen said:
Zverev is the only assured one as I said.

peak for peak:

Thiem doesn’t beat Safin on clay
Stef definitely doesn’t beat Ferrero on clay
Peak Carlos could possibly, but 22 Carlos doesn’t beat Davydenko on clay
Sinner doesn’t beat Gonzy on clay

Ok FAA probably beats Blake on clay and grass, ya got me there. So that’s 3 wins out of like 30.
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Thiem goes 6-4 vs a Safin in a 10 match series at RG imo.
 
AnOctorokForDinner

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Medvedev vs Hewitt - "come on!" on every surface, lol (may be a mess on a mediocre day, but a win's a win)
Thiem vs Safin - Marat destroys on HC and even grass, Thiem takes clay
Zverev vs Roddick - Andick dominates grass, Saschko clay, hard can be tough but Doublefaultrev comes to the rescue always so Roddick takes it
Stefanos vs Ferrero - peak JCF was better on any surface although it may be close, too bad his prime was cut so short
Berrettini vs Nalbandian - Berrettini on grass, Nalbandian elsewhere although he can randomly flop on a silly day for sure
Alcaraz vs Davydenko - Karl is more talented but too young to compare yet, give him two years
Sinner vs Gonzalez - Gonzo clearly so far, Sinner needs to get fit and add power to compete
Ruud vs Ferrer - Daveed everywhere no contest, lol
FAA vs Blake - Foolix on clay and grass, close on HC though FAA should prove superior eventually
Shapo vs Baghdatis - unforcederrorbot isn't touching peakdatis if he keeps on like that, disgusting stuff as of late
Kyrgios vs Philippoussis - Scud everywhere, bigger balls & game, period
Rublev vs Ljubicic - Rublev on clay & grass but neither is relevant by any stretch. Ivan peaked a lot higher on HC even if he lacked consistency, an HC match is on Ljubicic's racquet
 
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AnOctorokForDinner said:
Medvedev vs Hewitt - "come on!" on every surface, lol (may be a mess on a mediocre day, but a win's a win)
Thiem vs Safin - Marat destroys on HC and even grass, Thiem takes clay
Zverev vs Roddick - Andick dominates grass, Saschko clay, hard can be tough but Doublefaultrev comes to the rescue always so Roddick takes it
Stefanos vs Ferrero - peak JCF was better on any surface although it may be close, too bad his prime was cut so short
Berrettini vs Nalbandian - Berrettini on grass, Nalbandian elsewhere although he can randomly flop on a silly day for sure
Alcaraz vs Davydenko - Karl is more talented but too young to compare yet, give him two years
Sinner vs Gonzalez - Gonzo clearly so far, Sinner needs to get fit and add power to compete
Ruud vs Ferrer - Daveed everywhere no contest, lol
FAA vs Blake - Foolix on clay and grass, close on HC though FAA should prove superior eventually
Shapo vs Baghdatis - unforcederrorbot isn't touching peakdatis if he keeps on like that, disgusting stuff as of late
Kyrgios vs Philippoussis - Scud everywhere, bigger balls & game, period
Rublev vs Ljubicic - Rublev on clay & grass but neither is relevant by any stretch. Ivan peaked a lot higher on HC even if he lacked consistency, an HC match is on Ljubicic's racquet
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Tsonga vs Roddick peak for peak 10 matches at each slam?
 
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this is pretty much a clean sweep for Fed’s gen except for maybe Ljubicic vs. Rublev.

Hewitt-Med comes somewhat close but Hewitt’s obvious superiority on clay and grass and his slight superiority on hard courts is just too much
 
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AnOctorokForDinner said:
Medvedev vs Hewitt - "come on!" on every surface, lol (may be a mess on a mediocre day, but a win's a win)
Thiem vs Safin - Marat destroys on HC and even grass, Thiem takes clay
Zverev vs Roddick - Andick dominates grass, Saschko clay, hard can be tough but Doublefaultrev comes to the rescue always so Roddick takes it
Stefanos vs Ferrero - peak JCF was better on any surface although it may be close, too bad his prime was cut so short
Berrettini vs Nalbandian - Berrettini on grass, Nalbandian elsewhere although he can randomly flop on a silly day for sure
Alcaraz vs Davydenko - Karl is more talented but too young to compare yet, give him two years
Sinner vs Gonzalez - Gonzo clearly so far, Sinner needs to get fit and add power to compete
Ruud vs Ferrer - Daveed everywhere no contest, lol
FAA vs Blake - Foolix on clay and grass, close on HC though FAA should prove superior eventually
Shapo vs Baghdatis - unforcederrorbot isn't touching peakdatis if he keeps on like that, disgusting stuff as of late
Kyrgios vs Philippoussis - Scud everywhere, bigger balls & game, period
Rublev vs Ljubicic - Rublev on clay & grass but neither is relevant by any stretch. Ivan peaked a lot higher on HC even if he lacked consistency, an HC match is on Ljubicic's racquet
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giving two wins to Next Gen is far too many
 
AnOctorokForDinner

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Standaa said:
giving too wins to Next Gen is far too many
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Blake and Ljubicic didn't exactly distinguish themselves in slams, is the problem (or off hard/carpet in general). Aliassime is more versatile and should definitely prove to be better than him if he keeps going. Rublev has demonstrated how limited his game is but Ljubicic was markedly unimpressive in slams, and did nothing on clay/grass too. Rublev hasn't been impressive either but I reckon still less unimpressive than Ljubicic in slams or on 'natural surfaces'. Non-slam HC Ljube takes it clearly, of course.
 
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Medvedev vs Hewitt - Hewitt at Wimbledon easily. Overall better player on clay (so far) so probably RG as well. On hard courts... I think they'd split meetings close to 50-50 but slightly in Lleyton's favor.
Thiem vs Safin - Thiem at RG obviously. Safin probably everywhere else. Don't see this being a great match-up for Thiem as he doesn't have the variety to throw Safin out of his rhythm and doesn't have the return to blunt the serve advantage.
Zverev vs Roddick - Zverev on clay, Roddick everywhere else, probably. Would be some epic serve-bot pusher stuff.
Stefanos vs Ferrero - Tough for Stef as his surface strengths basically mirror Ferroro's, only Ferrero is better. Maybe lean the Greek's way at AO. He's got two semis there and had that win over Federer (I know, I know).
Berrettini vs Nalbandian - Big Berr on grass, Nalby everywhere else. Sounds like a fun match-up for some reason. Fat Dave would be running Matteo ragged with backhands cross-court, then up-the-line, then cross-court...
Alcaraz vs Davydenko - Just based on this last Wimbledon, I'd say Alcaraz on grass. Davy hated the grass lol. Everywhere else... not enough data. I think in a couple years it'll be Alcaraz comfortably at all four slams, but right now he hasn't quite shown it.
Sinner vs Gonzalez - Hmm. Somewhat similar to Alcaraz – I don't think we've seen his best. Probably will end up comfortably ahead on grass. Gonzales in AO 07 form would win almost certainly, but Sinner will likely be a much more consistent top-level player at all four slams.
Ruud vs Ferrer - I would under no circumstances watch any match between these two players.
FAA vs Blake - FAA at RG and Wimby pretty easily. Hard court is closer, depends on who's firing on the day – FAA's serve vs. Blake's forehand.
Shapo vs Baghdatis – Lol. Total crapshoot. Both of these guys are all over the map. Could be either one of them by any scoreline depending on which side of their respective beds they get out of that morning.
Kyrgios vs Philippoussis - Philip at the US Open comfortably, based on his 98 run to the final. Wimby would be a serve-bot shoot-out (but a fun one). RG they wouldn't ever meet unless they drew each other in the first round. Australia's basically a toss-up as well. Both probably underachieved at their home slam.
Rublev vs Ljubicic - Hmm. I'd lean Rublev most places, but Ljuby snagging a win on a given day wouldn't be shocking by any means.
 
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Entername

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Third Serve said:
this is pretty much a clean sweep for Fed’s gen except for maybe Ljubicic vs. Rublev.

Hewitt-Med comes somewhat close but Hewitt’s obvious superiority on clay and grass and his slight superiority on hard courts is just too much
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Not so sure tbh I think some of these matchups might be closer than you think.

Medvedev vs Hewitt - Hewitt on natural surfaces, Med on HCs

Thiem vs Safin - yeah Safin is better anywhere off clay. Tim is more consistent but Safin's peak is godly

Zverev vs Roddick - Roddick on grass, Zed on clay, 50/50 on HCs

Stefanos vs Ferrero - Ferrero slightly better on grass and clay, but Steffy is probably better on HCs

Berrettini vs Nalbandian - Berry on grass, Nalby on clay, and 50/50 on HCs (Nalby underachieved in BO5 HCs)

Alcaraz vs Davydenko - I think Carlos is clearly a better player than Davy

Sinner vs Gonzalez - I think Gonzo has the advantage in this case except on grass

Ruud vs Ferrer - Ferrer is clearly superior everywhere

FAA vs Blake - I think Felix has an equally slight edge on each surface

Shapo vs Baghdatis - this one is gonna be a slug-fest

Kyrgios vs Philippoussis - 50/50 although this would be a grudge match for both players

Rublev vs Ljubicic - Rublev slightly better on each surface but not by a lot
 
AnOctorokForDinner

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Entername said:
Not so sure tbh I think some of these matchups might be closer than you think.

Medvedev vs Hewitt - Hewitt on natural surfaces, Med on HCs

Thiem vs Safin - yeah Safin is better anywhere off clay. Tim is more consistent but Safin's peak is godly

Zverev vs Roddick - Roddick on grass, Zed on clay, 50/50 on HCs

Stefanos vs Ferrero - Ferrero slightly better on grass and clay, but Steffy is probably better on HCs

Berrettini vs Nalbandian - Berry on grass, Nalby on clay, and 50/50 on HCs (Nalby underachieved in BO5 HCs)

Alcaraz vs Davydenko - I think Carlos is clearly a better player than Davy

Sinner vs Gonzalez - I think Gonzo has the advantage in this case except on grass

Ruud vs Ferrer - Ferrer is clearly superior everywhere

FAA vs Blake - I think Felix has an equally slight edge on each surface

Shapo vs Baghdatis - this one is gonna be a slug-fest

Kyrgios vs Philippoussis - 50/50 although this would be a grudge match for both players

Rublev vs Ljubicic - Rublev slightly better on each surface but not by a lot
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way too much credit for 90s gens' clumsy games
 
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Entername said:
Medvedev vs Hewitt
Thiem vs Safin
Zverev vs Roddick
Stefanos vs Ferrero
Berrettini vs Nalbandian
Alcaraz vs Davydenko
Sinner vs Gonzalez
Ruud vs Ferrer
FAA vs Blake
Shapo vs Baghdatis
Kyrgios vs Philippoussis
Rublev vs Ljubicic
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Hewitt
Safin
Zverev
Ferrero
Nalbandian
Davydenko
Gonzalez
Ferrer
FAA
Shapo
Kyrgios
Rublev
 
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Krish0608 said:
Peak Hewitt >>> Peak Medvedev

Thiem and Safin is a tricky one. I hold Thiem in very high regard. He has an insane peak. Having said that, it's Safin. Safin edges it. Safin > Thiem

Rod >> Zed
Never thought much about Ferrero, He was solid, but didn't have any big weapons. Would fit right into this era lol.
Stef > Fererro (not by much though)
Nalbandian >>> Berrettini
I would like to say Alcaraz (when he hits peak) >> Davy. But as it stands Davy > Alcaraz
Gonzales > Sinner
Ferrer >> Ruud
FAA == Blake
Baghdatis >> Shapo
Scud >> Kyrgios
Rublev >> Ljubicic
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Fererro had an excellent forehand, it was a weapon. At the same time he was fast and could defend well, plus he did not have any major weaknesses. He wins against Tsitsipas.
 
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Medvedev would destroy Hewitt on HC, Danya even destroys a declined Djokovic, but who is still far superior than peak Lleyton and also can serve.
However, I agree with the rest, Fed Gen is better than Next Gen by a lot.
 
Marco Rotim

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Entername said:
Berrettini vs Nalbandian - Berry on grass, Nalby on clay, and 50/50 on HCs (Nalby underachieved in BO5 HCs)

Alcaraz vs Davydenko - I think Carlos is clearly a better player than Davy
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Nalbandian is better than Berretini everywhere outside Grass.

Davydenko is better than Alcaraz everywhere as of now, maybe on grass Alcaraz but he is still a baby with no real achievements even against a declined big 3 while Davydenko has a winning H2H against peak Rafael Nadal.
 
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I reckon Alcatraz might have a shot. All the other ones are losing, they'll be on their Tiktoks before they knew what hit em
 
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I think it's pretty universally acknowledged that all of the Djokodal gen players are more consistently playing a high level and making deep stages of slams over time than Federer's gang.
 
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Russeljones said:
But Djokovic couldn't destroy post-prime Roddick? Makes sense.
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Surely as someone who values the ruthlessly logical Thrawn you see that this example makes no sense. By this logic, Federer is inferior to Hrbaty.
 
socallefty

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So, all the Fedfans say the guys from his generation are better and the Novak stans pick the younger players. Yawn!
 
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Kralingen said:
Zverev is the only assured one as I said.

peak for peak:

Thiem doesn’t beat Safin on clay
Stef definitely doesn’t beat Ferrero on clay
Peak Carlos could possibly, but 22 Carlos doesn’t beat Davydenko on clay
Sinner doesn’t beat Gonzy on clay

Ok FAA probably beats Blake on clay and grass, ya got me there. So that’s 3 wins out of like 30.
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You are seriously overrating the old gen.

The new gen will inevitably end up with more accomplishments and I find them more consistent than the old gen who peaked for just 2-3 years and then completely faded away.

But as of now, old gen > new gen but with time, it could be more even stevens.
 
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Kralingen

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bro...
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LawnTennisGod said:
You are seriously overrating the old gen.

The new gen will inevitably end up with more accomplishments and I find them more consistent than the old gen who peaked for just 2-3 years and then completely faded away.
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I was discussing peak, best level shown over tournament/Slam

but honestly, even looking at a wider set of matches it doesn’t look good for NextGen. I mean it can’t be understated how poor they have been. Tsitsipas, Zverev, Shapo, basically everyone except Med Thiem and Berrettini are inconsistent AF as well. It’s exceptionally hard to be flakier and less consistent than Fed’s Gen, the most injury cursed and mentally fragile Gen ever, and yet NextGen are coming close to doing it, with lower peaks to boot.

And just because they’ll accomplish more in the long term doesn’t mean much, Fed’s Gen followed up ‘04-07 with an even stronger era in ‘08-11 and easily the strongest year since the 90s in 2012. Put the aged NextGen there and I can guarantee you they don’t win ****, and in all actuality they might not even make one single Slam final.
 
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Russeljones said:
5 losses to post-prime Roddick is reason to believe peak Roddick has a good chance against Zverev no?
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I think Roddick beats Zverev everywhere outside Clay.

However, this is a complicated comparison across eras, not just generations, so we cannot use Djokovic as a middle ground for connecting both, that would be pointless.

Zverev is 15 years younger to Roddick which is the age difference between Sampras and Rafael Nadal.
 
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Entername said:
This Laver Cup style battle with be the determinant. Fed is the leader of his own peers' squad while Djokodal are co-leaders of team young guys. If they played BO5 at each grand slam/chelem (Australian, French, Wimbledon and US Opens). Who wins each battle?

Medvedev vs Hewitt
Thiem vs Safin
Zverev vs Roddick
Stefanos vs Ferrero
Berrettini vs Nalbandian
Alcaraz vs Davydenko
Sinner vs Gonzalez
Ruud vs Ferrer
FAA vs Blake
Shapo vs Baghdatis
Kyrgios vs Philippoussis
Rublev vs Ljubicic
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Medvedev
Thiem on clay, Safin elsewhere
Roddick
Tsitsipas
Nakbandian
Alcaraz
Sinner
Ferrer
FAA
Shaps
Kyrgios
Ljub
 
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Russeljones said:
You mean 2 months before Roddick retired from tennis? Some feat that.
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He was 29...he only retired because, in his words "game was a little different to what he was used to. These guys are from another planet. That one match (vs Novak) hit home for me...the way he played was eye-opening"
 
Russeljones

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Marco Rotim said:
I think Roddick beats Zverev everywhere outside Clay.

However, this is a complicated comparison across eras, not just generations, so we cannot use Djokovic as a middle ground for connecting both, that would be pointless.

Zverev is 15 years younger to Roddick which is the age difference between Sampras and Rafael Nadal.
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We are using Djokovic as a reminder that Roddick was an able player. The fact that we need to do this here is embarrassing.
 
Russeljones

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pj80 said:
He was 29...he only retired because, in his words "game was a little different to what he was used to. These guys are from another planet. That one match (vs Novak) hit home for me...the way he played was eye-opening"
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Aaah, so people retiring is irrelevant to their form. I get you.
 
Marco Rotim

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Russeljones said:
We are using Djokovic as a reminder that Roddick was an able player. The fact that we need to do this here is embarrassing.
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Sadly 50% of the active crowd in the forum have not seen Roddick's or Safin's or Hewitt's peak years, so it will be hard to convince them that they were able players when someone like Murray or Wawrinka have more slams. Plus people also tend to develop some sort of a grudge towards Federer if they happened to follow Tennis only from the 2010s, the image of Roger in their minds is that of a man who is chasing their favorites and losing, so it becomes easier to buy the weak era narratives as well, also a typical fanatic of a young player could also feel angry on the old man for not retiring.
 
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